Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #10

[Nads]

OK. Apologies for suspecting you're a KB clone. Can understand your taking objection to that

As I've said, the mass media is what it is. At the same time, it's behaved quite well throughout this case. The mistakes have been few and understandable. For example, I doubt even investigators have managed to get a straight answer out of GBC regarding when he last saw Allison

Following on from that, I believe law enforcement gave the nod to the piece causing so much controversy today, re: TM and the extra-marital involvement

That affair/involvement has been described as a 'focus of investigation' and that's no surprise to us, is it, considering we've long believed TM to be the individual whom investigators have spent many hours questioning

Actions have consequences, as so many have said in this forum before. Not only for us, but for those associated with, related to us

When police are investigating various crimes, it's not unusual for the media to report those involved. What's so different about today's headlines?

Of course the media wishes to turn a profit. And of course, 'news' (sometimes not worthy of that label) is what is used to turn a profit (although, actually, it's the advertising which makes the profit). There's nothing wrong with making a profit from your endeavours

However, largely speaking in this particular case, the media has been restrained in its reporting and has shied away most often from lurid sensationalism

So no. I don't believe today's report about TM and her affair with GBC was concocted merely for profit. Instead, I believe the mass media has kept a lid on this story for weeks and lost profit because of doing so at the behest of investigators

Today's news reveals that the affair between TM and GBC was commonly known by many - by other staff and by extension, surely, by many of the friends, families and associates of those staff members. Also, the gossip would have spread throughout the real-estate industry as former employees of GBC departed his employ and took up work elsewhere

Yet the media kept a lid on it until given the ok by investigators, imo. So let's give the media some credit for a change because in this instance at least, they deserve some (imo again)

It's not salacious rumour. Not chinese whispers. The relationship and the identities of those involved are a focus of the investigation into a woman's murder. And that murder is why we're all here

Exactly all my thoughts without me having to type them!

It was obvious the media knew almost from the get-go about the affair. There was never any focus on sympathy for the husband, just sympathy for the Dickies and the kids. Even Madonna King's questions were very tame.

And they behaved well. There was never any innuendo about the co-worker who was questioned. When I secretly wanted there to be! There was never too much made about the accident. They never have even said GBC was a suspect or POI. The media has been much better behaved than could have been expected. I thought it was either out of respect for police requests or fear of legal reprisals from the big legal kahunas.

 

[Paradox11]

OK. Apologies for suspecting you're a KB clone. Can understand your taking objection to that

As I've said, the mass media is what it is. At the same time, it's behaved quite well throughout this case. The mistakes have been few and understandable. For example, I doubt even investigators have managed to get a straight answer out of GBC regarding when he last saw Allison

Following on from that, I believe law enforcement gave the nod to the piece causing so much controversy today, re: TM and the extra-marital involvement

That affair/involvement has been described as a 'focus of investigation' and that's no surprise to us, is it, considering we've long believed TM to be the individual whom investigators have spent many hours questioning

Actions have consequences, as so many have said in this forum before. Not only for us, but for those associated with, related to us

When police are investigating various crimes, it's not unusual for the media to report those involved. What's so different about today's headlines?

Of course the media wishes to turn a profit. And of course, 'news' (sometimes not worthy of that label) is what is used to turn a profit (although, actually, it's the advertising which makes the profit). There's nothing wrong with making a profit from your endeavours

However, largely speaking in this particular case, the media has been restrained in its reporting and has shied away most often from lurid sensationalism

So no. I don't believe today's report about TM and her affair with GBC was concocted merely for profit. Instead, I believe the mass media has kept a lid on this story for weeks and lost profit because of doing so at the behest of investigators

Today's news reveals that the affair between TM and GBC was commonly known by many - by other staff and by extension, surely, by many of the friends, families and associates of those staff members. Also, the gossip would have spread throughout the real-estate industry as former employees of GBC departed his employ and took up work elsewhere

Yet the media kept a lid on it until given the ok by investigators, imo. So let's give the media some credit for a change because in this instance at least, they deserve some (imo again)

It's not salacious rumour. Not chinese whispers. The relationship and the identities of those involved are a focus of the investigation into a woman's murder. And that murder is why we're all here

I agree.

"Ms McHugh is the former staffer reported to have been interviewed at least three times by detectives and confirmed the relationship to police, The Sunday Mail can reveal."

The police have obvioulsy made a point to tell the journalist that TM admitted to the affair during an interview, and given them permission to publish it. It's not like this article is based on just witness accounts of the affair.

 

[True]

I agree with most of what you say except I wonder what you mean by accidental death? If he strangled or smothered her it's no accdient, even if it wasnt premeditated. It's unlikely it was bashing as it didnt seem like the body had obvious injuries. In the scenario you gave, getting into a rage and killing someone isn't usually accidental, it happens because you can't and don't control your rage or urges to destroy the person who might be saying things you dont like.

