Australia Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #10

[b4u]

Under WA law blood is taken from all children born in WA, this is another possibility.

I think that's the since 1972 Guthrie test (Australia wide)

http://www.health.wa.gov.au/docreg/Education/Prevention/Genetics/HP009372_newborn_screen_test.pdf

I read a CSK related post on Facebook today, claiming that about 10 years ago, a Policeman got sacked for attempting to access highly confidential Guthrie test results.

 

[Messi1]

A recurring question on here seems to be 'Why Claremont?'.

Some thoughts on that. Aside from many of the other theories on here, I guess it's worth examining the night life areas in Perth in the mid to late 90;s;

1. Northbridge - The largest, central and most popular area. Nightclubs,pubs, restaurants, a few strip clubs. Would attract the largest numbers and probably the biggest melting pot.
2. Fremantle - Probably the second most popular area. Quite big and busy at weekends. Quite a mixed demographic again but probably mostly from the southern suburbs and coastal areas.
3. Subiaco. A smaller yet popular area. Reputation for being a little bit classier. A handful of pubs and clubs with restaurants.
4. Leederville. Once again a smaller area. Really popular midweek with the Hip-E Club and The Leederville Hotel being huge on Wednesdays. People from all over Perth would be there.
5. Claremont. A small yet popular nightspot. As Bart has already pointed out, predominantly people from the Western Suburbs with blow ins at Club Bay View from the unis.

So really, there are probably five main areas with a significant enough population for him to go out and select who he likes. I'd imagine that he'd remove Northbridge and possibly Fremantle because of the sheer numbers there. This would increase the chance of being sprung in the act. In Northbridge, whilst there are some secluded spots chances are that in most locations there are always people around. Fremantle is similar but probably to a lesser extent.

That leaves Subi, Leederville or Claremont.

This may potentially mean that his choice of 'hunting ground' comes down to a choice between three possible locations. It may have nothing to do with history or vendetta or some of the other theories and be a practical decision. Claremont is busy enough to offer the type of woman he is after but also becomes very leafy, suburban after a while and has plenty of spots where he isnt likely to be interrupted whilst attacking a victim.

Anyone else got any thoughts on this?

First time poster, ling time lurker here.
Was thinking along the same lines, and I'd think he would've considered how he could come across girls on their own away from the crowd.
I used to go out a fair bit myself to those abovementioned places, and tried to find cabs home late at night many a time.
So when the queue for cabs is massive and no cabs around, you move to another part of the area to get a passing by cab.

If I was to assess the nightspots... and how you'd go about finding a passing cab..
Northbridge/Freo - Very popular area as you mentioned. Many busy streets around to try to hail a passing taxi with still enough other people around.
Subiaco - Hay st/Rokeby road - I found you didn't really need to venture beyond the main streets to catch a cab.
Leederville - Oxford st/Newcastle st/Vincent st - usual streets to move to try to hail a cab. I still found enough people meandering around the streets late at night... and passing traffic
Claremont - Bayview Tce/St Quentin/Gugeri/Stirling - moving off the main café/club strip, Gugeri was probably quieter, but Stirling hwy may have seemed busier, lighter and perhaps safer for people to hail down a cab.

For BRE, perhaps Stirling hwy provided the better opportunity to abduct someone compared to some of the other nightspots mentioned?
I'm sure this would've been on his mind.
Quick getaway either way? more commercial properties? less people around?
Even though Stirling hwy is normally a busy road, it really isn't at 2am in the morning. But to a girl on her own, it may have been seen as a safe option?

 

[petedavo.au]

i looked for photos of brad but could not find any of him from what i had but i talked to some old work mates and one of them has a bunch of photos and even home vcr of all of us including brad from 1997 he is waiting for his nephew to convert the vcr to dvd or some thing so he can put on the internet he said it should be done by the weekend i told him to join here and he said he will

one person asked what did brad do work wise. he was articulate and well communicated but quiet he did very very well at his job brad specialized in underground and coaxial cabling work he was one of just a handful in the state that was specialized in these areas and did a lot of contract work for mining companies in wa and nt he also did lots of work behind compliance devices like alarm systems for businesses all around wa like i said when it come to his job brad really stood out as some one who new what they were doing and did it very well all our bosses liked him

Is that VCR of a trip to Melbourne that a group of Telcos went on a holiday. My mate reckoned he wasn't on it, but was initially reluctant to answer. Did say there's a social email that went around with "pictures through the years" that has him pictured in different years. He reckons DF is the one to ask. (bloke with the Italian surname)

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[mandy.maree]

I've now had it on good authority that BRE's neighbours were contacted by WAPOL prior to his arrest to discuss certain incidents that occurred & were reported around his childhood home in Huntingdale - generally clothes going missing and peeping etc. It seems he was put forward as a suspect by multiple people for his odd behaviour.

