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I find this to be an insightful post, thanks. My own thoughts differ slightly on this as I think that the CSK would never reveal himself to 'non-interested parties' under any circumstances as it would be an admission of guilt. As I said a couple pages earlier I speculate that if CGE was to have had any inklings of suspicion that it would have arisen from something she found, likely related to his computer setup, either particularly distressing *advertiser censored* or content relating to sexual violence, or perhaps something more relating to the CSK case. Like yourself I expect the accused to have been domestically abusive towards his partner (emotional, psychological, possibly physical and sexual) but I speculate that he would have been particularly controlling and intimidating around his computer setup because I believe that he would have been accessing all manner of *advertiser censored* online, including material only found on the dark web. While I don't think he'd ever admit guilt, I do thinks it's possible he might have anonymously disclosed or bragged about his 'achievements' to like-minded persons of similar persuasion in a secure online environment. I think it's not outside the realms of possibility that CGE would have been frightened of the accused in the relationship but followed her curiosity given his defensive and controlling behaviour ('stay away from my computer, it's very expensive', 'have you been in my computer room again, I thought I told you not to', 'you just don't seem to get it do you, I've told you it's very expensive but you just don't listen do you, what's it going to take, don't make me have to teach you') and explored his computer setup and found something salacious or suspicious. The sad thing about domestic violence is that all too often, even if the victim does disclose DV, the abuser (overwhelmingly men) has so carefully crafted a persona of good social and community reputation and is so good at manipulation and deflection that the victim is often not believed, even by friends and family ('Him? Surely not, he's a lovely man, he'd never hurt a fly, if anything I would think SHE was abusive, he's always told us how she treats him, we know she's a real handful, she's lucky to have him. Maybe she's not well. Poor man, being accused of this'.). It's not uncommon for women to present as highly dysregulated and anxious when disclosing DV because of the trauma experienced, so they may not be as 'together' at that time, so this can also contribute to not being believed. Sadly though, many women don't disclose anything because they are already so afraid and threats may have been made, but also because they know they won't be believed, or they don't want to 'ruin his life', or break up the family, or because DV behaviour often goes in cycles and they occasionally see glimpses of the man they fell in love with. People ignorant about DV will often say 'why doesn't she just leave?', not understanding all of these factors, that a women's confidence has often been completely ground down to almost nothing, and that abusive men's behaviour often seriously escalates when they sense a loss of control, and is actually one of the highest risk periods. So, if CGE did discover something, I think it would have taken her some time to put it together in her head, but as it did come together her fear would have only risen higher as she realised who and what she was dealing with, and she wouldn't just rush out and disclose her suspicions because there would be such a huge risk she wouldn't be believed; authorities have had so many calls of this nature over the years that they wouldn't even listen anymore, plus they would take one superficial look at the accused and say 'that man? You've got to be kidding right?', and they would more likely see a highly anxious, less together woman and say 'I think she maybe is the one with the problem'. If this was the case and the accused was made aware of her assertions against him, the risk for her returning home would have been astronomical as far as a further escalation of controlling and abusive behaviour.

This may read like fiction to some regarding this particular case, and of course is simply speculation. But the information regarding DV is, sadly, anything but.


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Thanks for your insights into DV, you may be on the money here. Where I don't feel I would agree is with the notion that CGE knew anything about any serious criminal behaviour on BRE's part. If she did have knowledge or even suspicions, I feel that once she had left the relationship she would have severed all ties (e.g FB friendship) and heavily discouraged her daughter from having ongoing contact.

I think that there could have been a mountain of more minor reasons why the relationship fell down. Not mowing the lawn would have been enough for me.


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How frightening, you poor thing. Hope that's all sorted out now and that person can no longer get access to your email or phone?

Hi Lamp, yes all sorted thank god, I rang up Graylands and told them what he was doing they eventually took access to the phones and internet away from him,he is currently serving his 26 years in Albany Prison, its pretty crazy that they give Prisoners access to it while being in Graylands.
 
