If you mean full analysis had been done on the Kimono st an earlier point in time, surely it would have connected to KK as the first link though?
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Theres a newspaper article im unable to access properly in this link.
A screen shot of the newspaper story would be good if anyone is able to do it . TiA
"Death ride . . . the car in which Masters gave Carty a lift.
head of the NSW unit. Sergeant Peter Marcon, insists there has been progress but year-oid backpacker from London was dead: sexually assaulted and throttled to death... she mentioned a man named David Troy Masters. Fiona Carty was not Masters's first victim, but she will be his last. Masters is serving a life sentence for her murder and will almost certainly die behind bars. But there are still pressing questions about his life. Police in at least three States are convinced there is a strong possibility Masters is responsible for other unsolved disappearances and murders on Australia's lonely highways. Such links are difficult to establish because police are being denied access to information they believe would allow them to track his movements during the late 1980s and early '90s.
Northern Territory detectives have been refused access to Masters's social security records which show where and when he collected dole cheques during those years as he roamed from State to State, mostly in stolen cars.
If Masters was known to be in the area at the time of a disappearance, police believe it would be worth investigating his possible involvement.
Fiona Carty's camera which Masters pawned.
David Troy Masters . . . police in three States believe he could assist their inquiries.
The reason the David Masters case is so important to police is that it is indicative of the gap which exists between a missing person inquiry, which is not a crime, and establishing evidence of criminal activity. What police do know about Masters, based largely on statements taken from other travellers who met him, paints a grim picture which points towards other crimes. Masters tried to impress people by pretending he was a successful tourist-resort manager who had money and liked to travel. In reality, he was a loner who lived on social security benefits and frequented budget accommodation. On one occasion, Masters drove a stolen car more than 11,000 kilometres in a month. In the days before he murdered Fiona Carty, the then 26-year-old from Brisbane twice drove a stolen car between Sydney and Darwin, via Ayers Rock. ence on missing persons. nology has been underutilised. Superintendent Jon Simms, a Northern Territory police officer who investigated the Carty murder, is forthright about his concerns. "How many more people are there who, like Masters, take advantage of the vastness of Australia to commit crimes and then hide in that vastness?
Which he had just committed a murder. The next morning, he checked out and drove back to Darwin.
On May 27, Masters made the mistake which ultimately led to his capture: he pawned Fiona's Carty's Minolta camera for $200. When he was arrested one month later, the redemption ticket was still in his wallet. Fiona Carty's remains were discovered by police on June 11.
Four days later, Masters was stopped in Broome, Western Australia, and arrested for stealing the Commodore. Police did not connect Masters with the Carty investigation until it was discovered he had a record of skipping bail. Inside the car, police found Fiona's lunchbox, sleeping bag and a travel guide. AT FIRST, Masters denied even knowing Fiona Carty but later confessed to the crime. He eventually pleaded guilty to carnal knowledge and murder, and was sentenced to life imprisonment on November 20 by the Northern Territory Supreme Court. Publicity surrounding the case sparked the interest of West Australian CIB homicide detectives who had been involved four years earlier in the investigation of the murder of a woman. On September 11, 1987, Victoria Heather Clarke was found naked and strangled in her flat in the inner Perth suburb of Victoria Park. A post mortem revealed she had died of asphyxiation; she had been violently sexually assaulted. The name Masters sparked police interest because he had lived in the same block of flats as Clarke and had been interviewed during the investigation.
On July 2, 1992, police flew to Darwin to interview Masters.
During the interview, recorded on videotape, Masters admitted the crime.
If he is ever released from the Darwin prison, Masters will be extradited back to WA to face court over the murder of Victoria Clarke.
A Perth detective, Senior Constable John Lindley, was the last to handle the Victoria Clarke case before the books were closed. He agrees that a combination of muddled privacy laws and a lack of national police co-operation combined to make many homicide investigations difficult. "Our intelligence officers were very frustrated trying to track the movement of Masters, partly because each State police force has its own methods and reporting techniques which make transfer of information difficult," Detective Lindley told the Herald. "There have been attempts over the years to establish a national system but it really hasn't got anywhere." The Victorian police force has In five cases known to police, Masters went to backpacker hostels and obtained details of women asking for transport.
He would then approach them and offer to take them with him for little or no cost It was the same method he used to meet Fiona Carty, who had arrived in Australia in February 1991 with plans to tackle the unknown and backpack around the vast continent.
On May 10, Fiona arrived in Darwin. As was common practice among budget travellers, she tacked a note on a hostel notice-board requesting a lift.