Once police had that DNA hit from the Kimono, they had their man. As previously posted, it looks most likely he was arrested on suspicion of the 1988 attack only. I think the familial DNA link is a furphy.

Sounds about right. Exactly what I gathered he'd have been up too as he seems to be a bit of a planner. I figured he'd started with stealing...then observing. .clearly had quite a bit of free time on his hands late at night
Probably had to move onto other areas as people in his neighborhood were well aware there was a peeping tom lurking about

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[Nugget77]

First time poster, ling time lurker here.
Was thinking along the same lines, and I'd think he would've considered how he could come across girls on their own away from the crowd.
I used to go out a fair bit myself to those abovementioned places, and tried to find cabs home late at night many a time.
So when the queue for cabs is massive and no cabs around, you move to another part of the area to get a passing by cab.

If I was to assess the nightspots... and how you'd go about finding a passing cab..
Northbridge/Freo - Very popular area as you mentioned. Many busy streets around to try to hail a passing taxi with still enough other people around.
Subiaco - Hay st/Rokeby road - I found you didn't really need to venture beyond the main streets to catch a cab.
Leederville - Oxford st/Newcastle st/Vincent st - usual streets to move to try to hail a cab. I still found enough people meandering around the streets late at night... and passing traffic
Claremont - Bayview Tce/St Quentin/Gugeri/Stirling - moving off the main café/club strip, Gugeri was probably quieter, but Stirling hwy may have seemed busier, lighter and perhaps safer for people to hail down a cab.

For BRE, perhaps Stirling hwy provided the better opportunity to abduct someone compared to some of the other nightspots mentioned?
I'm sure this would've been on his mind.
Quick getaway either way? more commercial properties? less people around?
Even though Stirling hwy is normally a busy road, it really isn't at 2am in the morning. But to a girl on her own, it may have been seen as a safe option?

See this to me is the logical way of thinking about his area selection. All of the other theories are fine, but this feels like the most plausible reason.

He wants to abduct a certain type of girl.
Best opportunity is an entertainment precinct.
There were only 5/6 major areas to choose from.
Eliminate Northbridge/Freo for reason elaborated on.
Leaves 3 viable options (Claremont, Subi, Leederville).

I think he'd then pick the one he feels he has the best chance of success in. Perhaps his first attack was the Karrakatta rape and he had success there, so just kept going in the area.

 

[Look4Clues]

All this talk about clothing going missing from clotheslines reminded me... I remember back in 1987 when I was living in Shenton Park, my teenage daughter's and my clothing went missing off our line which was hung in a rear courtyard. Our townhouse was located just near a back lane way. Then one morning we woke to find that someone had left human excreta all over my daughter's bike just near the washing line and our underwear had been strung all over the trees and put on display in the lane way. Reported it to the police and they set up a hidden camera but unfortunately no more incidents and as far as we know they didn't catch him. Then the nickname "bogsy" came to mind re this. All very weird as I think his first known offence occurred in 1988.

 

[JoeDetective]

Do they keep that all on file? I dont remember signing up for that 😂

Well if BRE had a relative give birth its an easy opportunity, as baby must give blood to the government.

I've been told they keep a sample of all babies but unsure if true.

 

[CSK?]

Honestly..Perth in general seemed to be a hot spot for creeps back then.

Or maybe it was just the 90s..had a few encounters with exhibitionists and flashers myself back then. I was only about 12!
I really dont get what these sickos achieve by this..but it worries me what they may have got up too since

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unfortunately the amount of violent/sexual offenders was not limited to just perth or the 90's if you search you will find them in every city of every country across the world throughout history and into the future. It's only because we were looking that we found all these guys, I guess ignorance can be bliss as they say.

 

[CSK?]

I'm not sure why people have a hard time grasping the connection between BE and VG, she was brought up by him, BE is essentially her dad, her feelings for him are no different than yours or mine towards our fathers. If BE is the CSK then as much of a monster as he is that does not mean he couldn't love and care for the people close to him.

 

[janwa]

And in involving someone else you invite the probability that someone will shop you to save themselves. Add a reward plus immunity from prosecution and you have a recipe for capture. This (alleged) offender was all by himself

The circumstances of this case and if there is anyone else may be revealed. Then maybe not if he pleads guilty. There are many cases with multiple perps involved look at the recent pedophile case organised by the father. I sat in on a trial where 3/4 men were involved in enticing pubescent surfies into a beach house organised by a prominent media person. The bathroom was off of the bedroom set up with video equipment. specialising in recording golden showers on kids in the bath. The Media person was charged went to court and sat there smirking. he knew he would get off as the prosecution made a legal error. None of the group gave him up it was one of the victims.

 

[janwa]

Not to mention multiple DNA.

