Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #3

[Liadan]

I also spent a little time thinking about WHY she would be left like that.

I'm no good at sleuthing but I consider myself to be better at the psychology part.

If a killer knows their victim, they are more likely to bury the victim underground, way out of site and in a place difficult to get to. Serial killers, organized, or disorganized tend to discard their victims without much thought to covering up. They have no ties to the victim so they don't care.

Therefor if someone was trying to make it look like some deranged killer picked her up and dispose of they body, they would probably leave it out in the open, but hidden enough to hope it got deteriorated to hinder forensics.

If the search party stumbled upon disturbed ground which proved to be a grave, or dogs sniffed out a grave, it would be very obvious that someone she knew killed her. You think about it, if it were you driving around trying to work out what to do.a

Interesting - the way the body is placed gives the police MOUNTAINS of information about the way the murder was committed. A staging often occurs when the perpatrator is trying to thwart the investigation.

So the types of injuries the body has will be established and the behaviour of the suspects will be observed they will develop a profile of the victim and see if this agrees with the autopsy findings and evidence. The fact they have said this is homicide is quite telling!

 

[Lu-Lu]

From what I observed in the photo posted yesterday/last night, she was underneath the bridge, closer to the side where there are big elevated water pipes (ducts), but I don't know if that side is up or downstream.

This is near the mouth of Kholo Creek, that leads onto the Brisbane River.

See if this link works... http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.531564,152.848384&z=16&t=h&nmd=20120111

 

[Thinking]

I read an article that ABC tucked the girls into bed, and I am still looking for the link for everyone.

I'm pretty sure I read an article when ABC first went missing, that started something like..."It would have been an ordinary evening, Allison would have had dinner, tucked the children into bed .....etc etc" then went on to wonder what could have possibly happened to her, how could she just vanish - you know? I think the article I read wasn't an actual report, rather a story setting the scene when she first went missing? I'm sure you won't find a report that said she definitely tucked the children into bed.

 

[marlywings]

SHE got up early every morning for a walk but Allison Baden-Clay always made sure she was home by the time her little girls woke.
Without fail, she was there to make them breakfast and get them ready for school - except last Friday morning.

For the first time, sisters Hannah, 10, Sarah, 8, and Ella, 5, woke up without their mum.

Some time after she had tucked them up in bed the night before, Mrs Baden-Clay disappeared.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...lison-baden-clay/story-e6freuy9-1226341324546

 

[Makara]

Ladies and gentlemen, don't foget to post links etc here. It will save you and everyone else a lot of time scrolling through old messages looking for a particular link.

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[Nads]

I'm thinking that the Police may have found discrepancies with the mileage gauge in the family car(s). If a car is computerised it will show a service technician how many kilometers were travelled on a particular date. Perhaps the Police asked GBC what his movements were on the Thursday until he arrived home and if he left his home for any reason that night. If he told them he didn't leave home at all but the mileage gauge in his car showed otherwise, it could be the reason why the Police were conducting their test at the roundabout on Friday night. They may have been wanting to accurately record the exact mileage from one point to another. I don't know if the family cars are computerised but let's hope they are. If there is in fact a discrepancy with the mileage, it still would not prove that GBC was the driver but it would be more evidence to work with.

If all they wanted to do was see the distance, then they could have done that in any old police car and without closing off the roundabout. I think they are trying to plant the seed of a white car in our heads as a memory jogger. And it was a stunt that would get headlines for that same purpose. Or in order to send a message to whoever did it that they knew what they did.

I think they are building a huge case in the hope that the perp will confess or the lawyers will see it's hopeless so they'll try to cut a deal.

 

[PolyDot]

Yes - although now that I think of it, didn't his sister take them to school that day (apparently)?

not Friday because she was still in Townsville

 

[CaseClosed]

This is near the mouth of Kholo Creek, that leads onto the Brisbane River.

See if this link works... http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.531564,152.848384&z=16&t=h&nmd=20120111

Thanks. It doesn't quite work ... asks for sign-in to view maps

 

[bearbear]

i think we all instinctively know who killed abc right from the beginning.
the inconsistencies with time, the odd behaviour, hiring a lawyer immediately, then barristor, the police contradicting the time he last saw her (10pm, but possibly dumped 8pm) no warnings of a killer in the area, etc etc.
i dont think there was a motive or anyone else involved, just an out of control argument, easy to escalate when you dont have to worry about the children hearing or seeing, with possibly alcohol involved, that ended in her violent death.
in my opinion the police know who did it and just waiting to gather all evidence before making an arrest. they will be watching him and possibly have phone surveillance.
also maybe the roundabout info police want is not only about the traffic through but also the surrounding shops, suspicious, odd behaviour. they obviously cant say and being very cryptic, but they must have something very crucial to the investigation happened there.

