Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #19

[janwa]

There has been nearly 12 months to charge this guy with other crimes , it has not happened ... as for any cases with similar MOs , the only similarity in at least one of them being Claremont ... they should be reopened as separate cases as has been done with LB who went missing from Northbridge ... To be connected to BRE they have to prove his involvement , not the other way round ... you do not pile them on to him just in case he did it ... This is not how our justice system works , we are not a third world country

If you read my post properly you would have realised I am not talking about BRE per se. I am talking about clusters of murders and abuse in general and the way they are designated and investigated behind the scenes.

This case though could be an example. All this investigating was going on for 20 yrs then the alleged perpetrator is arrested and charged with numerous offences when the police believed they had enough evidence for the charges to stick, which is how it was and how it should be.

 

[Mo Joe]

I think that progress can be made when we decide to put our energy into certain things. The act of focusing on something advances it. The energy on here seems to be stagnant. Either deliberately or accidentally, there are posters who are taking this thread around in circles. jmo

 

[Annalise]

Hi, I have just joined. I have recently been following the threads and am just up to Thread 10 but I wanted to respond to that part re SS. Is it possible KK was used again and that she was placed in a prepared burial site prior to a funeral taking place? Seems a bit out there but would it even go noticed the next day when a coffin was lowered?

Hi Sleuthjustice and welcome - your theory of ss possibly being buried in a prepared funeral site is not that “out there”. A lot of sleuthers have had the same thoughts. It’s certainly possible. MOO

 

[tapdancingbear]

If you read my post properly you would have realised I am not talking about BRE per se. I am talking about clusters of murders and abuse in general and the way they are designated and investigated behind the scenes.

This case though could be an example. All this investigating was going on for 20 yrs then the alleged perpetrator is arrested and charged with numerous offences when the police believed they had enough evidence for the charges to stick, which is how it was and how it should be.

I apologize for misreading you , I should have realized when it said " Response " as there is no need to respond to BRE as he is in custody , and your comment was not related to him in any way... I will take your word that this is how things are done behind the scene , I do not know such things nor would I pretend to
I certainly hope they are reconsidering this method of investigation ... I would not consider 20 years to solve such a serious matter as a successful method

 

[tapdancingbear]

I think that progress can be made when we decide to put our energy into certain things. The act of focusing on something advances it. The energy on here seems to be stagnant. Either deliberately or accidentally, there are posters who are taking this thread around in circles. jmo

I agree , I'm bored with all of this , I shall depart content that I know that the Bad Guy hid behind the grassy knoll where the first moon landing took place , unsure whether it was the fluoride in the water or his alien controllers that caused him to sit through his freemasons meetings pondering how to join the CIA and crash planes into tall buildings... but this is just my opinion

 

[Pandit]

Hi Mo Joe,

I don't understand why any poster on here would deliberately take this thread around in circles, what would be their agenda? To your thoughts on SS, I'd like to hear them would you reconsider sharing?

It's difficult to find new material to discuss when we're getting no new information coming through. I thought some absolutely stellar work was done on the Julie Cutler case to draw on by anybody interested and there's been some great input by many posters on many other aspects surrounding the case.

Drug use may seem irrelevant to some and it's not an excuse but if it does come up at trial, we're not going to be surprised and have a start on it with some links. If the CSK was known to be or suspected as a user at the time it would have opened up a very good line of inquiry for investigators and got them one step closer. The Drug Squad would have been all over it. Forensic psychologists, criminologists, drug and alcohol rehab (health professionals) etc., all have an interest.

I had thought about suggesting compiling a list of all those who were involved in the investigation over the years, from the police to the lab (noted with remarkabilities) and a timeline of reviews and who was involved in them but I'm not sure the mods would approve.

I think that progress can be made when we decide to put our energy into certain things. The act of focusing on something advances it. The energy on here seems to be stagnant. Either deliberately or accidentally, there are posters who are taking this thread around in circles. jmo

 

[Canning Vale]

Hi Mo Joe,

At the moment I'm unable to Reply with Quote....

With regard to your recent post, and the subject going around in circles. Please feel free to upload a post and we can discuss the matter on the forum.

I'd be interested to hear what you have to say. In the past, I don't recall seeing any of your posts except when you've asked for clarification.

I await your post and look forward to what you have to discuss. In the meantime, other posters wish to discuss dug-use and its affects on some individuals.

Kindest regards CV

 

[Canning Vale]

After reading on Serial Killers, the disorder named Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD) gets quite a mention. ASPD is the recognised condition officially associated with Serial Killers. What's interesting is people with the condition have a persistent pattern of exploitative, manipulative behaviours that violate social norms, damage or impair relationships, and infringe upon aspects of other people's personal rights.

Some mental health professionals equate ASPD with the presence of a psychopathic personality, while others believe the two disorders are distinct.

https:/www.psycologytoday.com

 

[Mo Joe]

I've been asked to repeat one of my comments in case it was accidentally deleted in a scuffle between other posters.
This comment is not about SS. It is about GR.
When the discussion was talking about what a person may spend their income on, I suggested, perhaps Fishing, other Hobbies / Sports, and / or Pets.
With regard to pets, it's very possible that Veterinary records would indicate the breed of a dog for instance.
IIRC dog hairs were found on GR? Have they been DNA tested for the breed? Lineage?

