Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #17

[Pandit]

I wonder if these books were sitting in his bookcase ... but suspect he might have been a bit smarter than to leave obvious clues pointing to a specific or unusual interest out in the open.

Started compiling a list of all the doco's, televised interviews, books, and videos that featured CSK case:
(Adding weblinks slowly)

1. "To catch a killer" channel 9 doco

2. Crime Investigation Australia doco
"Hunt for a killer"
https://youtu.be/M62_WJ1-LBk
https://youtu.be/nNNF1E3mg3c


3. Claremont Ghost video

4. Tigermoth video

5. "Australian Story: Look Before You Leap " doco about Estelle Blackburn, and her worries that she may have dated someone who (at the time) she thought was the CSK. Season 12 Episode 38, aired 5th November 2007.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2395551/

6. JR's CCTV Video
https://youtu.be/eTpMkQV_bfk

7. Interview with LW

8. Interview with Glennon's

9. "Devil's Garden" book by Debi Marshall
https://www.penguin.com.au/books/the-devils-garden-9781741664669

10. "Ciara's Gift: Grief edged with gold" book by Una Glennon.
unaglennon.com

11. "Australian Story: He who waits" doco 9th Feb 2004
https://web.archive.org/web/20170110212530/http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2003/s1042100.htm

12. "End of Innocence" 2007 book by Estelle Blackburn, autobiography that describes her relationship with a man who she thought was the CSK.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTNAluXc72VQy87eNaJL4vd3w7S91803f8PrGfP57VrrlNTph4j
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estelle_Blackburn



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[Spooks-R-Us]

I think someone mentioned there was a body club which burnt down. Near the corner of Stirling Rd & Stirling Hwy - close to where SS was last seen.

Oh yeh good point.
I forgot
There was Body Club burnt down replaced by offices and apartments iirc


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[no name]

No Name, were you living in the area in the 90s? If so can you confirm Claremont basically looked the same from the 1990s until the building of the Claremont Quarter?

The areas that all 3 girls were last seen and immediate vicinity around the Conti/CBV, hasnt changed that much at all in the past 30 years, probably more. The walk Ciara took from the Club to the Highway is probably exactly the same today too

 

[Canning Vale]

I wonder if these books were sitting in his bookcase ... but suspect he might have been a bit smarter than to leave obvious clues pointing to a specific or unusual interest out in the open.

I can imagine him sitting up in bed, reading crime books - whilst the wife, rolls eyes and turns over!

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Started compiling a list of all the doco's, televised interviews, books, and videos that featured CSK case:
(Adding weblinks slowly)

1. "To catch a killer" channel 9 doco

2. Crime Investigation Australia doco
"Hunt for a killer"
https://youtu.be/M62_WJ1-LBk
https://youtu.be/nNNF1E3mg3c


3. Claremont Ghost video

4. Tigermoth video

5. "Australian Story: Look Before You Leap " doco about Estelle Blackburn, and her worries that she may have dated someone who (at the time) she thought was the CSK. Season 12 Episode 38, aired 5th November 2007.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2395551/

6. JR's CCTV Video
https://youtu.be/eTpMkQV_bfk

7. Interview with LW

8. Interview with Glennon's

9. "Devil's Garden" book by Debi Marshall
https://www.penguin.com.au/books/the-devils-garden-9781741664669

10. "Ciara's Gift: Grief edged with gold" book by Una Glennon.
unaglennon.com

11. "Australian Story: He who waits" doco 9th Feb 2004
https://web.archive.org/web/20170110212530/http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2003/s1042100.htm

12. "End of Innocence" 2007 book by Estelle Blackburn, autobiography that describes her relationship with a man who she thought was the CSK.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTNAluXc72VQy87eNaJL4vd3w7S91803f8PrGfP57VrrlNTph4j
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estelle_Blackburn

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Added #12 book cover in my list inside quote

 

[no name]

I think someone mentioned there was a body club which burnt down. Near the corner of Stirling Rd & Stirling Hwy - close to where SS was last seen.

