Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #21

[Spinnaker]

Any ideas where he parked - on a corner?

Perhaps up one of the side streets near Rowe Park.


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[janwa]

The brazenness of it [h=1]HOUGH -v- THE STATE OF WESTERN AUSTRALIA [2018] WASCA 20[/h]

• At the time of the offences the offender was a 55-year old male, 190 centimetres tall and of heavy build while the victim was a 24-year old female, 160 centimetres tall and of medium build. In the early hours of the morning on Wednesday, 31 December 2014, the victim had been out drinking with friends and was walking to the Perth train station. She went into an alleyway along Elder Street in West Perth.The offender was conducting traffic management duties on the Hay Street Bridge. He left his vehicle for a short period of time and walked into the nearby alleyway where he came across the victim. The offender spoke to the victim and asked where she was going. The victim replied that she was going to the train station. The offender told the victim that she was not going anywhere. Without warning he pushed her backwards, causing her to collide with the wall of the nearby building.
  The offender struggled with the victim and she kicked and screamed. During the struggle, the offender forcefully digitally penetrated the victim's vagina and that sexual penetration without consent is count 1 on the indictment. The offender leaned over the victim and used his weight to hold her down. She continued to kick and fight and managed to get back on her feet.
  The victim ran away - excuse me - the victim ran from the alleyway leaving her handbag and some items of clothing, including shorts and underwear behind. The victim made her way to the Duxton Hotel on St George's Terrace where she reported what had happened to her. The police were called and attended the hotel.
  The offender collected the handbag and clothing before returning to his vehicle. He told his work colleague that he had found the bag in an alleyway near a puddle of what he thought was urine and that he believed someone had gone to the toilet in the alleyway leaving their underwear and bag behind.
  The offender looked through the handbag and located the victim's identification, including her address. He told his colleague that he might drop the bag home to her - excuse me - to the owner. Later that morning, the offender drove to the victim's home address. On the way to her address, the offender removed the victim's blue Samsung Galaxy 5 mobile telephone from the bag and subsequently removed the battery and memory card from the telephone. He also threw the victim's shorts and underwear out onto the Warwick Road off ramp from the Mitchell Freeway.
  On arriving at the victim's address, the offender handed the victim's bag and its contents other than the mobile phone to the victim's father. The victim subsequently went through her bag and discovered that her mobile telephone was missing.
  As a result of subsequent inquiries with the victim's father and with the offender's work colleagues, police attended the offender's home address at approximately 3.30 pm that afternoon. The offender initially denied having the victim's phone but after a discussion with police, he directed the police to his parked vehicle where the mobile telephone was located in the centre console with the battery removed.
  The offender denied removing the battery from the phone to prevent it being tracked and claimed to have removed the phone from the bag in order to look through it for a number or an address. He denied any involvement in the sexual assault on the victim and told the police that he found the bag on the ground when he went down the side street.
  He told police about having thrown the victim's underwear onto the Warwick Road off ramp in order to avoid embarrassment for the victim. The mobile telephone was returned to the victim who subsequently discovered that the memory card was missing from the phone.

 

[KrissyJ]

Rowe park and the carp park that the victims drivers licence was found

The previous article said the masturbating individual was 15 metres from Gugeri street near where the Karrakkata rape victims card was found

https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Rowe+Park,+Claremont+WA+6010/@-31.9791701,115.7861698,151m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x2a32a44922fddc5d:0x6d83a8b008c7f2d5!8m2!3d-31.9792837!4d115.786179


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[Pandit]

Scratch that @PeteDavo thanks, Julie disappeared on a Sunday night early hours of the morning Monday. 19/20 June 1988.

Very interesting PD, thank you.

Any chance of finding out if there was speedway or derby on the night Julie Cutler vanished? Or drags? Suspect the person who put her Fiat into the ocean of fancying himself as a competent hoon driver with an interest in fast cars.

 

[petedavo.au]

Petedavo - OMG THANK YOU - you have made my day! For the past year I have been trying to find out if the Speedway was on 26 Jan 1996. I can’t believe you found this reference!

When I first joined WS a year ago I told the story of how I had been working in a big old house in Claremont on 26 Jan 1996. I remember it being very noisy. Also the office in the house was very hot. I realise now that Sarah Spiers would have been quite close to where I was
on Gugiery St. I remember feeling very ill for two weeks and feeling very emotional. The sickness stopped after two weeks. It was so strange.

