Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #4

[Melt71]

I am a Caucasian person living in a city with a huge percentage of Asians. We have Asian stores. I would say, the trend is to target absolutely all ethnic groups.

I also am a Caucasian person living in a large Australian city with a big Asian population. My spouse is SE Asian. The big SE Asian supermarkets my spouse and I shop at serve very few Caucasians. They are in cheap rental areas which are not full of other shops that people frequent. There's little passing foot traffic. They are stacked to the gills with lovely ingredients - like bags of dried mushrooms of different varietys - that we can't get anywhere else, but that many Australians, including me, wouldn't recognise.

The Asian shop in our suburban shopping mall, though, is full of Caucasians and clearly markets at all ethnic groups. Not many lovely exotic ingredients there, just your stock standard soy sauce and frozen dumplings.

 

[Salah11]

I wonder if there’s any public health or medical journals that report genetic resistance to Mushroom toxicity.

Like some sort of gene that I’d you have that particular genetic or DNA mutation, the Death Cap mushroom poison will not affect you.

Just an idea. IMO

Does it not attack and kill your liver so I don’t see how anybody could have a immunity to something so toxic?

 

[Kemug]

Re EP having taken the dehydrator to the tip the morning of the lunch - I must say I am lost in admiration for any hostess who is capable of this! My occasional entertaining-at-home ventures tend to be rather stressful events for me - cleaning and tidying the house, setting the table, and cooking the meal, while at the same time trying to change into a suitable outfit, tidy my hair, etc etc before my guests arrive is the most I hope to achieve. Adding a drive to anywhere in the middle of all that is simply beyond me.

 

[Salah11]

Re EP having taken the dehydrator to the tip the morning of the lunch - I must say I am lost in admiration for any hostess who is capable of this! My occasional entertaining-at-home ventures tend to be rather stressful events for me - cleaning and tidying the house, setting the table, and cooking the meal, while at the same time trying to change into a suitable outfit, tidy my hair, etc etc before my guests arrive is the most I hope to achieve. Adding a drive to anywhere in the middle of all that is simply beyond me.

Not only that one of the most complicated meals to make in the world. She was also apparently not a good cook according to her Facebook friends which Daily Mail managed to get into.

'She shared a few cooking photos with us in the group. Pad Thai. Etc. Honestly (not being mean) but it never looked super appetising. If I was to guess, I would say she was a mediocre cook,' the person claimed

Mushroom chef's Facebook messages leak

Mushroom chef Erin Patterson lashed out at her local community while putting together the local newspaper, an insider has revealed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

These stores call themselves Asian Markets here.

These are a couple of examples from Mount Waverley, where EP says she bought the dried mushrooms. But it is the same in the city that I live in, in another state.

LionCity Asian Grocery, Mount Waverley
TK Asian Supermarket in Mount Waverley
Coomart Asian Supermarket in Mount Waverley
Google link

Occasionally we will see a specifically Japanese market or Korean market, for example, but many/most generically call themselves an Asian market. We understand they specialise in bok choy, lemongrass, hoisin sauce, etc.

Ah OK, I didn't know that.

 

[Neet_Mc]

100 percent.

IMO the epidemiology (public health aspect of the case) speaks for itself.

There is no outbreak. Just a cluster of suspected mushroom deaths confined to one household of guests.

IMO

A household where only the visitors, who were the In-laws of a broken-down relationship, were affected.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I also am a Caucasian person living in a large Australian city with a big Asian population. My spouse is SE Asian. The big SE Asian supermarkets my spouse and I shop at serve very few Caucasians. They are in cheap rental areas which are not full of other shops that people frequent. There's little passing foot traffic. They are stacked to the gills with lovely ingredients - like bags of dried mushrooms of different varietys - that we can't get anywhere else, but that many Australians, including me, wouldn't recognise.

The Asian shop in our suburban shopping mall, though, is full of Caucasians and clearly markets at all ethnic groups. Not many lovely exotic ingredients there, just your stock standard soy sauce and frozen dumplings.

Your description gives more support to it being unlikely she completely forgot. If everything was so “foreign” or different a person would more likely remember the outing and choice selection, right? Unlikely package just said “Dry Mushroom” and she selected without any thought to variety, taste, use, color, size …

 

[Neet_Mc]

Re EP having taken the dehydrator to the tip the morning of the lunch - I must say I am lost in admiration for any hostess who is capable of this! My occasional entertaining-at-home ventures tend to be rather stressful events for me - cleaning and tidying the house, setting the table, and cooking the meal, while at the same time trying to change into a suitable outfit, tidy my hair, etc etc before my guests arrive is the most I hope to achieve. Adding a drive to anywhere in the middle of all that is simply beyond me.

Agreed. It came up in the discussion on the 60minutes (?) program, implying she had visitors the tip on the Saturday.

 

[Ellery84]

A household where only the visitors, who were the In-laws of a broken-down relationship, were affected.

Yes that’s what I mean. There’s no mushroom poisoning outbreak, no one else in the town got sick, it’s just the visitors.