There may be other DNA that doesn't match any data bases yet

 

[lampformypath]

The circumstances of this case and if there is anyone else may be revealed. Then maybe not if he pleads guilty. There are many cases with multiple perps involved look at the recent pedophile case organised by the father. I sat in on a trial where 3/4 men were involved in enticing pubescent surfies into a beach house organised by a prominent media person. The bathroom was off of the bedroom set up with video equipment. specialising in recording golden showers on kids in the bath. The Media person was charged went to court and sat there smirking. he knew he would get off as the prosecution made a legal error. None of the group gave him up it was one of the victims.

The paedophile case you speak of is known as the Evil 8 and my ex boss was the first one who faced court on this as I've mentioned previously. The other case is fascinating in that the guy "smirked" knowingly and got off. Hmm... didn't our BRE have a little smirk when he faced the judge recently? Think entirely feasible others are involved in this. The girls were all of a type/look. Wonder if the KK and Huntingdale victims look like our Claremont girls? If not , strange that a random opportunist sex crazed rapist changed his MO to just this type of look for his victim? Think back about Debbie Marshall's book and our Dr's prediction of where CG would be found and why she was taken. Have loaned book so can't give page references. Was BRE recruited as a "catcher" for a sinister group, trust me, stranger things have happened!

 

[Candaceny1]

That stylised dragon image posted by the SD following BE charges might indicate a deep bond between her and a stepfather who was a bit of a mentor, given that she too is into gaming, photogragphy/filming and sport.
It was reported that after advanced DNA analysis linked KK cemetery with CG and then (I think) the silk kimono at the 1988 attack that police went back to the old '88 case file. Am presuming that BE was amon the suspects.
And then maybe with the fibres evidence from JR, police looked at how many of the '88 suspects drove a particular model Holden Commodore in the 1990s. And that maybe there was only one

 

[Moustachio]

I'm of the opinion that multiple people were party to the dumping based on this comment, coupled with the line of business that a recently-mentioned and convicted lad was in.

I don't see the logical connection between these propositions ...

 

[Moustachio]

If as you say, he specialised in underground cabling work, would he be digging in dirt and using shovel etc or would that be done by others?

That is a good point, worth exploring. Even if he didn't do any digging himself

 

[AgathasCat]

That stylised dragon image posted by the SD ....

If you mean the profile pic, they are Pokemon foxes, Vulpix and Ninetails. Ninetails is an evolution of Vulpix. Agree that it invokes a sense of protective bond.

 

[Bartholemeus]

The circumstances of this case and if there is anyone else may be revealed. Then maybe not if he pleads guilty. There are many cases with multiple perps involved look at the recent pedophile case organised by the father. I sat in on a trial where 3/4 men were involved in enticing pubescent surfies into a beach house organised by a prominent media person. The bathroom was off of the bedroom set up with video equipment. specialising in recording golden showers on kids in the bath. The Media person was charged went to court and sat there smirking. he knew he would get off as the prosecution made a legal error. None of the group gave him up it was one of the victims.

This was at a unit at Cottesloe beach, mid 80s. Had mates who went there and the tried to groom them.

 

[Moustachio]

Some of these fanciful non-evidence based theories being thrown out around here makes you think Francis Burt Chambers is getting people to attempt to create some sort of reasonable doubt for BRE in a public forum, while the DNA evidence (as it stands in our knowledge today) suggests otherwise.


I am all for theories but atleast have one shred of evidence to support them please.

Good point, except for the even more fanciful conspiracy theory about Francis Burt Chambers!

 

[Moustachio]

Well if BRE had a relative give birth its an easy opportunity, as baby must give blood to the government.

I've been told they keep a sample of all babies but unsure if true.

They would need a warrant, I think, for police to access it.

 

[MingMong]

A few times over the many threads I have read (not all but as far back as I could), there has been a few mentions of the 'south side rapist' and the possibility of it being BE due to huntingdale & kimono etc.
I got to thinking......I think they caught whoever that was. The reason I think so, is because a detective was meant to come to my wedding (I was friends with his wife) and they didn't turn up, with no notice. She told me that it was because they'd got the SS Rapist that day. This was early 1989. Does anyone know anything about that? Because they'd have DNA from that I found it were him wouldn't they? Or was that too early for DNA?
Anyways...the other thing I just wanted to mention is about him being pedantic and cutting cable ties and expectations of emails answered etc. I read somewhere he was born in December - this more than likely makes him Sagittarius (3/4 chance)....I don't think this has bearing on him being a serial killer lol. It's how I do my cable ties etc. saggies are very rigid and intolerant. There is only one way with us....the right way. So I think if he is saggie...this is more than likely the explanation for his ways where that's concerned. Mind you....it doesn't explain his sloth like house - gaming probably explains that.