A lot of people said I was wrong that there was no Speedway that night. But there was yay!

Yes, I remember your post, and the responses. I was sure then, that you wouldn't of mistaken that fact, and have been looking for confirmation since.


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[Aroundthecorner]

Map showing proximity of Claremont Showgrounds/ Speedway to Rowe Park:

Don’t take this the wrong way, but the Speedway seems like a very likely way for a Gosnells bogan to familiarise himself with the Claremont area than him becoming part of the western suburbs social scene.

I say familiarise because from what we read the CSK appeared to be comfortable with the area, and if it is BRE, Claremont and Gosnells were polar opposites.

As someone who was around the same age as the missing girls but who grew up with and mostly socialised with others from a low socio-economic area south east of the river, for me frequenting Claremont was as foreign to me as visiting a different country, and on the rare occasions I did, it was with people I didn’t know well but who had at least one connection in that area and every time I felt exceptionally out of place.

I didn’t belong, I wasn’t part of that western suburbs set, I didn’t have a private school education or nice car, none of my family went to uni etc. in fact, I remember being stopped an RBT near UWA one night around the mid-90s and the cop looked at my licence and said words to the effect of, what are YOU doing HERE? You’re a long way from home. I wasn’t really ( certainly not as far as Gosnells) but I was from a very ‘different’ area.

As someone from Gosnells, to go to one of those pubs, even as a bloke on your own, would have been very odd. Why would you go there? (Well, we know why he might have, but yeah).

Even just a couple of weeks ago a friend asked if I wanted to check out the Claremont Quarter, a relatively newish, very upmarket shopping development.

Now I’m grown up with a job and a degree and a house and I immediately found myself laughing off her suggestion that we go there (esp after she told me we couldn’t just wear tracksuit pants, that everyone there had had plastic surgery and wore designer clothes to do their shopping) and I was like “no, no, I’m not worthy! Can’t go there! Belmont Forum for me methinks!”

The point of this is the speedway suggestion seems to be an excellent possible factor. Gosh, they even moved the speedway cos Claremont people didn’t want it there anymore lol can’t have that dirty noisy place in OUR neighbourhood!


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[meticulously]

Perhaps up one of the side streets near Rowe Park.


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Perhaps reserve st

 

[nini83]

I don’t think the chief prosecutor is related to the car family. It appears this may just be the same surname.

Perth was a population of 1 million people, but right now the whole thing is coming into 1 degree of separation.

There is going to be a few people connecting the dots as the court information spills to the streets.

The potential too, is the relationships might come that close that it could be considered a conflict of interest for the chief prosecutor and the trial start again.

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[petedavo.au]

I'm going to contradict myself from an earlier post saying people put to much into coincidences

I may not be correct but I seem to recall JR was last seen at 12.15 am
CG was seen at 12.14 am ... or vice versa

I may be totally wrong with those times but if not it would fit in with someone leaving from the same place and arriving at the same time ... for eg finished work at such and such a time , arrived in Claremont at this time ... finish times are fairly standard on the hour or half hour ... it may mean something , it may not

How long does it take for car racing teams to pack up after the speedway, talk about the night with each other, friends, family and support crew, and leave?
I remember as a little kid going to the speedway with my uncle, and my aunty nagging him about leaving at 11:30pm, and we were only spectators.

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[lampformypath]