Masters, who arrived in Darwin about the same time, read the notice and offered to take her with him. Though hesitant, she agreed and on May 25 Masters, picked her up from the hostel in a blue Holden Commodore sedan, later discovered to have been stolen.
The pair drove south to Katherine, 330 km from Darwin, where they booked into a hostel.
That night, Masters accosted Fiona and demanded sex.
She struggled so he sat on her stomach, pinning her under his 110 kg frame, and strangled her.
Masters carried her body out to his car and drove 45 km north to an isolated camping ground where he concealed Fiona near a creek bank. He then drove back to Katherine and slept...."
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/120367400/
Theres a newspaper article im unable to access properly in this link.
A screen shot of the newspaper story would be good if anyone is able to do it . TiA
"Death ride . . . the car in which Masters gave Carty a lift.
head of the NSW unit. Sergeant Peter Marcon, insists there has been progress but year-oid backpacker from London was dead: sexually assaulted and throttled to death... she mentioned a man named David Troy Masters. Fiona Carty was not Masters's first victim, but she will be his last. Masters is serving a life sentence for her murder and will almost certainly die behind bars. But there are still pressing questions about his life. Police in at least three States are convinced there is a strong possibility Masters is responsible for other unsolved disappearances and murders on Australia's lonely highways. Such links are difficult to establish because police are being denied access to information they believe would allow them to track his movements during the late 1980s and early '90s.
Northern Territory detectives have been refused access to Masters's social security records which show where and when he collected dole cheques during those years as he roamed from State to State, mostly in stolen cars.
If Masters was known to be in the area at the time of a disappearance, police believe it would be worth investigating his possible involvement.
Fiona Carty's camera which Masters pawned.
David Troy Masters . . . police in three States believe he could assist their inquiries.
The reason the David Masters case is so important to police is that it is indicative of the gap which exists between a missing person inquiry, which is not a crime, and establishing evidence of criminal activity. What police do know about Masters, based largely on statements taken from other travellers who met him, paints a grim picture which points towards other crimes. Masters tried to impress people by pretending he was a successful tourist-resort manager who had money and liked to travel. In reality, he was a loner who lived on social security benefits and frequented budget accommodation. On one occasion, Masters drove a stolen car more than 11,000 kilometres in a month. In the days before he murdered Fiona Carty, the then 26-year-old from Brisbane twice drove a stolen car between Sydney and Darwin, via Ayers Rock. ence on missing persons. nology has been underutilised. Superintendent Jon Simms, a Northern Territory police officer who investigated the Carty murder, is forthright about his concerns. "How many more people are there who, like Masters, take advantage of the vastness of Australia to commit crimes and then hide in that vastness?
Which he had just committed a murder. The next morning, he checked out and drove back to Darwin.
On May 27, Masters made the mistake which ultimately led to his capture: he pawned Fiona's Carty's Minolta camera for $200. When he was arrested one month later, the redemption ticket was still in his wallet. Fiona Carty's remains were discovered by police on June 11.
Four days later, Masters was stopped in Broome, Western Australia, and arrested for stealing the Commodore. Police did not connect Masters with the Carty investigation until it was discovered he had a record of skipping bail. Inside the car, police found Fiona's lunchbox, sleeping bag and a travel guide. AT FIRST, Masters denied even knowing Fiona Carty but later confessed to the crime. He eventually pleaded guilty to carnal knowledge and murder, and was sentenced to life imprisonment on November 20 by the Northern Territory Supreme Court. Publicity surrounding the case sparked the interest of West Australian CIB homicide detectives who had been involved four years earlier in the investigation of the murder of a woman. On September 11, 1987, Victoria Heather Clarke was found naked and strangled in her flat in the inner Perth suburb of Victoria Park. A post mortem revealed she had died of asphyxiation; she had been violently sexually assaulted. The name Masters sparked police interest because he had lived in the same block of flats as Clarke and had been interviewed during the investigation.
On July 2, 1992, police flew to Darwin to interview Masters.
During the interview, recorded on videotape, Masters admitted the crime.
If he is ever released from the Darwin prison, Masters will be extradited back to WA to face court over the murder of Victoria Clarke.
A Perth detective, Senior Constable John Lindley, was the last to handle the Victoria Clarke case before the books were closed. He agrees that a combination of muddled privacy laws and a lack of national police co-operation combined to make many homicide investigations difficult. "Our intelligence officers were very frustrated trying to track the movement of Masters, partly because each State police force has its own methods and reporting techniques which make transfer of information difficult," Detective Lindley told the Herald. "There have been attempts over the years to establish a national system but it really hasn't got anywhere." The Victorian police force has In five cases known to police, Masters went to backpacker hostels and obtained details of women asking for transport.