 

[Ellery84]

Does it not attack and kill your liver so I don’t see how anybody could have a immunity to something so toxic?

Of course not, I was actually just trying to think of reasons why Erin didn’t get sick from eating the same meal as her guests.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Of course not, I was actually just trying to think of reasons why Erin didn’t get sick from eating the same meal as her guests.

also what if she actually did get genuinely somewhat sick - we don't know the true facts of the hospital experience yet as nothing is verified. What if all their reports are completely in alignment with the same symptoms of poisoning the others had? and her liver function was highly abnormal but they restored her to health..?

I mean, probably *not* but we don't know that

 

[Salah11]

also what if she actually did get genuinely somewhat sick - we don't know the true facts of the hospital experience yet as nothing is verified. What if all their reports are completely in alignment with the same symptoms of poisoning the others had? and her liver function was highly abnormal but they restored her to health..?

I mean, probably *not* but we don't know that

Well she was in and out of hospital pretty quickly so it doesn’t point to the same serious prognosis as her dinner guests imo

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Well she was in and out of hospital pretty quickly so it doesn’t point to the same serious prognosis as her dinner guests imo

Well indeed but I wish we had some verified facts in all this case. We were told LE were waiting on toxicology but really how long would it take?

Also, just a random curiosity but wonder what EP is doing all day? Without her children and her usual routine and also in the face of this allegation that is known globally... a strange and unusual situation to be in.

 

[ch_13]

also what if she actually did get genuinely somewhat sick - we don't know the true facts of the hospital experience yet as nothing is verified. What if all their reports are completely in alignment with the same symptoms of poisoning the others had? and her liver function was highly abnormal but they restored her to health..?

I mean, probably *not* but we don't know that

The police don't seem to think she was sick. At the press conference that was held the detective specifically said that "she hasn't presented with...any symptoms". (@5:44)

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

The police don't seem to think she was sick. At the press conference that was held the detective specifically said that "she hasn't presented with...any symptoms". (@5:44)

In this case, perhaps EP never did state to any medic that she had any symptoms but simply attended in order to be checked over in light of the severity of others' suffering? I would have assumed she'd have had bloods, urine, and stool samples taken but it would have had to be voluntary at that point.

 

[Salah11]

The police don't seem to think she was sick. At the press conference that was held the detective specifically said that "she hasn't presented with...any symptoms". (@5:44)

thank you so much for this and it’s the same way she told the story of her kids being at the cinema at lunch but the cops believe they were at home.

So another Lie to add to her growing list of lies imo

 

[ch_13]

In this case, perhaps EP never did state to any medic that she had any symptoms but simply attended in order to be checked over in light of the severity of others' suffering? I would have assumed she'd have had bloods, urine, and stool samples taken but it would have had to be voluntary at that point.

Except in the statement that was leaked to the press, she did claim she had symptoms.

Ms Patterson said it had not been previously reported that she was also hospitalised after the lunch with bad stomach pains and diarrhoea, and was put on a saline drip and given a "liver protective drug".

Make of that what you will.

 

[DeDee]

It’s all so confusing!

I actually thought/assumed the dehydrator was tipped the Saturday after the meal.

Saturday 29th July - meal
Friday 4th August - Gail and Heather pass away
Saturday 5th August - Don passes

I had assumed that with EP saying she dumped it after her husband had said ‘is that what you used to poison them’ whilst they were visiting in hospital … that this meant she dumped it Saturday 5th August.

Question now is, has someone got mixed up and reported the wrong Saturday or has EP provided another porky pie?

If the latter, I’d advise not to eat it. MOO

Found this from Sky News but which MSM can we trust for accuracy?

AUG 14
The 48-year-old also addressed reports about the discovery of a food hydrator discarded in a tip on the day after the lunch was served.
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/woman-at-centre-of-leongatha-mushroom-poisoning-deaths-erin-patterson-breaks-silence-and-admits-lying-to-police-about-food-dehydrator/news-story/ba8c43d0d9bcd3f641833c34282bc83c

 

[mirage1]

I'm not sure why some people are unaware of the basic and critical facts like when she dumped the dehydrator. Its literally in her own statement.

Ms Patterson said she was at the hospital with her children "discussing the food dehydrator" when her ex-husband, the son of the dead couple, asked: "Is that what you used to poison them?"

Worried that she might lose custody of the couple's children, Ms Patterson said she then panicked and dumped the dehydrator at the tip.

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm not sure why some people are unaware of the basic and critical facts like when she dumped the dehydrator. Its literally in her own statement.

EP: told them (police) she dumped it there a 'long time ago'
EP: revealed she did so after her guests fell ill Link

PI on Under Investigation show: She's decided to go to the tip in Koonwarra [the tip closest to her house], and on speaking with the workers there, interestingly, without saying when did she come or anything like that, one of them stated to us that "I don't know because I wasn't working Saturday morning". Link

Lunch was on the Saturday, presumably in the middle of the day.
So there is a question of when the dehydrator was actually dumped.
But there is CCTV at the rubbish dump, so the police will know.