Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996-1997, Perth, Western Australia - #7 *ARREST*

[meticulously]

I don't appreciate someone quoting me multiple times in the one post. Personally, I find it a bit creepy. What purpose does it serve? What point was being made?

Sorry no harm intended its just that the topic im interested in , is supported by the questions (quoted) asked , And theyre good questions .
Ps
I didnt like the way you questioned the authenticity of the photos I painstakingly edited and explained.
be proud of your quotes joe [emoji4]

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[Mo Joe]

Looks like BenJones84 never actually named anyone. Not guilty of defamation. Also that stuff is all online already, public records & news articles. Gee Meticuloosly, you really have it out for this BenJones84 character. If you're not the guy he's talking about, why do you care so much?

It's not possible to reply to your PMs because your folder is full.

 

[Mo Joe]

Sorry no harm intended its just that the topic im interested in , is supported by the questions (quoted) asked , And theyre good questions .
Ps
I didnt like the way you questioned the authenticity of the photos I painstakingly edited and explained.
be proud of your quotes joe [emoji4]

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Sorry meticulously, I'm not quite sure what you were saying, and I definitely was not questioning the authenticity of the photos. I do not think that AD is the CSK or or the killer of SC. jmo

 

[SteveG72]

try again

 

[meticulously]

That is because the profiler or, for that matter, anyone else, realise the two bodies were 180 degrees apart. Once that fact was noted, and the way the line went through the Conti, ideas of an eastern location was downplayed.

Is this experts (pulella) information valid considering his failure to identify the jr/cg line ?

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[JBA512]

Just want to clarify my opinion on focusing on the line

I agree with what a lot of others have raised in defence it being just a coincidence.
But what harm could it do to at least give this a decent debated discussion.

Why you ask?

After 7 threads all basically the same few things discussed with a couple of new bits of information popping up. eg. commodore, karra link.
It appears getting an ID on the csk is a no hope so maybe a focus on SS is needed to gain some progress.

Even the police with all the extra info they "should" have are no closer than they were 20 years ago. (as it appears from the public)
They went hard on taxi's........... They went hard on POI's...............All to no avail it seems

So why not look into this potential line if it could end up finding SS....... very long shot i know but still "if" it does all link up who knows what that info might add to getting an ID on the CSK.

That's just my opinion on direction to take until the police release more if ever

 

[SteveG72]

Firstly, the line is not supposed to go through the Conti, I finally realized it's supposed to go through the intersection of St Quentin and Bayview terrace. One reason that I don't think that the line is a coincidence, is that the distance from that intersection to Jane Rimmers body is 33,000 meters exactly to the meter (33km).

 

[JBA512]

I will agree a map and pen were the only reasonable methods in 1996.

But a line representing 10-20 meters is indeterminate.

Just done some quick scale calcs
Anyone feel free to correct me if i'm wrong

I worked on a Yanchep - Rockingham map (could of been a Yanchep - Mandurah map but would of made scaled up line even wider then)
Monitor measured at a length of about 250mm (simple scale up)
Google earth scale - 1mm = ~312.5m
Convert that to 1m long map - 1mm = ~78m

Average pen tip of say 0.5mm would give a ~39m wide line if done at a 1/1 scale

I agree it is a very large window to work in

When considering how accurate the modern day lines are on google & taking into account dump sites maybe being positioned incorrectly it is fairly precise placements from a pen and paper map.

 

[JBA512]

Firstly, the line is not supposed to go through the Conti, I finally realized it's supposed to go through the intersection of St Quentin and Bayview terrace. One reason that I don't think that the line is a coincidence, is that the distance from that intersection to Jane Rimmers body is 33,000 meters exactly to the meter (33km).

Where does 33km north fall?
At a guess it would be getting too close to suburban areas for a dump spot

 

[phantomm]

Firstly, the line is not supposed to go through the Conti, I finally realized it's supposed to go through the intersection of St Quentin and Bayview terrace. One reason that I don't think that the line is a coincidence, is that the distance from that intersection to Jane Rimmers body is 33,000 meters exactly to the meter (33km).

I have previously stated that the line goes through the corner of Bayview and St Quentin. I also mentioned that I have shown the Police and they have been investigating if there is a clue to connect St Quentin Ave with San Quentin prison in the USA.

 

[Sutton]

Firstly, the line is not supposed to go through the Conti, I finally realized it's supposed to go through the intersection of St Quentin and Bayview terrace. One reason that I don't think that the line is a coincidence, is that the distance from that intersection to Jane Rimmers body is 33,000 meters exactly to the meter (33km).

Three points:

1. Twenty-one hours ago I posted that, in my tests, the line did not run through the Conti. Seven hours ago, you realized the line isn't supposed to run through the Conti. Perfect.

2. What is the significance of 33,000 meters?

3. Based off what GPS coordinates is the distance 33,000 meters exactly to the meter? Please post the GPS coordinates of the starting point and the ending point.