He would then approach them and offer to take them with him for little or no cost It was the same method he used to meet Fiona Carty, who had arrived in Australia in February 1991 with plans to tackle the unknown and backpack around the vast continent.
On May 10, Fiona arrived in Darwin. As was common practice among budget travellers, she tacked a note on a hostel notice-board requesting a lift.
Masters, who arrived in Darwin about the same time, read the notice and offered to take her with him. Though hesitant, she agreed and on May 25 Masters, picked her up from the hostel in a blue Holden Commodore sedan, later discovered to have been stolen.
The pair drove south to Katherine, 330 km from Darwin, where they booked into a hostel.
That night, Masters accosted Fiona and demanded sex.
She struggled so he sat on her stomach, pinning her under his 110 kg frame, and strangled her.
Masters carried her body out to his car and drove 45 km north to an isolated camping ground where he concealed Fiona near a creek bank. He then drove back to Katherine and slept...."
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/120367400/
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He was not charged until he was arrested for the other crime in the NT.
[/FONT][FONT="]In 1998, he was extradited to WA and handed a second life imprisonment term for killing Ms Clarke, with a seven-year non-parole period.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The judge who jailed Masters for the murder of Ms Clarke described the killing as savage and unrelenting.[/FONT]
[FONT="]I would not have contemplated that you would ever be released on parole, the judge said.[/FONT]
[FONT="]This week (March 2015), the WA Prisoners Review Board (PRB) handed a report to Attorney-General Michael Mischin recommending Masters not be released.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The board must compile a report on his suitability for release every three years.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...s-in-jail-ng-caabadc94c068367a745b2fea510be56
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Note that they have the date of VC's murder incorrect. It was September 10th or 11th 1987, I think.
He should be up for parole again this month. 20 years since he was sentenced for VC's murder and after serving 7 years for British student Fiona Carty's death
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This video contains news reports of when Ciara first went missing. The first time they started promoting the serial killer idea on MSM as at the time of these reports there were 3 missing girls. It also contains some interviews with a Psychologist and of course, Paul Ferguson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGUH4prJcXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGUH4prJcXc
maybe cops went in first in a raid in undercover cars to not tip off the accused which caused the occupants to scream andthen conspicious police vehicles and forensics arrived an hour later to start processing the scene. The cops who put him under arrest would need to secure the suspect/occupants and premises and of course read him his rights etc. that would take time.
Thanks heaps Met.
Very clear that Masters made direct admissions. I'm starting to think the cops may have made another epic tactical error in linking the kimono to Victoria Clarke's murder.
If the kimono did come from inside BRE's house, who in there is going to admit it knowing it's being connected to a sexually motivated murder?
Anybody, close friend or family who suspected Bradley of being responsible for the Huntingdale attack would probably have closed ranks.
Very clear that Masters made direct admissions. I'm starting to think the cops may have made another epic tactical error in linking the kimono to Victoria Clarke's murder.
If the kimono did come from inside BRE's house, who in there is going to admit it knowing it's being connected to a sexually motivated murder?
Anybody, close friend or family who suspected Bradley of being responsible for the Huntingdale attack would probably have closed ranks.
I'd have to think that there was no connection made to the VC crime nor Masters via the Kimono in the police file. If it were, when the investigation to extradite & prosecute him around '98 for a violent sexual assault & murder, the question of 'is this guy responsible for any of the other sex attacks' surely would have been raised and the kimono sent off for thorough testing shortly after the CSK murders. If so, they'd have known very early in the investigation that the kimono linked to KK at least. In later years CG would have been linked to both crimes.
Even if they did check Masters against the kimono in whatever primitive form of testing was available to them at the time & found nothing to connect him, discounting any further testing of the kimono in regard to VC, something had to have already been in the database regarding the kimono very early.
Either the Kimono link to VC was media related only & not something ever considered seriously at all by police. Or, it was very quickly dismissed as having been related and put back into the huntingdale file to gather dust. Either way, if it was tested at all it would have been in the database already would it not?
Even if they did check Masters against the kimono in whatever primitive form of testing was available to them at the time & found nothing to connect him, discounting any further testing of the kimono in regard to VC, something had to have already been in the database regarding the kimono very early.
Either the Kimono link to VC was media related only & not something ever considered seriously at all by police. Or, it was very quickly dismissed as having been related and put back into the huntingdale file to gather dust. Either way, if it was tested at all it would have been in the database already would it not?
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I'm not sure if full analysis was done in 1988 or at some later time. But no connection was being made to any crimes after 1991 in Perth, as they "had their man" associated with the kimono.