That corner was a little more open but it was still a big 2 story building just not as built out to the road. You could drive in and park out the front of BC. Between there and the Boatshed has been built out heaps, it used to look similar to the far side of Stirling Highway. The entrance to the Claremont Quarter near the conti used to be a little L shaped arcade that spat out opposite the entrance to CBV or you walked straight through to Coles 2 storey carpark, past that was more carpark to a big Coles Variety store then small businesses down to Stirling Road. Basically the western half of Claremont is changed alot and the eastern side is a little more developed, the rest is pretty similar

 

[Canning Vale]

During the 1980’s most hotels had a band on a Friday or Saturday night and a Sunday session. I can recall three night clubs within the southern suburbs…

1. Knight Club - alongside Kwinana Fwy Como (alongside Frenchy's restaurant - it was there for years)
2. Studio 7 - Epsom Ave/Hardy Rd, Belmont (it was called something 7)
3. Gosnells Hotel, Fremantle Rd (upstairs was a nightclub)

Popular Hotels near Huntingdale
Southern River Tavern and the Thornlie Hotel
Lynwood Hotel in Ferndale Cres
(Lakers Tavern Thornlie was built about 1992)

Hotels within the southern suburbs
Cannington Hotel and Waverley Hotel (Albany Hwy, Cannington)
Boomerang Hotel (now Bentley Hotel)
Kewdale Hotel, Kewdale Rd
Manning Hotel (Mt Henry Tavern)
South Perth’s Windsor Hotel
Forrestfield (two in Forrestfield)
Perth Airport

Victoria Park (Albany Hwy and closer to Perth CBD). Popular venues were Irene’s Park Tavern and the Briar Patch. The rest were very quiet hotels: Broken Hill, Black Forest, Victoria Park & Balmoral.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Started compiling a list of all the doco's, televised interviews, books, and videos that featured CSK case:
(Adding weblinks slowly)

1. "To catch a killer" channel 9 doco

2. Crime Investigation Australia doco
"Hunt for a killer"
https://youtu.be/M62_WJ1-LBk
https://youtu.be/nNNF1E3mg3c


3. Claremont Ghost video

4. Tigermoth video

5. "Australian Story: Look Before You Leap " doco about Estelle Blackburn, and her worries that she may have dated someone who (at the time) she thought was the CSK. Season 12 Episode 38, aired 5th November 2007.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2395551/

6. JR's CCTV Video
https://youtu.be/eTpMkQV_bfk

7. Interview with LW

8. Interview with Glennon's

9. "Devil's Garden" book by Debi Marshall
https://www.penguin.com.au/books/the-devils-garden-9781741664669

10. "Ciara's Gift: Grief edged with gold" book by Una Glennon.
unaglennon.com

11. "Australian Story: He who waits" doco 9th Feb 2004
https://web.archive.org/web/20170110212530/http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2003/s1042100.htm

12. "End of Innocence" 2007 book by Estelle Blackburn, autobiography that describes her relationship with a man who she thought was the CSK.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTNAluXc72VQy87eNaJL4vd3w7S91803f8PrGfP57VrrlNTph4j
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estelle_Blackburn

*13. "The Courage of Our Convictions - The Claremont Serial Killer" radionational on ABC
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/the-courage-of-our-convictions---the-claremont/3473202

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Added #13 to list
see red text in quote

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Back in 2000, Police were thinking the (alleged) CSK was responsible for possibly 4 murders!

"Denis Glennon applauds the way the West Australian Police took up techniques never used in Australia before in their pursuit of his daughter's murderer.
Denis Glennon: They were seen as genuine attempts by the police in Western Australia to resolve the killing of two girls, possibly three, possibly four. So no, I wouldn't see them as being controversial."

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational...ge-of-our-convictions---the-claremont/3473202

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Police are known to use media outlets to goad the perpetrator into coming forward and confessing, or into making mistakes so perpetrator can be found by Police.
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"Wayne Petherick: It would appear that the media has been used in a certain way, whether it be to goad the offender, try to bring the offender out, try to initiate some kind of behaviour on the part of the offender, through using the media, because it is assumed that the organised offender will follow the crime in the news and media. So what they are hoping is that he is following what they're saying, and may act or react in some way to the information they're giving.

Gerald Tooth: Criminologist, Wayne Petherick.
So there it is, straight from the FBI handbook on profiling: organised offenders follow their crimes through the media. Which is why the FBI use media leaks in an attempt to influence the behaviour of suspects in serial killer cases.
Claude Minisini would have educated the West Australian Police about this approach. But to say that Superintendent Caporn and his associates applied the lesson in Claremont, would of course be mere conjecture."


http://www.abc.net.au/radionational...ge-of-our-convictions---the-claremont/3473202


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Do you think WAPOL specifically released or held back particular info about CSK case to goad the (alleged) CSK?

