Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #5

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What do you mean? This was the highest priority case of the last 20 years and at the time had enormous publicity and resources thrown behind it. This was as big a case as you will ever get. Do you honestly think after having this evidence for a whole 19 years that its not inconceivable to think the Police were nothing but totally incompetent not to investigate this more thoroughly. They put so much money and resources into this they could have easily had a few officers working on this avenue for a moderate period of time (6 Months should be more than enough time). All you need to do is identify a time line (I agree the whole 8 hrs is not 100% necessary) however if they didn't need 8 hrs of footage then why record for the FULL 8 HRS, why not just record for 4 hrs if the 8 hr timeline is not significant. Again you are not making complete sense here when determining 4 hrs being adequate, The police obviously had some reason to record for 8 hrs! and then once you have agreed on the time line to take the registrations then take a record of each number, run each number through the database, identify vehicle owner, go to each owner ask why they were in Claremont and whether they were driving, if they were seek evidence, eg. a receipt, or a credit card statement, a bank statement witness etc etc. If they arent the vehicle owner who was driving then follow up and investigate who was driving that night, more than likely the owner would know who drove their car/ or had access, then investigate and query that driver. Single out any suspicious characters and investigate further. Something to do with that individual might come up down the track and woalla, you have a critical lead and POI/suspect.

This is basic police work, especially when you have evidence that has sat for 19 years, there is not much to go on so why just leave vital critical evidence and not follow it through with the utmost degree.

The media are reporting this as incompetence, that is what it is, this and the Fibers which lead directly to identifying the car, and in this case, another lead that would most definitely identify the car if it indead did drive down Bay View Tce that night.

The Police have really stuffed up, or are hiding something and its becoming more and more obvious.

This video is taken from the NIGHT of Ciara's disappearance, and not from the nights surrounding the abduction night, literally the actual night, it deserved the utmost attention. Its unfathomable to think what has happened has happened especially given the high profile nature of the case

Can you post your evidence that Lance was identified on the night please? or are you spreading misinformation again? please dont derail the thread with your opinion presented as fact.

I agree with Bart, its great another Journalist is reporting on this case, hopefully more do. I think the media are realising this case wasnt the professionally run case its been put forward as by WAPOL, its been an incompetent corrupt shambles from the get go with no focus and a corrupt idiot at the helm steering the wheel (David Caporn). I hope they work out why such critical leads have not been followed.

Why would you review the whole 8 hours when they'd know CG's time of death, her approximate time of abduction and the approximate time she arrived in Claremont? If the perps vehicle was captured on the camera it's absurd to think the vehicle would be caught on camera outside of those times????? Think about it. There's absolutely no point in investigating any of the cars unless they went past the camera at around the time she was abducted or unless it went past it numerous times trawling. This is how the vehicles would have been prioritized.

I did not say LW was caught on that camera driving around the night she was killed. I was referring to the method of how he was detected as a POI, police had many cameras set up around Claremont not just this one secret camera that's been revealed. Wether his vehicle was caught on camera that night is anyone's guess, but my guess is that it was caught on that camera many times that night.
 
Going through each vehicle registration would have taken an incredible amount of resources at the time. At least now they may be able to target vehicles that matched the particular description that they've come up with.
 
Someone messaged me on FB telling me of todays video & I presume its in the West paper as well. They certainly are talking their time re this video. That won`t help.

Nice to see you are still biting into this case Barth. It looks like the cops have been for a while looking into all the number plates in this video. I hope mm turns up in there too cause I still hold onto that footage & recon he might still be involved. Never know maybe he was from interstate visiting,& still does not know of himself being in it

Wapol IMO have not left a stone unturned. "Interstate!!".. I have read lots...but that word has not been thrown around much on here at all. I for one am glad to see it.
 
To me this is an important revelation. As it somewhat confirms WAPOL's willingness to correct incorrect information released through the media. So, having said that we can assume that any previous information is correct or intentional misinformation. As for Elastic and the rest of us on WS, I hope this is a lesson in not believing everything you read in the media, as its irrefutable evidence that they make **** up.
 
