GUILTY Australia - Andrew, 45, Rose, 44, & Chantelle Rowe, 16, slain, Kapunda, 8 Nov 2010 #2

[Mrs G Norris]

Do we know if the family had been in bed (ie were wearing PJs etc) when they were murdered?

 

[rhb]

Hi. I'm from Australia. Did not know the Rowe family or any of their friends but have followed this case in the news since it broke. I've just read all the pages here on the murder and a few things:

Very little information has been revealed regarding this case. As far as I remember, the only things that have been revealed by the police is that all three had multiple stab wounds and all three had defensive wounds to the hands. Police have described the scene as "disturbing" but that's it. There have been absolutely no reports regarding samurai swords. All that was revealed to the public was they were looking for a knife. The bloodstains outside the house were footprints and not blood spots from the wounded killer. After these were located police were pulling over people (not locals) they found walking on the side of the road asking to see the soles of their shoes. There is another court hearing this Tuesday (I think it's Tuesday) where what can and cannot be revealed to the public involving this case will be discussed. So, up until this point, very little has been revealed.

People have been theorizing why and the events in that house and how it played out. I don't really want to get involved in that except to say there has been absolutely no reports whatsoever that CR was hiding in a cupboard or that she was found posed. The only "witness" to it is the neighbor who said to a news reporter (and this was footage) that he had heard a woman scream "help help help" and then a loud bang. He said about 5 or 6 seconds later he heard a man yelling and then screaming.

 

[banshee282001]

Just a question....I was wondering why the accused's bebo account is still up, but his facebook page was removed apparently by police? Surely the cops know about other social networking sites?

 

[banshee282001]

Do they drink Miller beer in Scotland?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Here's the link; {mod edit} looks like a perfectly normal family unit to me...wonder why JD was kept apart from his father growing up?

*speculation;

a) he left alleged suspect's mother to start a relationship and family with another woman and alleged suspect's mum refused to see him or have anything to do with him after that or allow him to see alleged suspect.

b) he did something or behaved in a way that made alleged suspect's mum feel he was not fit to be around kids

c) he could have seen alleged suspect if he had wanted to but told his family that he was being kept apart from his son to save face, when in reality he wasn't that keen

d) alleged suspect's mum had a new man in her life and didn't want the old one hanging around

The statement in this article;

'His father was not named on his birth certificate. However, it is understood that he is ***** ******.

According to a family source, the pair were deliberately prevented from meeting as the boy was growing up.'

{mod edit}

 

[canterbury]

If there is one type of "evidence" that I think has been conclusively invalidated over the years, it's psychological profiling or accounts of personality. Martin Bryant was a sweet lovable lad, Ivan Milat was good with women, Ted Bundy was charming and educated, the Hermeler twins were such quiet, happy girls, Carl Williams was a dopy likeable boy, Julian Knight was shy and kind, Ned Kelly was loving and generous to his family. The list is endless. People are not fundamentally evil or even prone to snap. There are many sides to every person. What we show to others could be completely different from what is going on inside. Anyone is capable of terrible acts given the right circumstances.

Once the facts are discovered, of course popular true crime writers and even "expert" psychologist court witnesses will fit a convincing narrative of the person's life to his or her deeds but it is almost never a reliable indicator of guilt before the fact. Surely we know enough now to realise that people are very complex and extreme acts are *never* predictable.

 

[Myserty64]

There is a lot of contra-indications appearing with regard to this case.

There is something that 'doesn't sit right' about this triple murder.
I can't put my finger on what it is though.

Have they got the killer yet?

 

[ozziefee]

hi all
im a newbie here also,just been lurking reading all the posts,i dont know the family but this case has taken me too for some reason,so sad and am so sorry to the family that this has happened.i dont have to much to say as i will leave that to the people who know and who are close,but i do want to comment on the recent posts of the pics of the alleged suspect and the man and the beer.maybe it is his australian dad (stepdad maybe?) as his mother did remarry a man from australia it says it in one of the links i went to b4,says his name but i wont put it on here,i also think that maybe the alleged didnt know the parents were home and they startled him.anyways keep up the great work this is a great site.and thanks for letting me join,
Fee

 

[banshee282001]

hi all
im a newbie here also,just been lurking reading all the posts,i dont know the family but this case has taken me too for some reason,so sad and am so sorry to the family that this has happened.i dont have to much to say as i will leave that to the people who know and who are close,but i do want to comment on the recent posts of the pics of alleged suspect and the man and the beer.maybe it is his australian dad (stepdad maybe?) as his mother did remarry a man from australia it says it in one of the links i went to b4,says his name but i wont put it on here,i also think that maybe the alleged suspect didnt know the parents were home and they startled him.anyways keep up the great work this is a great site.and thanks for letting me join,
Fee

Hi Fee! I'm a newbie too!

I'm thinking the man in the photo is the accused's real dad who lives in Scotland. The baby in the pic is the accused's step-sister?

Am I getting that right?

 

[indizio]

Just a question....I was wondering why the accused's bebo account is still up, but his facebook page was removed apparently by police? Surely the cops know about other social networking sites?

Police don't have the authority to delete someone's facebook, even if they left it open on their computer. The most likely scenario is that the alleged suspect gave the password to his lawyer, after it being suggested that he removes it.

How Chantelle's page was removed still intrigues me, as Facebook hears thousands of requests daily of "My relative died and I would like the account deleted" yet they do nothing. "For security reasons underlined within Facebook's Privacy & Terms of Service only a person responsible for their account can deactivate or delete it."

Facebook just simply does not delete the accounts of the deceased.

