AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce, Wynarka, Bones of a Child Discovered, July'15 - #3

[Deleted member 102539]

Just having a guess here but on the fire/burning theory....

http://www.realestate.com.au/property-residential+land-sa-karoonda-200871947

part of the description "The original home was burnt down"

Google Maps shows an image of the burnt house in 2008 but there are no earlier images.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-35.097246,139.892353,3a,75y,154.74h,85.34t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sekGGEkmjHq5IFo_h6ewAWw!2e0!5s20080501T000000!7i3328!8i1664!6m1!1e1

Didn't SAPOL say that the remains could have been from as early as 2007?

I am probably wrong but is it worth thinking about?

A black tutu and a purple top dating back to 2007, believed to be the time when she was murdered, were found inside the case, along with a homemade quilt.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/madeleine-...culation-dead-child-found-wynarka-her-1512791

Your links show No. 10 and No. 11 on Old Adelaide Road?

 

[Karma5012]

From SA Police News 27/7/15

What police know about the child:
• Believed to be a girl
• Aged 2.5-4 years at time of death
• Likely Caucasian
• Had fair hair, 18cm long
• Was 90-95cm tall
• Was killed at another location
• Was killed some time since the start of 2007

I know my links show No.10 and No.11 but if you check google maps map view, you will see there is no No.11, so I'm guessing it's just an error either with google maps or the real estate agent

 

[DutchTreat]

Just having a guess here but on the fire/burning theory....

http://www.realestate.com.au/property-residential+land-sa-karoonda-200871947

part of the description "The original home was burnt down"

Google Maps shows an image of the burnt house in 2008 but there are no earlier images.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-35.097246,139.892353,3a,75y,154.74h,85.34t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sekGGEkmjHq5IFo_h6ewAWw!2e0!5s2 0080501T000000!7i3328!8i1664!6m1!1e1

Didn't SAPOL say that the remains could have been from as early as 2007?

I am probably wrong but is it worth thinking about?

It's weird isn't. House burned down around 2008? And now it's up for sale.
Would be interesting to know who lived there and where they went. Doesn't even mean who ever lived there had something to do with it. But it could have been a place where someone hid something, and now that it's up for sale, to collect whatever was hidden there.

[video=youtube;yGQhXVyfACE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGQhXVyfACE[/video]
listen to this from 11.00 onwards. The police believe that most of the decomposition occurred outside of the suitcase at another location!

So someone could have gone to that place (or somewhere in/around Wynarka) to collect the remains and put them in a suitcase.

 

[DutchTreat]

Would it be important if a witness mentioned in the media....a local Wynarka...local.... had a daughter who shows some interest in "Holden"????

Do you have a link for this? Did a witness actually say this?

 

[Karma5012]

It's weird isn't. House burned down around 2008? And now it's up for sale.
Would be interesting to know who lived there and where they went. Doesn't even mean who ever lived there had something to do with it. But it could have been a place where someone hid something, and now that it's up for sale, to collect whatever was hidden there.

[video=youtube;yGQhXVyfACE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGQhXVyfACE[/video]
listen to this from 11.00 onwards. The police believe that most of the decomposition occurred outside of the suitcase at another location!

So someone could have gone to that place (or somewhere in/around Wynarka) to collect the remains and put them in a suitcase.

I was thinking that the clothing may have come from here, not the remains. Not unusual to have old clothes in a suitcase stored in a shed, or possibly the house has been ransacked over the years and the clothes came from inside the house, or maybe the house was the scene of the crime?. It would be interesting to find out if the house fire was arson or not but I haven't been able to find anymore info in regards to the fire.

 

[DutchTreat]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-South-Australia-motorist-noticed-road.html

In this article it says the women that saw the guy with the suitcase did not see him at the location where the remains were found and they also don't know if this guy was picked up by a car or where he went. So in fact this older man with the suitcase might just a well have nothing to do with the whole thing.

 

[DutchTreat]

I was thinking that the clothing may have come from here, not the remains. Not unusual to have old clothes in a suitcase stored in a shed, or possibly the house has been ransacked over the years and the clothes came from inside the house, or maybe the house was the scene of the crime?. It would be interesting to find out if the house fire was arson or not but I haven't been able to find anymore info in regards to the fire.

If there was decomposition from the body on the clothing, I gues the clothes must have been with the body shortly after she died?
But regardless the timeline of the burnt house and it being sold now is odd. The video doesn't mention anything about a fire (closeby) does it?

I also don't understand how the police is convinced that person who brought the suitcase to the place where the remains were found, is not also the person who emptied the suitcase in the bushes?

 

[confuzzled]

Apologies if this has already been covered, I have only skimmed through all the threads.

Has Rahma elDannaoui been eliminated as a possibility? I have seen WT and MM mentioned a lot but not Rahma.

I've sat here for over an hour scouring through online pictures of her family etc to see if I can find anything patchwork in the background of the pics etc that could link her.

TBH I am amazed that there has been no real mention of her in the mainstream media etc - its been "Is it WT?" or "Is it MM?" right from the start.

Missing toddler 'upset'
By Edmund Tadros
November 10, 2005 - 5:00PM

Police will keep searching for missing Sydney toddler Rahma el-Dennaoui until nightfall, as her parents and seven siblings are moved to alternative accommodation.

A picture of the 19-month-old has just been released but police caution that photos of her are scarce and this one was taken 10 months ago.

The little girl now has blonde, shoulder length hair and is between 80 and 100 centimetres tall.

http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/elDennaoui.htm

Apologies if external links aren't allowed, I am still getting into the swing of things here.