IMAGINE THIS........


Imagine the scenario where the alleged CSK's ex-wife CGE somehow knew that BRE was the (alleged) CSK. Imagine that CGE knew this (alleged) secret for an extended time, like possibly years.

Then imagine if BRE revealed to CGE that he escalated into a killing machine because of the breakdown of his first marriage to EE. And BRE used this horrible secret to manipulate his second wife CGE into staying married to him for longer than she planned. Possibly threatening CGE that if she left him, that he would resume his (alleged) abduction, rape, and murderous pastimes!

If this was the case, then imagine what it was like for CGE:
-experiencing this vicious manipulation
-her level of fear for possibly her own safety
-the extreme and unimaginable burden on CGE
-the catch-22 dilemma (I'm extremely unhappy in my marriage, but if I leave then other women die)
-the unrelenting "should I stay or should I go" internal dialogue.....

And what if after all this....

The accused told CGE that if you leave me then I will hurt the people you love!!!!


Just my own scary thoughts.....


This hypothetical scenario certainly lends to rumours that the accused was dobbed in to the cops!


Edit: NO WAY that I'm impressing that CGE was involved in the crimes. I believe CGE was a victim too. A victim of domestic emotional abuse and possibly domestic violence.

This wouldn't explain why her daughter stayed in contact with him and only really works if the daughter was invested emotionally in BRE more than her own mother.

The first wife however...


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Thanks for your insights into DV, you may be on the money here. Where I don't feel I would agree is with the notion that CGE knew anything about any serious criminal behaviour on BRE's part. If she did have knowledge or even suspicions, I feel that once she had left the relationship she would have severed all ties (e.g FB friendship) and heavily discouraged her daughter from having ongoing contact.

I think that there could have been a mountain of more minor reasons why the relationship fell down. Not mowing the lawn would have been enough for me.


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Thanks for your insights into DV, you may be on the money here. Where I don't feel I would agree is with the notion that CGE knew anything about any serious criminal behaviour on BRE's part. If she did have knowledge or even suspicions, I feel that once she had left the relationship she would have severed all ties (e.g FB friendship) and heavily discouraged her daughter from having ongoing contact.

I think that there could have been a mountain of more minor reasons why the relationship fell down. Not mowing the lawn would have been enough for me.


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Do we know what occupation CGE has/had? Not sure if mentioned on a previous thread?
 
I find this to be an insightful post, thanks. My own thoughts differ slightly on this as I think that the CSK would never reveal himself to 'non-interested parties' under any circumstances as it would be an admission of guilt. As I said a couple pages earlier I speculate that if CGE was to have had any inklings of suspicion that it would have arisen from something she found, likely related to his computer setup, either particularly distressing *advertiser censored* or content relating to sexual violence, or perhaps something more relating to the CSK case. Like yourself I expect the accused to have been domestically abusive towards his partner (emotional, psychological, possibly physical and sexual) but I speculate that he would have been particularly controlling and intimidating around his computer setup because I believe that he would have been accessing all manner of *advertiser censored* online, including material only found on the dark web. While I don't think he'd ever admit guilt, I do thinks it's possible he might have anonymously disclosed or bragged about his 'achievements' to like-minded persons of similar persuasion in a secure online environment. I think it's not outside the realms of possibility that CGE would have been frightened of the accused in the relationship but followed her curiosity given his defensive and controlling behaviour ('stay away from my computer, it's very expensive', 'have you been in my computer room again, I thought I told you not to', 'you just don't seem to get it do you, I've told you it's very expensive but you just don't listen do you, what's it going to take, don't make me have to teach you') and explored his computer setup and found something salacious or suspicious. The sad thing about domestic violence is that all too often, even if the victim does disclose DV, the abuser (overwhelmingly men) has so carefully crafted a persona of good social and community reputation and is so good at manipulation and deflection that the victim is often not believed, even by friends and family ('Him? Surely not, he's a lovely man, he'd never hurt a fly, if anything I would think SHE was abusive, he's always told us how she treats him, we know she's a real handful, she's lucky to have him. Maybe she's not well. Poor man, being accused of this'.). It's not uncommon for women to present as highly dysregulated and anxious when disclosing DV because of the trauma experienced, so they may not be as 'together' at that time, so this can also contribute to not being believed. Sadly though, many women don't disclose anything because they are already so afraid and threats may have been made, but also because they know they won't be believed, or they don't want to 'ruin his life', or break up the family, or because DV behaviour often goes in cycles and they occasionally see glimpses of the man they fell in love with. People ignorant about DV will often say 'why doesn't she just leave?', not understanding all of these factors, that a women's confidence has often been completely ground down to almost nothing, and that abusive men's behaviour often seriously escalates when they sense a loss of control, and is actually one of the highest risk periods. So, if CGE did discover something, I think it would have taken her some time to put it together in her head, but as it did come together her fear would have only risen higher as she realised who and what she was dealing with, and she wouldn't just rush out and disclose her suspicions because there would be such a huge risk she wouldn't be believed; authorities have had so many calls of this nature over the years that they wouldn't even listen anymore, plus they would take one superficial look at the accused and say 'that man? You've got to be kidding right?', and they would more likely see a highly anxious, less together woman and say 'I think she maybe is the one with the problem'. If this was the case and the accused was made aware of her assertions against him, the risk for her returning home would have been astronomical as far as a further escalation of controlling and abusive behaviour.