The brazenness of it HOUGH -v- THE STATE OF WESTERN AUSTRALIA [2018] WASCA 20

• At the time of the offences the offender was a 55-year old male, 190 centimetres tall and of heavy build while the victim was a 24-year old female, 160 centimetres tall and of medium build. In the early hours of the morning on Wednesday, 31 December 2014, the victim had been out drinking with friends and was walking to the Perth train station. She went into an alleyway along Elder Street in West Perth.The offender was conducting traffic management duties on the Hay Street Bridge. He left his vehicle for a short period of time and walked into the nearby alleyway where he came across the victim. The offender spoke to the victim and asked where she was going. The victim replied that she was going to the train station. The offender told the victim that she was not going anywhere. Without warning he pushed her backwards, causing her to collide with the wall of the nearby building.
  The offender struggled with the victim and she kicked and screamed. During the struggle, the offender forcefully digitally penetrated the victim's vagina and that sexual penetration without consent is count 1 on the indictment. The offender leaned over the victim and used his weight to hold her down. She continued to kick and fight and managed to get back on her feet.
  The victim ran away - excuse me - the victim ran from the alleyway leaving her handbag and some items of clothing, including shorts and underwear behind. The victim made her way to the Duxton Hotel on St George's Terrace where she reported what had happened to her. The police were called and attended the hotel.
  The offender collected the handbag and clothing before returning to his vehicle. He told his work colleague that he had found the bag in an alleyway near a puddle of what he thought was urine and that he believed someone had gone to the toilet in the alleyway leaving their underwear and bag behind.
  The offender looked through the handbag and located the victim's identification, including her address. He told his colleague that he might drop the bag home to her - excuse me - to the owner. Later that morning, the offender drove to the victim's home address. On the way to her address, the offender removed the victim's blue Samsung Galaxy 5 mobile telephone from the bag and subsequently removed the battery and memory card from the telephone. He also threw the victim's shorts and underwear out onto the Warwick Road off ramp from the Mitchell Freeway.
  On arriving at the victim's address, the offender handed the victim's bag and its contents other than the mobile phone to the victim's father. The victim subsequently went through her bag and discovered that her mobile telephone was missing.
  As a result of subsequent inquiries with the victim's father and with the offender's work colleagues, police attended the offender's home address at approximately 3.30 pm that afternoon. The offender initially denied having the victim's phone but after a discussion with police, he directed the police to his parked vehicle where the mobile telephone was located in the centre console with the battery removed.
  The offender denied removing the battery from the phone to prevent it being tracked and claimed to have removed the phone from the bag in order to look through it for a number or an address. He denied any involvement in the sexual assault on the victim and told the police that he found the bag on the ground when he went down the side street.
  He told police about having thrown the victim's underwear onto the Warwick Road off ramp in order to avoid embarrassment for the victim. The mobile telephone was returned to the victim who subsequently discovered that the memory card was missing from the phone.

Say what??? So is this a cop we're talking about having done this? "the offender was conducting traffic management". That is just mind-blowing to read, the complete arrogance and disregard for his victim, and the lack of any fear of detection (prosecution?) to go around to the victim's house and hand her bag to the poor woman's father?? Power mad/lust driven! Heaven only knows what he would end up doing if he wasn't stopped? Presuming he was stopped?

 

[petedavo.au]

I wonder why he wasn’t allowed to talk about the accused?


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Standard instruction police give to potential witnesses that maybe called to court to preserve their memories from being influenced by the reactions of other people to what they might say. IMO

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[El Gordo]

How long does it take for car racing teams to pack up after the speedway, talk about the night with each other, friends, family and support crew, and leave?
I remember as a little kid going to the speedway with my uncle, and my aunty nagging him about leaving at 11:30pm, and we were only spectators.

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That would depend entirely on their race program , I think some early competitors would start to leave long before it was over to avoid traffic etc ... a lot of competitors are not good spectators

I also gave further thought to my original comment ... SP vanished after the Australia day holiday ... if the offender worked in the hospitality industry their work place may have had extended trading hours because of the sky show ... she was last seen or heard from just after the hour ...2.09 am I think ... about the same time after the hour as JR and CG

 

[lampformypath]

Don’t take this the wrong way, but the Speedway seems like a very likely way for a Gosnells bogan to familiarise himself with the Claremont area than him becoming part of the western suburbs social scene.

I say familiarise because from what we read the CSK appeared to be comfortable with the area, and if it is BRE, Claremont and Gosnells were polar opposites.

As someone who was around the same age as the missing girls but who grew up with and mostly socialised with others from a low socio-economic area south east of the river, for me frequenting Claremont was as foreign to me as visiting a different country, and on the rare occasions I did, it was with people I didn’t know well but who had at least one connection in that area and every time I felt exceptionally out of place.

I didn’t belong, I wasn’t part of that western suburbs set, I didn’t have a private school education or nice car, none of my family went to uni etc. in fact, I remember being stopped an RBT near UWA one night around the mid-90s and the cop looked at my licence and said words to the effect of, what are YOU doing HERE? You’re a long way from home. I wasn’t really ( certainly not as far as Gosnells) but I was from a very ‘different’ area.

As someone from Gosnells, to go to one of those pubs, even as a bloke on your own, would have been very odd. Why would you go there? (Well, we know why he might have, but yeah).

Even just a couple of weeks ago a friend asked if I wanted to check out the Claremont Quarter, a relatively newish, very upmarket shopping development.