It seems a friend of hers must have known the password, or that she left it as 'remember me' on her computer and a friend did it.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Here's highlights of the doco series that aired in the UK filmed in Onthank a Kilnarnock estate, where the alleged suspect is originally from...apparently they're speaking in English.

[video=youtube;Xan2xU-ZFic]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xan2xU-ZFic[/video]

 

[banshee282001]

Police don't have the authority to delete someone's facebook, even if they left it open on their computer. The most likely scenario is that the alleged suspect gave the password to his lawyer, after it being suggested that he removes it.

Okay, if that's the case, I wonder why the lawyer hasn't removed the bebo account? Was there something specifically on the facebook account that the lawyer thought should be deleted. And is it legal for a lawyer to do that if it's evidence of some kind?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Hi Fee! I'm a newbie too!

I'm thinking the man in the photo is the accused's real dad who lives in Scotland. The baby in the pic is the accused's step-sister?

Am I getting that right?

Yes....that's right!

 

[indizio]

Okay, if that's the case, I wonder why the lawyer hasn't removed the bebo account? Was there something specifically on the facebook account that the lawyer thought should be deleted. And is it legal for a lawyer to do that if it's evidence of some kind?

It's possible to just deactivate a Facebook account, leaving all the information there. The lawyer probably suggested it due to the suppression order most likely so that people don't see his photos or wall posts. (Or leave hate messages)

Maybe they didn't see Bebo as a huge deal, heck, I have a myspace from years ago that I don't use any more. (and don't remember the password for)
It's also possible that they weren't allowed to delete potential evidence, and Bebo doesn't have a 'deactivate account' option* for retaining all the information?

*I don't know, I don't use Bebo.

 

[banshee282001]

It's possible to just deactivate a Facebook account, leaving all the information there. The lawyer probably suggested it due to the suppression order most likely so that people don't see his photos or wall posts.

Yes, be WE are seeing his bebo photos and posts.

Just an oversight by the lawyer? Not very thorough.

 

[sbr]

I am thinking the police had their facebook accounts hidden to keep people from going in there and deleting anything.

On the accused being a shy a quiet, nerdy guy, some quotes from an argument that tells me differently, names removed. The accused posts have of course been removed when his account was deleted/hidden but you can get the gist from the other posts. I will call the person being threatened PBT:

Friend: stfu and stop starting **** with my mate ****. U wanna start hit be ready for when it ends ayy

PBT: so now youve both threatend to bash me **** your both heaps tuff u wanna go then sure

Assumed Brother: Woah Wtf **** has a mouth on him lmao *advertiser censored* PBT i can't believe my lil bro's kicking your *advertiser censored* at this lol and he's weak....PBT a lil tip don't mess wit **** cuz he seriously will *advertiser censored* you up lol theres a tip 4 ya keep it in mind

Assumed Brother: Aww well **** happens aye bro lol never *advertiser censored* wit the Scots you know ill always have ya back 4 life bru....just go over there and *advertiser censored* him up lol will teach him to keep him dumb *advertiser censored* mouth shut *advertiser censored*n drooling to much ****.....beat you up lmao thats a knee slapper

These are in order, there's many more in between and after but these give you the gist. When PBT said "now you've both threatened me" at that point in time only that quote by his mate was there so unless someone elses replies have been deleted the other person could only be assumed to have been the accused.

 

[sbr]

On the topic of the accused father. The person that I assume is his brother refers to the accused as "lil bro" so I assume even though he looks a lot younger that he is actually older then then accused.

I wonder if perhaps there was an affair that resulted in a pregnancy and hence why he was kept from his father. Perhaps they both had their own families at the time. Not that this has much to do with what happened?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Yes agree...and thanks for the posts above from FB...interesting. The dad doesn't really have anything to do with the crime, other than a bit of background history for JD, and since he mentioned it on his bebo wall I thought it was worth looking into.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Guys, just so you know we have got a profiler working on a profile for [remove initials]
There is still a lot of work to go, but he said I could share his prelim observations so here they are:

I have started studying the available information on him and believe there is enough to do a complete BRACE Character Profile.

Some of my notes to myself include: Impressions: Shallow, low level of interpersonal depth, lack of empathy, unfocused, superficial, deficit interpersonal skills, average to borderline intellectual functioning, emotionally immature, violent interests and fantasy life, high level of anger and dissatisfaction with life and life situation, high level of cognitive isolation, likely substitutes intensity for intimacy, pain/pleasure mixes (violent, sadistic impulses), sense of emptiness/restlessness/poor sense of self, need to rule-out Alexathemia/Asperger’s, seeks recognition/fame, lack of academic, cultural, intellectual interests, narrow world view, self-centered, deep sense of abandonment and alienation, ....

This will take a couple of days to complete but will appear up here when it is. I for one cannot wait.

 

[secret]

On his bebo account there is a girl that has commented on his wall. Her name is {mod edit} remove name. She says love you lots bro. This must be his step sister?? Also it's kinda weird but she is sorta emo/scene looking like Chantelle.

Perhaps they left the rape charge out because people were already really shaken up?? It would be too hard for people in the general public to digest all in one go?

Maybe he did take a knife from their house and perhaps the police haven't released those details. It wouldn't really be of any use to the public, it's still a knife that needs to be found. That way I'm thinking perhaps things just got out of hand and that's what happened.

Also does anyone think its weird to let your 16 yr old stay at home alone over night and let her have a party? I mean fair enough is the brother was home as well, but isn't she a bit young for it?

Did anyone see on her bebo account that she has has 10+ boyfriends? I'm not trying to imply anything, but is that a little weird at her age? I mean I realise when your young you do swap bfs regularly. But I dunno..
It also states that she doesn't really get along with anyone in her family. Weird. Teenage angst perhaps.