 

[Sutton]

Just want to clarify my opinion on focusing on the line

I agree with what a lot of others have raised in defence it being just a coincidence.
But what harm could it do to at least give this a decent debated discussion.

Why you ask?

After 7 threads all basically the same few things discussed with a couple of new bits of information popping up. eg. commodore, karra link.
It appears getting an ID on the csk is a no hope so maybe a focus on SS is needed to gain some progress.

Even the police with all the extra info they "should" have are no closer than they were 20 years ago. (as it appears from the public)
They went hard on taxi's........... They went hard on POI's...............All to no avail it seems

So why not look into this potential line if it could end up finding SS....... very long shot i know but still "if" it does all link up who knows what that info might add to getting an ID on the CSK.

That's just my opinion on direction to take until the police release more if ever

Great. I have no issue with investigating and discussing the murder line. I don't believe in it, but we've all discussed theories that we don't support.

I am opposed to the misinformation the is repeatedly stated as fact.

If someone says they think the killer planned to dispose of the bodies in a more or less straight line with the abduction site, then that is fine.

When someone says the bodies were disposed of in an exactly 180 degree line with the Conti and that the bodies were exactly this far apart, then those people need to provide the data that supports that statement. No riddles, no redirects to some other website or a book, no changing the subject.

Furthermore, by your reasoning, why not try astrology? Or time travel? Why not try psychic predictions? Those things are more likely than a "murder line".

Maybe, posters should try inductive reasoning. Several highways run through that area. Highways and cities don't just spring forth willy Billy. They are erected according to a plan. Claremont was the starting point. Maybe the killer just followed the roads out of the city, just like every other human being.

 

[Mo Joe]

SS is East. I am sure of it.

 

[Mo Joe]

I now believe that CSK did contact Don Spiers, and somewhere along the way, the message got a little mixed up. jmo

 

[Jmo05]

This page is probably the only decent one left discussing the case if people stop coming up with POI's without any proof on here. I spoke to a copper who said all main poi's were no longer suspects. Including minor ones too. That means they have DNA linking CG to Karrakatta victim. Just my look into this.

 

[Jmo05]

He would have to have left town or topped himself when he saw the pain the relatives were in when they appeared on TV. Only thing one can do is search this line and see if more are on it. I think law.enforcement might have but that would be just a guess.

 

[JBA512]

This page is probably the only decent one left discussing the case if people stop coming up with POI's without any proof on here. I spoke to a copper who said all main poi's were no longer suspects. Including minor ones too. That means they have DNA linking CG to Karrakatta victim. Just my look into this.

Only thing one can do is search this line and see if more are on it. I think law.enforcement might have but that would be just a guess.

Agree with this hence why i feel the need to focus on something like the line that can at least potentially narrow down locations for SS and bring in some new evidence.

If they have DNA then the only way they will catch him is if he stuffs up & they run the DNA against all stored DNA they have now and in the future.

 

[Sutton]

Even though my earlier comment was in reply to JBA512, it wasn't specifically directed at him or her. I was making a statement about the topic in general. JBA512 has made some quality comments. I was going to edited my comment to be more clear, but WS temporarily shut down within seconds of my post.

 

[JBA512]

Great. I have no issue with investigating and discussing the murder line. I don't believe in it, but we've all discussed theories that we don't support.

I am opposed to the misinformation the is repeatedly stated as fact.

If someone says they think the killer planned to dispose of the bodies in a more or less straight line with the abduction site, then that is fine.

When someone says the bodies were disposed of in an exactly 180 degree line with the Conti and that the bodies were exactly this far apart, then those people need to provide the data that supports that statement. No riddles, no redirects to some other website or a book, no changing the subject.

Furthermore, by your reasoning, why not try astrology? Or time travel? Why not try psychic predictions? Those things are more likely than a "murder line".

Maybe, posters should try inductive reasoning. Several highways run through that area. Highways and cities don't just spring forth willy Billy. They are erected according to a plan. Claremont was the starting point. Maybe the killer just followed the roads out of the city, just like every other human being.

I apologise for using the word fact in some of my previous posts. I took the dumpsites reported on here as fact assuming people had worked it out from various news photos over the years.

Based on my workings with the pen/ruler on a map method i would stand by it being a straight line given the wide window that presented. Yes i agree it is not exact in our current day but without looking into what was available 20 years ago i find it hard to completely ignore (i will try and research the old tech)

Not sure if your having a dig but i'm not clued up on astrology or the others mentioned but i do know how to draw a line so i'll leave those methods to others which i would likely dismiss in the same way you are dismissing the line.

Yes highways do run close by and this could of been a key factor in selecting the sites for ease of access to the line.

Another question is why claremont was the starting/anchor point?
I know many people have said its due to knowing the area/living in the area which i tend to lean towards also

 

[Mo Joe]

I'm sure he has stuffed up JBA .... and he would know it!