Yes, I see what you mean. By accidental, I mean getting really angry with her. Grabbing her in a fit of rage but going too far when he really wanted to cause her harm but didn't think he was being rough enough to actually kill her.
He's no expert on strangulation and contrary to popular belief you don't need to strangle someone for 10 minutes for them to expire. There is a main artery on the side of the neck with supplies oxygen to the brain. Cut that for even under a minute and the person is at risk of Death. If your brain can't tell you to breathe you die pretty soon after. Any which way, it's still murder. You don't grab someone by the neck thinking about killing them and say it was accidental, same as you don't stab someone 'a little bit' in a fit of rage. If they don't die, it's attempted murder, if they DO die, then it's murder.

 

[pudwink]

Yep Coashugger-nice point...OR, another scenario, mistress and Allison end up in a scrap, GBC intervenes sustaining some scratches in the melee and between the two of THEM, poor Allison ends up dead...just another angle...

 

[Nads]

Wonder if Gerard will be prancing around the show again today lol.

From what people have said it seems like he was there Fri night and also Saturday. Is this right?

 

[Thinking]

Apologies for repeating myself (I asked this yesterday)....

Does anyone know if McHugh is the maiden or married name?

Does anyone know if Toni's house or car have been searched?

Also, just a thought.... Many have stated Allison may have found something out about GBC, but maybe it was something about Toni she found out? Food for thought.....

Ditto all of the above.

Can any local verify exactly the type of car TM owns? Don't mention the little yellow one as I am convinced that "visitor" is definitely not her.

Can anyone verify that the crashed car belongs to TM?

 

[Paradox11]

Wonder if Gerard will be prancing around the show again today lol.

prancing! :floorlaugh:

 

[zookyliz]

Gerard has been at the show for the last two days - don't think he will be today.The girls were also there with Allison's lovely parents. Such beautiful girls, who look tired and defeated. Luckily their lovely grandparents are there for them.
TM is not the owner of the impounded car (I know someone was asking). Her car is not blue.

GBC knew yesterday that this news of the affair would be out today and was telling people it would be out in the open today.

 

[Greg]

Is it possible a "senior" person was fed up with the untidy family situation and financial problems and decided to eliminate someone to ease the pressure? Someone who thinks nothing of eliminating living creatures? Looking back at the granny pash thing, maybe that was wife "thanking" her big brave husband??

Yep or a father/son team.

 

[Schmickthespy]

Hi, another newbie here but I've been reading posts for the past 24 hours until my account here was approved. Sorry to cut to the chase but I think perhaps it's wrong to place so much focus on TM right now and as someone said it is just making for fresh (sensationalised) news stories right now. Some people have eluded to the fact that GBC was having a few extra marital affairs not just one and could it be that he is maybe using TM to take the focus off someone else??? Just food for thought....

 

[Greg]

No. The locals pick TM. I think NBC/EBC are probably working with police to ensure she is incriminated and their GBC gets a slap for being an accessory (emotional irrational after the event). I think that's why he engaged lawyers quickly. Humble personal opinion only and subject to change as things unfold.

(Added) the granny pash may have been a genuine feeling of relief after the police visit "Our boy will be safe".

i dont put much credence into the locals pick as far as who dunnit, spotting an overt illicit affair is a bit different to "knowing a murderer" and they like Gerard, fine upstanding pillar of the community he is. he couldnt possibly do it...it had to be the *advertiser censored*..the homewrecker.....maybe its just the BC's using her as a patsy!!!!

my thoughts only, no factual evidence

 

[mountainhigh]

I agree.

"Ms McHugh is the former staffer reported to have been interviewed at least three times by detectives and confirmed the relationship to police, The Sunday Mail can reveal."

The police have obvioulsy made a point to tell the journalist that TM admitted to the affair during an interview, and given them permission to publish it. It's not like this article is based on just witness accounts of the affair.

nonsense Im sorry. QPS would never reveal to the media what was said in a sit down interiew, simply not the case.
sunday mail are not directly quoting QPS here..
Sunday Mail have been itcing to report this affair from day 1. they have not reported it or done a story on it so far because they have not had permission from the police, it doesn't work like that.
QPS don't have the resources to sue QLD Newspapers! nor have the time...
this has been a calculated run on the behalf of QLD Newspapers and has been based on legal ramifications obviously since cleared up by 'their people'
honestly the naivity on how the media work on this forum really suprises me given the intellect floating about.
yes laser disc advertising makes them money not sale of newspapers. how they get advertisers in the first place and how much money they can charge for their advertising space depends entirely on their readership.....
to get the readership up they must SELL newspapers....sell sell sell
readers read stories like this, not harvey norman fride adverts...that comes secondary

 

[minni]

Curiouscat, NO I'm not firing up about 'her' involvement...In fact people close to me have picked her from the start and either way I don't give a shi*, I want justice for this poor womans family, seriously I do. If she is connected, give me the cuffs and "I will take her down in Chinatown" myself!!