There wasn't a co-ordinated data base and no connection backwards from KK to a non Claremont crime until a review sponsored by and reported in The Post by retired USA forensic cop Caldwell. This is only what I believe, as I haven't been able to find the online post link that reported on this.
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Very good point!
Yep, the neighbours didnt realise that when all the cars started arriving the police had it secured already. The screaming is the hut hut crew who dont just rock up and park at the front of your house alerting you they're about to break you door down with a ramming pole. They'd probably have been parked in a side street and as soon as they were in & they'd secured the house, the call would have been sent out for whoever else needed to roll in. Then the hut hut crew leave & more and more teams of police keep coming in & out.
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"Their man" for VC is David Troy Masters. However it is not his DNA on the kimono, allegedly. The Post was instrumental in identifying links between the rape at KK and the CSK through pressure being kept on cops to widen their focus and keep the case to the forefront. The Post sponsored (paid for them to come to Perth) their own expert, then retired USA Cpt David Caldwell to review the case. It's my memory of the report that Caldwell identified the Huntingdale attack and kimono as being connected. I don't believe anyone else had made a non-Claremont crime connection until this time.
Caldwell was one of the early FBI profilers that contributed in the early stages of the investigation.
The Age. Sunday April 12 1997, pg 11
snipped Captain David Caldwell South Carolina Police Services. He trained in forensic psychology with FBI specialising in profiling of violent criminals. He says the Perth killer falls into the most pathological category.
Capt Caldwell said the abductions, especially the third amid increased security pointed to a brazen and intelligent criminal.
"When this person is arrested, people are going to be absolutely astounded. (They will say) "I work with this person. He is my next door neighbour. It can't be".
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Unsung hero Bret Christian and "The Post" newspaper - should be nominated for West Australian of the Year!
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:truce: Meanwhile back at the Thread..... Let's all get back to sleuthing (yes, I am aware of the irony in ME saying this!) but I am trying to learn my lesson and stay on track.
CV ignore the irrelevant and get your teeth into these stats
https://www.police.wa.gov.au/Crime/CrimeStatistics#/
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Janwa,
Many thanks for the link on crime statistics. Would anyone have any nationwide comparisons? I’d like to see how WA compares with the other states.
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I know Stephen Hawking has just "shuffled off this mortal coil" but he taught us all about Black Holes. Well here's one that's going to form in our WA legal system with the preparation for trial of the accused BRE. Got a spare $1.5 million lying around anywhere you could kick in?
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...lack-hole-ng-883b8c46358592a016da72c79e0fa1ab
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...lack-hole-ng-883b8c46358592a016da72c79e0fa1ab
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I have never heard the full true life crime story of Debi Marshall, the author of the CSK book "The Devil's Garden". She is one amazing lady, and the dogged determination to catch the killer of her partner, just incredible! And it took over 20 years to see justice.
QUOTE from the story below:
http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...r/news-story/3105276c2d9d5108d3a8f3b592c67410
QUOTE from the story below:
[FONT=&]"During the trial last year Ms Marshall revealed Standage had tried to offer her money to keep quiet after Mr Jarvis’s body was found and when she refused he then threatened her.[/FONT][FONT=&]During Standage’s sentencing hearing she then told Standage; “You underestimated my loyalty and love for Ron. And you underestimated me.[/FONT][FONT=&]“You Stephen Standage are a double murderer, a waster and a Judas. I hope you never again see the sky as a free man.”[/FONT]
http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...r/news-story/3105276c2d9d5108d3a8f3b592c67410
Quote Paul Roland:
"Typically the organised serial killer will possess average or above average intelligence, be socially and sexually competent, prefer skilled work and will have been the older sibling in a large family....would probably be living with a partner, own a decent well maintained reliable car, but be under stress at home or work.....FBI agent Roger Depue explained "the organised offender enjoys the predatory aspect of killing.....because he is so skilled it is difficult to catch him. And when he is caught, everyone says 'I can't believe he did it '."
There's more to this excerpt from "In The Minds Of Murderers" but I think this sums up the discussion about intelligence, addresses the timing of the escalation to murder (relationship troubles) and some other areas where BRE may fit the bill ("big" family excluded).
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I'be only caught up to here, so I don't know if anyone else has a better idea or the same answer posted. Apologies if so.
Anyway your scenario is interesting. Would it be different, if you knew that her sister Katrina was once a WA Police Psychologist? Do you think if she had concerns, that she might go to her instead?
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It would be interesting to know how much time was spent in the sister in laws company and whether the CSK subject ever arose , although to be fair her Psychologist role may have been in helping police deal with problems and not so much crime related
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