Now I’m grown up with a job and a degree and a house and I immediately found myself laughing off her suggestion that we go there (esp after she told me we couldn’t just wear tracksuit pants, that everyone there had had plastic surgery and wore designer clothes to do their shopping) and I was like “no, no, I’m not worthy! Can’t go there! Belmont Forum for me methinks!”

The point of this is the speedway suggestion seems to be an excellent possible factor. Gosh, they even moved the speedway cos Claremont people didn’t want it there anymore lol can’t have that dirty noisy place in OUR neighbourhood!


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Thanks Aroundthecorner for your honesty and for the VERY real "issues" you had/have/had (?) with the Claremont set. I'm hearing ya, born in Freo (BEFORE it was trendy!) and teen years in Hami Hill, not cool! Ditto the feelings of "not being in that class" BUT having said that, our accused, must have surely felt himself very much a man on the way up with a wife who was a well educated lawyer and moving in those upper circles with her. I don't think he felt in any way that he didn't belong, this was WHERE he belonged! Puffed up with pride and bravado. He could easily move from the rev heads to the rich (in his mind anyway), he probably called himself an Engineer working in electronics and communications or some such title. Thanks though for the glimpse back into my past, and all that angst. And congrats on your Degree (see I gave it the capital D it deserves!), good job and home! And next time you're invited to Claremont you go, and have a nice Chai Latte with the best of 'em!!

 

[Pandit]

Just to note that while Claremont Speedway may have been the most convenient for BRE to go to and which were on a Friday night, there was also on other nights Ellensbrook Speedway, Bunbury Speedway and Kalgoorlie Speedway. No idea how dedicated BRE was as a speedway fan and if he travelled for meets but Lisa Govan disappeared from Kalgoorlie.

 

[El Gordo]

Just to note that while Claremont Speedway may have been the most convenient for BRE to go to and which were on a Friday night, there was also on other nights Ellensbrook Speedway, Bunbury Speedway and Kalgoorlie Speedway. No idea how dedicated BRE was as a speedway fan and if he travelled for meets but Lisa Govan disappeared from Kalgoorlie.

Ok , first of all im not saying there is anything in this , but if i recall correctly Lisa Govan went missing from the Gypsy Jokers headquarters in Kalgoolie

The Jokers headquarters in Perth is in Maddington ... there may have been some mutual friends

 

[Pandit]

Lisa Govan didn't go missing from the Gypsy Jokers clubhouse, she'd been seen out the front earlier but was last seen near The Foundry hotel bottle shop.

The clubhouse has been raided two or three times iirc, clothes were taken away and none of them were Lisa's. While many might assume, given their reputations that it's obvious the bikers had something to do with her disappearance, imo it isn't necessarily so.

A doccy on her disappearance should be released soon, it might offer some more clues.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...eal-agony-ng-5c3654df079a092ed9f3a29960b8844e

Ok , first of all im not saying there is anything in this , but if i recall correctly Lisa Govan went missing from the Gypsy Jokers headquarters in Kalgoolie

The Jokers headquarters in Perth is in Maddington ... there may have been some mutual friends

 

[petedavo.au]

File for later.
https://twitter.com/PiddingtonSoc/status/842320337626787840

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[petedavo.au]

Just to note that while Claremont Speedway may have been the most convenient for BRE to go to and which were on a Friday night, there was also on other nights Ellensbrook Speedway, Bunbury Speedway and Kalgoorlie Speedway. No idea how dedicated BRE was as a speedway fan and if he travelled for meets but Lisa Govan disappeared from Kalgoorlie.

I think most other speedways at the time, we're during the day, due to lack of lighting.
Forrestfield speedway was on Saturdays I think. Most other metropolitan speedways like Orange Grove and Wattle Grove had shut down in the 70's. Ellenbrook is still going.
I remember it being a big thing when I was a kid. Seemed every other person had a racecar. There was a house down the road from my Nanna is East Cannington who had a race cars on trailers. I think his name was Panizza. My Venturers leader was a former Bunbury speedway driver. His son drove at Wattle Grove. His assistant was driving super mods, but had changed to rally driving.
Every time I caught train into town it passed Blake Gearboxes opposite Welshpool station, which had race cars being parked out the back. Apparently the Blake Brothers Allan and Barry, were big-time into race driving at Claremont, even 1 their kids, Brad. I think the other was Tim and he got into it too for a bit. I think it was Tim who was at my high school. Brad made a name for himself driving I believe. I wonder what happened to Tim though?


