Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #18

[meticulously]

Frame grab below from channel 7 news showing crime scene KT. Of note is that it appears to be close to a dirt road and there was no attempt to hide the body.

On June 30, 1991 KT accepted a lift from a driver in Victoria Park - vehicle described as dark blue similar to a Datsun 260C which had spoked wheels. This was the last known sighting of KT and her body was found at Canning Dam 4 weeks later.

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/s...der-of-teen-kerry-turner-20160628-gptg4f.html

Spinnaker , yep It does not look like the body has been hidden well . It may be behind a log but only one log by looks.
That is moderately sparse bushland ,
not far off a gravel road intersection .

A few different frames from the link edited .

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/what...r-slam-unfair-cold-case-rewards-ng-b88647236z

 

[meticulously]

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/what...r-slam-unfair-cold-case-rewards-ng-b88647236z

You can see puddles on the road in the shots .
Not good for finding dna .

 

[Canning Vale]

I would love to know what happened to that blue car. When it was gotten rid of. If it was crushed at the tip that would have been a good way of destroying evidence. This sounds a bit macarbre but it would also be a way of destroying and hiding bodies if he had put any in the trunk. MOO

Perhaps if the blue car was used for anything evil, it would have been disposed of years ago.

The VS Commodore didn't seem to be kept for a long period of time. Perhaps, in the past when the media mentioned the model of the car it was sold very quickly and even for a loss!

These are only my thoughts and opinions.

 

[Spinnaker]

Spinnaker , yep It does not look like the body has been hidden well . It may be behind a log but only one log by looks.
That is moderately sparse bushland ,
not far off a gravel road intersection .

A few different frames from the link edited .

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/what...r-slam-unfair-cold-case-rewards-ng-b88647236z

Great photos Met - the area looks quite muddy, I wonder if there were tracks left.

 

[no name]

Quote Spinnaker "Does anyone know what sort of car in accussed driveway?" A suspicious car.

Others have suggested it's a Cortina. I'm not sure, as car looks to have been altered. Looks like it's two tone but that could have come from panel beating.

However, I'm not buying the story by TE that it belonged to CGE (and still in the driveway) and that the accessed and GCE didn't meet until around 1998. That was when they bought Eagles member tickets as a family sitting together. That is a serious commitment (and possibly having to be on a waiting list before getting memberships), to make when you've just met IMO.

IC - how do you know BRE and CGE's family bought their tickets and sat together? They are all listed as being 20 year members suggesting that they all joined the same year, but together? Ive wondered whether the timing they supposedly met (according to Trueblue VI) coinciding with the purchase of the eagles tickets may have been the place they actually met.
Also, although I only vaguely recall TE speaking about the car, Trueblue also stated the car belonged to CGE. I got the impression they weren't that well acquainted with BRE from their posts. Could be wrong.

 

[Canning Vale]

We need a list!


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I can research and upload some samples of cars if I'm given some brand names. How old does everyone think the blue car is - I'd think 20 years.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=126055&stc=1

 

[no name]

I thought that car was identified as a gemini

Previous discussions regarding both the car in the driveway and KT car ID
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...1997-Perth-Western-Australia-8-ARREST*/page20

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...er-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-12/page2

 

[DRT]

I thought that car was identified as a gemini

In all honesty I can only see a gemini out of the car in BRE's driveway. I looked really close at it a while ago and could not see spoke like wheels so really think that car was unrelated to Kerry Turners disappearance.

 

[Innerchild]

IC - how do you know BRE and CGE's family bought their tickets and sat together? They are all listed as being 20 year members suggesting that they all joined the same year, but together? Ive wondered whether the timing they supposedly met (according to Trueblue VI) coinciding with the purchase of the eagles tickets may have been the place they actually met.
Also, although I only vaguely recall TE speaking about the car, Trueblue also stated the car belonged to CGE. I got the impression they weren't that well acquainted with BRE from their posts. Could be wrong.

As far as I'm aware as a WCE member you choose your seats when you join and that's where you sit, you can't change them. You could try to get new memberships close by the original seats, but If you did want to change to sit together with someone and their small child who couldn't be left on their own you would have to go back in the que for a memberships and seats that were together. That's OK if there isn't a que but the Eagles could have people waiting 5 years or more to became members (although not sure how long you would have to wait in 1998 IMO).

Maybe they've got separate memberships and sitting nowhere near each other for 20 years but ??? For WCE members, this is a big commitment and something you plan for IMO.

 

[DRT]

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/what...r-slam-unfair-cold-case-rewards-ng-b88647236z

You can see puddles on the road in the shots .
Not good for finding dna .

Knowing your interest in weather, I attached the Canberra Times prediction for Showers in Perth on 29 July 2017 which imo caused the puddles.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/122374130

 

[Xyz]

Great photos Met - the area looks quite muddy, I wonder if there were tracks left.

I thought her body was found 4 weeks after she went missing - so presumably tracks washed away?

 

[DRT]

Perhaps if the blue car was used for anything evil, it would have been disposed of years ago.