Its been done to death and I don't wanna go on about it anymore. I have just read laserdiscs posts about why they have printed it now and I see her point. I guess they would have been itching to write this story, not becaause they care about these people BUT because it makees for interesting reading. A story like this doesn't come along every day. its got bold and the beautiful written all over it. Sensationalism of the highest order...murder, affairs, money, failed business, wack job in-laws, the lovely family (Dickies), it just goes on and on and on. they lick their lips at this sort of stuff.
In fact I think they have done a tremendous job to date, my personal opinion is simply that after this article I feel for this woman and her family IF she has had nothing to do with this murder. I genuinely do, in spite of her poor judgement and having an affair with GBC. Lets face it, of course it was morally wrong but does anyone go into an affair thinking that someone is going to get murdered?? NO they don't.

Call me soft, perhaps I am, I like to think that people are inherrantly good, and she may have *advertiser censored* all to do with this crime. wrong place, wrong affair, wrong time.
for those who are not good people and have committed this crime, burn em, hang em, do what you want with em. including her!!

maverick.au...is that you? if so, welcome back!

 

[itsthevibe]

I think we have to acknowledge that's only been 5 percent of the local gossip, so while GBC affair was well known, a whole bunch of other stuff is completely insane

I wonder whether investigators approve of the Sunday Mail article. I cringe for the kids at school on Monday. I hope most of the local parents are diplomatic.

It will be hard for the kids, it is going to get to the stage where they will really need ongoing professional help. Yes, it is good that life continues in as normal a routine as possible, but it's an extreme situation here and likely to get worse.

As far as the gossip/rumours here, it depends on what you call gossip and rumours. I think there has been some reliable info which, for the purposes of this site, has had to be classified as gossip or rumour. But many of us have instinctively picked up on it and recognised it as credible. In those cases we have been correct. One woman was incorrectly named as the mistress for a while which was an error that was eventually corrected (albeit with a bit of effort), but other than that there have been a lot of things that all turned out to be true.

Much of the insane, crazy stuff has not actually started that way. It's been through someone actually coming up with a theory based on nothing, and a whole bunch of others suddenly running with it as truth and it going out of control. Basically I would call it some of the more outlandish type of speculation. Which is allowed on here because speculation is allowed. I agree with speculation beng allowed, it's part of the core business of this site and helps to 'nut things out', but it's interesting that it can result in crazy ideas getting even more crazy, whereas the info from a sensible person who knows someone directly involved or perhaps just once removed, is classified as rumour and not allowed. Examples: marriage in trouble, affair, Allison finding out, TM, more than one person involved, Allison went to the hairdressers, they both went to the cross-country, the sleepover, and a few more.

I wonder if it will turn out to be correct that NBC was the old man at the roundabout in the bus shelter?

 

[laserdisc10]

Hi, another newbie here but I've been reading posts for the past 24 hours until my account here was approved. Sorry to cut to the chase but I think perhaps it's wrong to place so much focus on TM right now and as someone said it is just making for fresh (sensationalised) news stories right now. Some people have eluded to the fact that GBC was having a few extra marital affairs not just one and could it be that he is maybe using TM to take the focus off someone else??? Just food for thought....

With respect (and welcome by the way) we aren't placing the focus on TM. The police are focusing on TM's relationship with GBC, for reasons known to them and probably based on information provided them by TM herself and possibly others

 

[Greg]

You're thinking the "I wouldn't work for anyone else"??

until i had to leave and work for someone else....

 

[Salem]

STOP BICKERING! Stop. If you don't like another's opinion - then move past it. Don't respond to it. But stop the back and forth. It is very disruptive to the thread.

If the post violates TOS, alert it and move on. DO NOT respond to it. By responding, you violate TOS and you make the situation more difficult for the mods.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[Maxymoo]

Also just thought -

Was the woman with EBC at the post box related to TM - mother, sister?

We debated this last night (early morning) I beleive the conclusion was it is TM hardly recognizable wtihout makeup and hair done

 

[laserdisc10]

i used to like you minni

:floorlaugh:

 

[Sprinter]

My feelings about him aren't softening one iota

No my feelings towards GBC have not changed, just wondered if we may get a surprise with the final outcome. He is guilty as all get out IMO but may not of been the lead player, just another thought.