Obviously it easier to comment on info WAPOL released.....

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Similarity between all 3 Claremont abductions -
We don't know EXACTLY where abductions took place, apart from fact the victims were last seen in Claremont vicinity.
(ignoring unconfirmed sightings if JR)

"Don Thomson was a criminologist at Perth's Edith Cowan University at the time of the murders.
Don Thomson: In the Claremont abductions and killings, we did not know exactly where the abductions took place. We knew that they took place in the Claremont vicinity, we knew that they took place in the darkness in the early hours of the morning. Bodies were found some weeks later, and the bodies had, over that period of time, deteriorated quite considerably. And so the sorts of clues that one often gets in relation to the victims, or the crime scene, were absent. And that then meant, together with the fact that there were no witnesses or anyone who could shed any light about what might have occurred, gave limited details to build up any sort of profile that one might find useful in assisting the police or in fact assisting the public to try and identify who the offender might be."

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational...ge-of-our-convictions---the-claremont/3473202

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

What exactly is 'behavioural evidence'?

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"Claude Minisini: We did find sufficient behavioural evidence to be able to make some very strong and incisive conclusions.
Gerald Tooth: And can you go further as to say what they were?
Claude Minisini: No, and I apologise for that. I'm not in a position to - the things that we found at the body disposal sites and what those items and aspects provided us in a profile that has a validity, I'm not in a position to go to it. It's one of the things that in the end will help the police in discriminating against somebody that's providing a false confession and a true confession."

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational...ge-of-our-convictions---the-claremont/3473202


BBM
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They didn't say 'DNA' evidence at this stage of investigation in 2000.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

I wonder if the accused CSK left his 2 alleged murder victims out in the open, i.e. NOT buried, because he knew that sunlight, rain, and water can degrade DNA samples????

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"....DNA must be in perfect condition before it is of any real use in a criminal investigation.
Leo Freeney: Well first of all, we start off with the perfect sample, and I'll state that say a bloodstain was shed on a handkerchief, and the handkerchief was kept in a cupboard, out of sunlight and it was dry, the DNA in that sample would be viable for thousands of years, and you'd be able to get a full profile from it.
If that handkerchief was left exposed to sunlight for a day or so, the DNA would be more than likely inactivated, and that's because of the action of the UV light in sunlight. One of the ways we decontaminate our cabinets is by the use of UV light. We turn it on overnight when we're not using it, and that gets rid of all extraneous DNA. So UV light can burn your skin, it can burn DNA.
Now when you get other circumstances such as rain, rain will wash it away obviously. If it's exposed to the elements; if you've got a human body and tropical weather, any surface DNA that's present from say a perpetrator, would quickly degenerate in sunlight, and would also degenerate under the influence of bacteria which feed on protein, which feed on DNA.
If there was semen in the vagina of the dead body, it would tend to last longer than anything that was left on the skin, that was exposed to the elements, but would eventually succumb to the bacterial degradation.

Gerald Tooth: What sort of time line are you talking about in those sort of circumstances, a body left exposed to the elements? How long would DNA evidence left on that body or in that body, be viable for?
Leo Freeney: Now the DNA found on a body would probably not be viable for longer than a day I'd say, if it was blood; if it was semen, longer. Depending on the environmental conditions, it would depend on whether it was raining, it would depend on how hot it was. You can think of it in terms of this: if you can spoil food, the conditions which will spoil food and make it unsuitable for eating, will also spoil DNA, because DNA after all, is a biological entity and will degrade just the same as all other biogical entities. So if ever you freeze food, it will last a very long time; if you dry food it will last for a very long time, and that's exactly the same for DNA.
Gerald Tooth: Leo Freeney.
In Perth there were no fresh crime scene samples to be snap frozen in the forensic laboratory.
Both bodies in this case were left exposed to the elements for long periods of time. Nearly eight weeks in Jane Rimmer's case and nearly three in Ciara Glennon's. During both those times it had rained heavily.
The police were not left with much. "
BBM
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational...ge-of-our-convictions---the-claremont/3473202

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Dreams - that the accused CSK was a COP! Or maybe imitating a cop?


http://www.thestarfish.com.au/the-claremont-killings-16-years-on/

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[Pandit]

Hi Annalise,

It does seem odd that the significance of the girls attending the OBH prior seems to have been played down and all the heat has gone on the Claremont. Perhaps though, the opposite is true and investigators quietly put a lot of their focus on the OBH leading the rest of us astray. Over the groyne even.