 

[stormyseas]

This is an interesting coincidence... A police road safety operation focusing on organised crime and drugs took place near Tailem Bend around the time we have been told the suitcase was likely dumped. If a truck driver was pre-warned by other drivers before arriving at the weighing station (and potentially having the suitcase searched), he could have made a turn off and ended up near Wynarka. This would explain the suitcase hanging in the bushes (ie. being thrown from a truck)?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-...-truck-driver-drugs-road-safety-blitz/6481702

 

[KatKat]

I think that's because of the blonde hair...

 

[tiredblondy]

Apologies if this has already been covered, I have only skimmed through all the threads.

Has Rahma elDannaoui been eliminated as a possibility? I have seen WT and MM mentioned a lot but not Rahma.

I've sat here for over an hour scouring through online pictures of her family etc to see if I can find anything patchwork in the background of the pics etc that could link her.

TBH I am amazed that there has been no real mention of her in the mainstream media etc - its been "Is it WT?" or "Is it MM?" right from the start.



http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/elDennaoui.htm

Apologies if external links aren't allowed, I am still getting into the swing of things here.

There was an article on her April 27th in the Daily Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-believe-close-finding-took-little-girl.html

:welcome5::welcome6::welcome4:

 

[Eloise]

I always thought that little girl was sold on via extended family, and is probably in Lebanon.

By that I mean, of all the possible options, that is what I would put my money on.

 

[Amee]

SAPOL

Police are still appealing to a man seen in the area about six to eight weeks ago with a dark suitcase to come forward. They have confirmed sightings of him with a suitcase near Karoonda on both 13 April and May 26.

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-pol...d-key-to-wynarka-childs-identity#.VbrKtLVLOY4

Calls to Crime Stoppers have revealed the man was also seen on the highway walking with a suitcase west of Wynarka heading towards Murray Bridge.

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-pol...-police-investigate-child-murder#.VbrLdLVLOY4

 

[Morrisa]

JUST IN: Major Crime forensic work on #Wynarka bones case, confirms that the remains are those of a girl. #7NewsAdl

 

[Amee]

An additional five staff have been assigned to Task Force Mallee

The officer in charge of the Major Crime Investigation Branch, Detective Superintendent Des Bray said lines of inquiry are also being issued to detectives across the state on a daily basis.

Taskforce Mallee was established in the wake of the discovery with 15 police officers initially assigned to the investigation, along with a significant forensic response.
To date 550 reports have been made to Crime Stoppers in connection with the case, and 53 children have been eliminated by investigators as potential victims.


https://www.facebook.com/sapolicene...1740356569982/903058603104816/?type=1&theater

 

[curious one]

3. The picture (photograph taken late 1999) shows a wood and corrugated galvanized iron house situated at 10 Old Adelaide Road, Karoonda, and which was used as the Karoonda police station. Well known member of the South Australia Police, Eric Langdon (E.L) Bonython, later to become the Country Superintendent, was transferred from Bern to Karoonda as officer in charge with the rank of Mounted Constable on 28/8/1 926. In correspondence to the S.A. Police Historical Society he stated that on transfer from Berri to Karoonda he found that there were no quarters for a married man, and that he had to send his wife to Adelaide, while he boarded at Karoonda, 'under very trying circumstances.’

http://www.sapolicehistory.org/april02.html

 

[Ponyo]

Apologies if this has already been covered, I have only skimmed through all the threads.

Has Rahma elDannaoui been eliminated as a possibility? I have seen WT and MM mentioned a lot but not Rahma.

I've sat here for over an hour scouring through online pictures of her family etc to see if I can find anything patchwork in the background of the pics etc that could link her.

TBH I am amazed that there has been no real mention of her in the mainstream media etc - its been "Is it WT?" or "Is it MM?" right from the start.



http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/elDennaoui.htm

Apologies if external links aren't allowed, I am still getting into the swing of things here.

reading that link, this line jumped out at me regarding the Barbie pyjamas - wasn't there a label that looked like Barbie brand on one of the photos of the clothes from the suitcase? Sorry couldn't find link to that picture:

Quote from page linked: A Polair helicopter, dog squad officers, the Vikings Unit, State Crime Command, and the SES are among those called in to search for Rahma, who was wearing pink satin Barbie pyjamas.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Police boost efforts over Wynarka bones child murder mystery

Police in South Australian have deployed more officers to attempt to uncover how the bones of a small girl came to be dumped in a suitcase on an outback highway.

Investigators have also revealed that forensic tests have finally confirmed that the bones were those of a little girl.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/a/2914...orts-over-wynarka-bones-child-murder-mystery/

 

[Kyja]

I think the description of this little girl having fair hair rules Rahma out as a possible match.

 

[AtaraMalka]

Hello Folks,

I have been following this thread for a few days now, being mother to a small child myself and therefore concerned and moved by current developments in Australia. I am originally from Britain and join you today from NY where I currently live. I have never been to Australia, and defer to those of you with local knowledge - for which there is no substitute in a case like this. (Please correct or advise me if anything I am saying doesn't make sense down under!)

Anyway, I just wanted to add a thought about suitcase man. Listening to Inspector Bray's comments at the press conference (p.5 of this thread), I noted that he makes reference to a witness having told police that he spotted and subsequently moved the suitcase in March of this year - weeks before the first sighting of suitcase man, which was not until April 13th.

If, then, suitcase man had indeed been the person to deposit the suitcase there to begin with, he must have made at least three trips to the area. Doesn't that sound a bit far fetched? Why would he make himself vulnerable to identification/ association with the suitcase so many times?