 

[Cccclllaareb]

SHE got up early every morning for a walk but Allison Baden-Clay always made sure she was home by the time her little girls woke.
Without fail, she was there to make them breakfast and get them ready for school - except last Friday morning.

For the first time, sisters Hannah, 10, Sarah, 8, and Ella, 5, woke up without their mum.

Some time after she had tucked them up in bed the night before, Mrs Baden-Clay disappeared.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...lison-baden-clay/story-e6freuy9-1226341324546

Thanks marlywings! That's what I had been looking for. I realise a news article isn't a police confirmation of tucking the children in, but I think it's the best indication we have at this point.

 

[Cccclllaareb]

I don't know why my other post had a face banging it's head on the wall ahahaha must have pressed the wrong thing

 

[Couldbe]

The way the direct quote is from the friend I still take her to mean the kids were having a sleepover on Friday. Now that I have read it over and over I think it could be interpreted either way and is another reminder that we need to keep an open mind.

I found the Journalist's description of the events a bit ambiguous too.
This could be attributed to inadequate sentence/paragraph structure similar to the following example:
"The grateful soldier relaxed after years of battle in his living room."
"The man walks slowly down to the saloon with the cowboy boots. "

 

[marlywings]

Thanks. It doesn't quite work ... asks for sign-in to view maps

On that nearmap link,down the bottom on that page...tick the box & then click "take me to map"...

 

[JK673]

i think we all instinctively know who killed abc right from the beginning.
the inconsistencies with time, the odd behaviour, hiring a lawyer immediately, then barristor, the police contradicting the time he last saw her (10pm, but possibly dumped 8pm) no warnings of a killer in the area, etc etc.
i dont think there was a motive

There has to be a motive - to charge and try someone for something like murder the prosecution need to prove ALL three things - motive, means and opportunity.


No motive = not guilty

 

[AllyG]

Respectfully snipped. Don't stay away too long please AllyG, you have already proven to be a valuable new member here with excellent insight and opinions I have the utmost respect for. Everyone is being wonderful here trying to help get answers for what happened to Allison, the teamwork going on is great and you just never know what little piece of information or thought might be that much needed piece of the puzzle. This is a well moderated and brilliant site to belong to and if it is within the sites T & C's then you can say anything you want.

Thank you for being so sweet. And to Cccclllaareb (I hope I put enough c's and l's lol). I kept running things through my mind over dinner and couldn't stay away

A thought I've just had is that if it was someone other than GBC, do you think it's possible that they would have made more of an effort to point the finger at him? Knowing that the spouse is usually responsible for these kinds of murders it would make sense (as much as you can make sense in these circumstances) to link it back to GBC. That would then throw in doubt.

 

[bearbear]

There has to be a motive - to charge and try someone for something like murder the prosecution need to prove ALL three things - motive, means and opportunity.


No motive = not guilty

well i guess his motive was uncontrolled rage and all the feelings that go with that, but dont think it was planned.

 

[JK673]

Thanks marlywings! That's what I had been looking for. I realise a news article isn't a police confirmation of tucking the children in, but I think it's the best indication we have at this point.

I think it is artistic liberty here on behalf of the CM journalist which is not suprising:banghead:

 

[pinhead]

From what I observed in the photo posted yesterday/last night, she was underneath the bridge, closer to the side where there are big elevated water pipes (ducts), but I don't know if that side is up or downstream.

Water main pipes are on the river (downstream) side of the bridge, same side as body.

 

[angel1]

From the time the first message went up on the police page i have never put the blame on anyone as i wasn't there. Also as i think i left a message here saying i joined this page because the police kept deleting comments. Most of them were much the same as on this page which is apparently not allowed on their page. I even noticed now that some of the media pages are putting messages up. I just had a thought though (still not accusing anyone) but would anyone know if it's common for a canoe to be in the area where allison was found??? Or could the person have known something considering it was supposedly a canoeist that found her???

 

[marlywings]

I think it is artistic liberty here on behalf of the CM journalist which is not suprising:banghead:

Yes, except it's a (Sydney) Daily Telegraph journalist, they're even more artistic..lol.