The VS Commodore didn't seem to be kept for a long period of time. Perhaps, in the past when the media mentioned the model of the car it was sold very quickly and even for a loss!

These are only my thoughts and opinions.

I think his Commodore was a Telstra Commodore. It used to be the case that Government cars were only kept a couple of years depending on how much distance they did. The disposal of the car wouldn't have been directly by BRE.

 

[janwa]

With regard to the witness who identified the car which KT accepted a ride from. We don't know how certain that person was, with regard to the make and model. I don't know what models all the cars are.

We also don't know if that was the final lift in the journey, how lucky would you be to be picked up by someone who didn't live in KTs area and be prepared to take you home. Or how unlucky to be picked up by someone who did live in her area that she may have even known and initially felt safe with.

 

[Innerchild]

In all honesty I can only see a gemini out of the car in BRE's driveway. I looked really close at it a while ago and could not see spoke like wheels so really think that car was unrelated to Kerry Turners disappearance.

You mean like this 1979 Holden Gemini? Or the 1987 Holden Gemini?

The car in driveway looked to have wider wheels than normal to me, but the roof line going down to the boot looks different.

Source Google Images: https://www.google.com.au/search?bi....0.0.0....0.UPRbIwSRWMY#imgrc=LXtd4In9AED4JM:

 

[Annalise]

You mean like this 1979 Holden Gemini? Or the 1987 Holden Gemini?

The car in driveway looked to have wider wheels than normal to me, but the roof line going down to the boot looks different.

Source Google Images: https://www.google.com.au/search?bi....0.0.0....0.UPRbIwSRWMY#imgrc=LXtd4In9AED4JM:

Hi IC - back in Websleuths Claremont Killer #8 there is a lot of discussion about the blue Gemini. One poster Sparklingwater 12/25/2016 says the picture of the car on the driveway was taken by Google in 2007! I didn't realise it was there from late 90's to 2007 or longer. I thought it would have been crushed back in late 90's. MOO

 

[no name]

As far as I'm aware as a WCE member you choose your seats when you join and that's where you sit, you can't change them. You could try to get new memberships close by the original seats, but If you did want to change to sit together with someone and their small child who couldn't be left on their own you would have to go back in the que for a memberships and seats that were together..snipped..Maybe they've got separate memberships and sitting nowhere near each other for 20 years but ??? For WCE members, this is a big commitment and something you plan for IMO.

There must be a provision to change your seats when renewing if available. I have friends that have switched in and out of boxes over the years when they've become available and had enough people interested, then dropped them again for regular seats. I know seat swapping goes on also amongst members who dont mind shifting either permanently or for occasional games too
I favour the possibility they joined separately and were seated together randomly & thats how they met given the timing.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

There must be a provision to change your seats when renewing if available. I have friends that have switched in and out of boxes over the years when they've become available and had enough people interested, then dropped them again for regular seats. I know seat swapping goes on also amongst members who dont mind shifting either permanently or for occasional games too
I favour the possibility they joined separately and were seated together randomly & thats how they met given the timing.

Yes.
But did BRE join WCE by himself or with someone?


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[petedavo.au]

I can research and upload some samples of cars if I'm given some brand names. How old does everyone think the blue car is - I'd think 20 years.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=126055&stc=1

Looks like a 1970's Toyota Corona
http://club4ag.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5983
Note the placement of license plate, because that'll rule out many models of cars. Anyhow, IMO this is unlikely the KT abduction vehicle would've been kept after the publicity in 1997, unless the witness got the vehicle wrong. I don't know who the witness is, but I'm inclined to take it with a big grain of salt, because it could well of been the perp who claimed to be a "witness".
The puddles at the dump site is to be expected because there was a huge storm in WA at the time. The Kirki disaster happened that week due to it.
https://www.amsa.gov.au/environment...nt/major-historical-incidents/Kirki/index.asp

It seems that the last paragraph in this story is suggestive that police have reason to be that more than 1 person is involved somehow. Did the witness say how many people were in the car, and police withheld that?
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...h/news-story/e19ebf4e766f223471bfa9e2d15cf6c2
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[Spinnaker]

Looks like a 1970's Toyota Corona
http://club4ag.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5983
Note the placement of license plate, because that'll rule out many models of cars. Anyhow, IMO this is unlikely the KT abduction vehicle would've been kept after the publicity in 1997, unless the witness got the vehicle wrong. I don't know who the witness is, but I'm inclined to take it with a big grain of salt, because it could well of been the perp who claimed to be a "witness".
The puddles at the dump site is to be expected because there was a huge storm in WA at the time. The Kirki disaster happened that week due to it.
https://www.amsa.gov.au/environment...nt/major-historical-incidents/Kirki/index.asp
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Could it have been a yellow Toyota Corona and was painted?


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[Spooks-R-Us]

This is kerry turner bd site .
Frames from todays news video
in link below.

Fixed link here :
https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/what...r-slam-unfair-cold-case-rewards-ng-b88647236z

I'm not sure what it is - but I keep seeing the accused BRE in these pics!!!!!
strange
like he's in the background close to the others, but watching