 

[Canning Vale]

It's also mentioned the vast majority of people with Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD) abuse drugs and/or alcohol. Evidently many people with substance abuse issues show signs of ASPD.

https://www.elementsbehavioralhealt...use-and-antisocial-personality-disorder-aspd/

 

[Canning Vale]

In the past, some posters have mentioned that BRE has an interned foot. Could it be possible, he was in some sort of an accident as a child and sustained a head injury as well as other injuries (i.e. hip injury which caused an interned foot)

These are only my thought and opinions.

 

[Annalise]

Thought I would share this definition of a Serial Killer

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer

 

[petedavo.au]

In the past, some posters have mentioned that BRE has an interned foot. Could it be possible, he was in some sort of an accident as a child and sustained a head injury as well as other injuries (i.e. hip injury which caused an interned foot)

These are only my thought and opinions.

I'd thought I'd take this opportunity to share another article regarding Professor Adrian Raine's hypothesis that certain areas of the brain, either through head trauma or lack of certain nutrients, or genetic underdevelopment is commonly seen in brain scans that he's been undertaking (and still is BTW) in murderers and serial killers.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brain-scan-can-identify-serial-6641868

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[Canning Vale]

In the past, there have been a couple of posters who have queried sports that the accused CSK may have played. That's aside from Little Athletics and formerly football. It's a shame that we don't know what else BRE was interested in, for example, if he was to have played softball we could possibly ask former softball players what types of vehicles he drove back in the 1990s.

If only we knew what sports he played. These are only my thoughts and opinions.

 

[janwa]

I'd thought I'd take this opportunity to share another article regarding Professor Adrian Raine's hypothesis that certain areas of the brain, either through head trauma or lack of certain nutrients, or genetic underdevelopment is commonly seen in brain scans that he's been undertaking (and still is BTW) in murderers and serial killers.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brain-scan-can-identify-serial-6641868

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This might be of interest homicides from another angle. There is reference to a case I was involved with. When the father was released he was taken straight to detention to await deportation. He had been in Australia since he was seven. In prison he had been trying to see a specialist about a melanoma on his leg. In the UK, with the skills he acquired in prison, he got a job as a chef. He finally got to see someone about the melanoma but it was terminal and he was given a few months to live. I had to get his son over to see him and managed to get airfares, new clothes and spending money out of the department of child protection and the Catholic Church (as the sons abuse had been whilst in these peoples care) and he got to spend some time with his father.

Sometimes it's hard to work out who is the villain /villains of the piece.

 

[janwa]

This might be of interest homicides from another angle. There is reference to a case I was involved with. When the father was released he was taken straight to detention to await deportation. He had been in Australia since he was seven. In prison he had been trying to see a specialist about a melanoma on his leg. In the UK, with the skills he acquired in prison, he got a job as a chef. He finally got to see someone about the melanoma but it was terminal and he was given a few months to live. I had to get his son over to see him and managed to get airfares, new clothes and spending money out of the department of child protection and the Catholic Church (as the sons abuse had been whilst in these peoples care) and he got to spend some time with his father.

Sometimes it's hard to work out who is the villain /villains of the piece.

forgot the article http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/tandi_pdf/tandi103.pdf

 

[Sleuthjustice]

I think the CSK intended to kill the KK victim and leave her body at KK in an established grave lightly covered but for some reason it didn't work out. I think he did this a second time with SS and followed through. There could not have been too many funerals the next day if this possibility needed to be eliminated. Having them at an established sight would give him the option of visiting graves later, without people becoming suspicious. Perhaps this site turned out to be too risky and he changed sites with the other two victims. The only way of eliminating this possibility would be to dig up the graves of people buried the day after SS disappeared. I really hope they can find her.

 

[Mo Joe]

I think the CSK intended to kill the KK victim and leave her body at KK in an established grave lightly covered but for some reason it didn't work out. I think he did this a second time with SS and followed through. There could not have been too many funerals the next day if this possibility needed to be eliminated. Having them at an established sight would give him the option of visiting graves later, without people becoming suspicious. Perhaps this site turned out to be too risky and he changed sites with the other two victims. The only way of eliminating this possibility would be to dig up the graves of people buried the day after SS disappeared. I really hope they can find her.

IIRC it was reported that RZ visited the grave of CG? There have always been suspicions that RZ was murdered? What if RZ saw BRE at the Cemetery?

 

[Canning Vale]

Mo Joe,

I'm still not able to Reply with Quote. With regard to perhaps the CSK, whoever he may be, spotting RZ at CGs funeral.

As funerals are advertised in the newspaper it would have been possible to find out where the service was being held. What do other people think about the CSK attending a funeral and watching from a distance. Would this have been enjoyable for the CSK. Would he have taken that risk? It's also possible to drive into Karrakatta Cemetery. Perhaps he stayed at a distance and made out he was working - fiddling with the telephone cables and watching.

If RZ was a victim of the CSK what motive would there have been? Could it be possible the CSK thought he was close to CG?

Mo Joe are you able to upload a link of RZ - I'm not able too? Some of the new forum members won't know who RZ was.

The timing of RZs death was strangely close to CG and they worked together.

By the way excellent post you've uploaded, thanks.

 

[beyK123]

Could it also be possible that he had intended to murder the KK victim until he became aware of her age? From what I understand, she was only 17 years old at the time of the attack. Maybe he assumed she was older but once he realised her age he couldn’t go through with the murder? Was it mentioned previously that he had gotten a hold of something that indentified her and possibly her age? Just a thought/idea anyway.

Edit: My apologies, this was supposed to be in response to SleuthJutice’s comment regarding the KK victim. Still getting the hang of everything on the forum.