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[janwa]

Aroundthecorner I am sorry that you grew up with such low self esteem but please don't categorise a whole suburb as having feelings of inadequacy to the point it would curtail the residents from going to Claremont. My 2 older boys were both TV models and would go anywhere and they also knew the Edwards brothers. As someone once said life is a box of chocolates.


History of Claremont Speedway with reasons for moving

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claremont_Speedway

Barriers and fences were improved over time to prevent out of control vehicles from entering the spectator areas. During its 72-year operation the speedway hosted numerous Western Australian championships as well as national championships including the Australian Sprintcar Championship, the Australian Speedcar Championship, the Australian Super Sedan Championship, the Australian Solo Championship, and the Australian Sidecar Championship.[SUP][1][/SUP] The speedway also hosted various rounds of the World Series Sprintcars. Claremont hosted the first ever round of the inaugural World Series Sprintcars on 1 December 1987.
The Speedway was 586 metres (641 yards) in length. This made it the largest continually used speedway in an Australian state capital with the next biggest being the 509 metres (557 yards) Sydney Showground Speedwaywhich closed for regular meetings in 1980 (the Royal Melbourne Showgrounds track was 610 metres (670 yards) long but it was only used infrequently, hosting at best one meeting per season). In its early days, the Claremont track was in fact larger than what it ended up as (approximately 650 metres (710 yards)). However, the track was taken over to include seating in the spectator areas and was relaid to its 586 metre length.[SUP][2][/SUP]
Soon after the development of the circuit records were set[SUP][3][/SUP]
In 1987, Claremont Speedway held the first, and to date only, Sprintcar World Championship. The three-day meeting featured the top drivers from Australia, New Zealand, as well as drivers from America's famed World of Outlaws series, and the youngest driver in the event, 15-year-old Jeff Gordon. The event was won by legendary Australian driver Garry Rush from local Perth driver Alf Barbagallo, with American driver Danny Lasoskifinishing third.[SUP][4][/SUP]
After 72 years of operation, the Speedway closed after the 1999/2000 season and the sport moved to a new, 500 metres (550 yards) venue at the Quit Motorplex, near Kwinana which opened in 2000. While the new Motorplex generally caters to car racing, it does contain a 400 metres (440 yards) motorcycle speedway track inside the main track, and even though it hosted rounds of the WA Solo Championship in 2001, 2002 and 2005, solos and sidecars generally raced out of the Bibra Lake Speedway located in the southern Perth suburbs until its closure in 2004, before moving to the new, bike only 142 metres (155 yards) Pinjar Park Speedway at Wanneroo in northern Perth which opened in 2005. The departure of the speedway at Claremont allowed the main showground arena to be redeveloped into a more open area, suitable for large music events such as the Big Day Out and other festivals as well as for sports such as Australian rules football and cricket.
Through its history, Claremont was home to a number of Australia's best speedway riders and drivers, including Sig Schlam, Chum Taylor, Glyn Taylor, David Cheshire and Glenn Doyle (Solo's), Keith Mann, Johnny Fenton, Neville Lance, Tom Watson Sr and Michael Figliomeni (Speedcars), Dennis Nash, Ed Blakeney Sr, Rod Lang and Russell Mitchell (Sidecars), Noel Bradford, Alf Barbagallo and Bunbury's Ron Krikke (Sprintcars), and Allan Blake, Ben Ludlow, John Singleton, Bert Vosbergen and Craig Vosbergen (Sedans).

 

[El Gordo]

Lisa Govan didn't go missing from the Gypsy Jokers clubhouse, she'd been seen out the front earlier but was last seen near The Foundry hotel bottle shop.

The clubhouse has been raided two or three times iirc, clothes were taken away and none of them were Lisa's. While many might assume, given their reputations that it's obvious the bikers had something to do with her disappearance, imo it isn't necessarily so.

A doccy on her disappearance should be released soon, it might offer some more clues.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...eal-agony-ng-5c3654df079a092ed9f3a29960b8844e

Ok , Thank you , i read about this case long ago and was not sure how my memory was
I was not suggesting that the bikies had anything to do with her disappearance , my point was that if a certain person had been in Kalgoorlie for the speedway he may have known some of the Jokers from Maddington and been at the clubhouse