Hi everyone and welcome Occula - something that has always bothered me is the lack of information about OBH in Cottesloe. Seems like it was a very busy place like the Claremont Hotel but only briefly mentioned as a place two of the CSK victims were at before going to Claremont the nights they disappeared. SS and JR had both spent most of their evenings out at the OBH first. I wonder if JC also frequented OBH. CG may also have gone there. I would have thought the police would have looked into this hotel. Even on the evenings SS and JR were there - surely there were security cameras showing the patrons. Maybe even cameras outside showing cars that may also have shown up in the videos of Bayview Tce. Not sure if it would have been closed by the time JC left her staff party at the Parmelia - but if it was something could have shown up on their cameras. It seems very odd to me that the hours the girl's spent at the OBH hasn't been investigated. MOO

 

[Canning Vale]

I wonder if the accused CSK left his 2 alleged murder victims out in the open, i.e. NOT buried, because he knew that sunlight, rain, and water can degrade DNA samples????

Snipped for brevity

My thoughts are that when a perpetrator doesn't bury a body, that's because he/she doesn't carry a shovel with them. It would be very difficult for the CSK to explain why he needed digging equipment in his vehicle. Also, didn't want to make the effort and wanted the victims found. Like you've mentioned before he got to the stage whereby he wanted the notoriety.

 

[Canning Vale]

Hi Annalise,

It does seem odd that the significance of the girls attending the OBH prior seems to have been played down and all the heat has gone on the Claremont. Perhaps though, the opposite is true and investigators quietly put a lot of their focus on the OBH leading the rest of us astray. Over the groyne even.

Does anyone know who owns the OBH?

 

[janwa]

Dreams - that the accused CSK was a COP! Or maybe imitating a cop?

http://www.thestarfish.com.au/the-claremont-killings-16-years-on/

Read comments section

Interesting comment from a Jacqueline Nolan

 

[Canning Vale]

Interesting comment from a Jacqueline Nolan

Bunnie,

Someone has posted this comment about a former taxi driver named Vernon. As a former employee for a taxi company are you able to ask former colleagues about this man?

I believe the police were on the right track with the taxi driver theory even more than they know. I believe the Claremont serial killer is a man named "Vernon" he drove taxi's around Perth throughout the 90's and well into the 2000s. His friends would know him as quiet man and heavy drinker, his girlfriend died under very suspicious and violent circumstances around 2005-6, no one was every charged. He is presently serving a min of 15yrs gaol after kicking his parents to death with his steel cap boots, in their home. It is rumoured, his father , a retired police officer had information about his sons involvement in the Claremont killings and wasn't going to stay quiet on the matter. I think he is an opportunist and a random killer, and those poor women just fitted his criteria at the time. I don't know that he was ever swabbed for DNA, he was always very good at flying under the radar.

http://www.thestarfish.com.au/the-claremont-killings-16-years-on/

 

[Bohemian]

Bunnie,

Someone has posted this comment about a former taxi driver named Vernon. As a former employee for a taxi company are you able to ask former colleagues about this man?

I believe the police were on the right track with the taxi driver theory even more than they know. I believe the Claremont serial killer is a man named "Vernon" he drove taxi's around Perth throughout the 90's and well into the 2000s. His friends would know him as quiet man and heavy drinker, his girlfriend died under very suspicious and violent circumstances around 2005-6, no one was every charged. He is presently serving a min of 15yrs gaol after kicking his parents to death with his steel cap boots, in their home. It is rumoured, his father , a retired police officer had information about his sons involvement in the Claremont killings and wasn't going to stay quiet on the matter. I think he is an opportunist and a random killer, and those poor women just fitted his criteria at the time. I don't know that he was ever swabbed for DNA, he was always very good at flying under the radar.

http://www.thestarfish.com.au/the-claremont-killings-16-years-on/

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/tax...r/news-story/4d25ec95e2cda0c7b28732a7383ee309