The taxi theory still holds with me.. and MM. Perth and surrounds would have numerous taxi services, VIP, chauffeur, luxury etc etc. they would've all had radio's??..on checking websites... Station wagons, merc's, maxivans, ..upmarket new vehicles..they don't seem to have a taxi roof light, sign?.. some appear unmarked..MM had a business-type shirt on.. perhaps these companies also dressed accordingly.. white business shirt.. all IMO.
 
I said ages ago was the CSK into biting in a serious way. Well UK Chef Dixie certainly was. Did serious biting occur with the 3?
 
All you need to do is identify a time line (I agree the whole 8 hrs is not 100% necessary) however if they didn't need 8 hrs of footage then why record for the FULL 8 HRS, why not just record for 4 hrs if the 8 hr timeline is not significant. Again you are not making complete sense here when determining 4 hrs being adequate, The police obviously had some reason to record for 8 hrs!
Maybe I'm missing something but I'm pretty sure the CSK didn't phone the police and say "get your camera ready I'll be abducting someone between 10 and 2 tonight." They were conducting surveillance and recording for 8 hour periods because they had no idea if or when something might happen. A timeline would only be determined after the fact.
 
Is it Groundhog Day? New revelations. Shock and horror. Toy cops say "it is our policy not to comment blah blah, could damage the investigation blah blah". Why is anybody surprised? This has been happening for 20 years and will continue to happen. Nobody will ever be accountable and we will continue to go around in circles.
 
I said ages ago was the CSK into biting in a serious way. Well UK Chef Dixie certainly was. Did serious biting occur with the 3?
If there were bite marks then that is like a fingerprint and they needn't have follwed LW around for months on end. They could have just compared the bite marks and ruled him in or out. Therefore there were no bite marks on the girls.
 
Thread is back open for posting as long everyone can carry on a civil discussion without hurling insults and allegations toward one another.

No problem shutting it down again if the above can't be adhered to.
 
A Scenario: What if WAPOL have evidence that could never be presented in Court that proves 100% who the CSK is, and the video footage of cars adds nothing to their investigation as they have already determined the identity of the killer beyond any reasonable doubt.
 
Usually, the only inadmissible evidence are items that have not been obtained as per due process. This is possible. However, inadmissible evidence in those situations is typically only circumstantial.

I think it's highly likely the offender left the State of WA when news of the link between Karrakatta and Ciara came out in the Post. I think this was to avoid being detected through DNA.

WANTED: Dates of all major or specific events at the Claremont Speedway, that may correlate with any of the sex attacks/murders that occurred in Claremont during the period.
 
Usually, the only inadmissible evidence are items that have not been obtained as per due process. This is possible. However, inadmissible evidence in those situations is typically only circumstantial.

I think it's highly likely the offender left the State of WA when news of the link between Karrakatta and Ciara came out in the Post. I think this was to avoid being detected through DNA.

WANTED: Dates of all major or specific events at the Claremont Speedway, that may correlate with any of the sex attacks/murders that occurred in Claremont during the period.

Friday night is speedway night.
 
Usually, the only inadmissible evidence are items that have not been obtained as per due process. This is possible. However, inadmissible evidence in those situations is typically only circumstantial.

I think it's highly likely the offender left the State of WA when news of the link between Karrakatta and Ciara came out in the Post. I think this was to avoid being detected through DNA.

WANTED: Dates of all major or specific events at the Claremont Speedway, that may correlate with any of the sex attacks/murders that occurred in Claremont during the period.

Was it you that mentioned posting a write up about each girl?

If so could you post?
 
A Scenario: What if WAPOL have evidence that could never be presented in Court that proves 100% who the CSK is, and the video footage of cars adds nothing to their investigation as they have already determined the identity of the killer beyond any reasonable doubt.

Yeah its very possible, it could definitely be the reason. I thought there was a law being passed here that allowed a circumstantial case to be built when lacking physical evidence. Maybe they cannot get anything to stick and what they have was obtained from some renegade cops. I think the video footage is one example of Keystone Kops!

I wonder whether this would have been solved swiftly with the NSW Police?
 
If there were bite marks then that is like a fingerprint and they needn't have follwed LW around for months on end. They could have just compared the bite marks and ruled him in or out. Therefore there were no bite marks on the girls.
Not necessarily so Barth. Especially if over time the chest bite marks deteriorated.
 
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