This may read like fiction to some regarding this particular case, and of course is simply speculation. But the information regarding DV is, sadly, anything but.


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Our son is a counsellor who is specialising at present with DV and it's prevention so we talk a lot about his work as I worry about his mental health with all this awful stuff. No Perpendicular it does not read at all like fiction. It is scarily accurate, and also mirrors the experiences I had with previous employer and his kind and totally controlled wife whom I met a couple of times. There's also CGE's dedication to her faith in this case (and my boss's case) and the fact that she should "submit" to her husband in a biblical sense. This was the case with my employer, he used his "faith" and more importantly HER faith, to manipulate his wife and tell her she was not "forgiving" enough. The old WWJD (What would Jesus Do) is hugely twisted by lots of Christians to bludgeon others into submission. If this was the case with poor CGE my heart goes out to her. It is cruelty on a monumental level, and all done without anyone being able to believe it could possibly be happening. So very sad.
 
Hi Lamp, yes all sorted thank god, I rang up Graylands and told them what he was doing they eventually took access to the phones and internet away from him,he is currently serving his 26 years in Albany Prison, its pretty crazy that they give Prisoners access to it while being in Graylands.

Oh my Lord yes, why would they give permission for an obviously VERY unstable person (26 years in prison, now that's for major crime/s) access to phones and the internet? Who makes these decisions, just incredible. Stay safe Nickerz86! :)
 
My guess is the relationship broke down because she was bored to tears with him, 49-year old computer gamer, with half a dozen beat up old cars out the front, in a crappy old house, poorly-maintained, same job for 30+ years, likes footy and drinking beer. He’s a bit of loser really, as I’ve said before. I very much doubt he let her know what he had been up to. If she found out, I dare say she would have gone to police, and there would have been no DNA ‘breakthrough’ to trigger an arrest ...
 
I think you talk a lot of tickle
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Tickle me this then Junior, ...in Thread 4 post 892 "Parkie" advised you .." Frankie don't dream about what you saw was the CSK....THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO CAN CANCEL US OUT IN A PARAGRAPH OR TWO......This was a serious attack."
In other posts between you and the same member regarding contacting the Special Crime Squad you advise him to get in contact with them and give out the " break in the case Australia has been waiting for."
Whats this all about,? Enlighten me- i would be tickled to know. Don't get the sulks and sit out just when things are getting interesting.............
 
Our son is a counsellor who is specialising at present with DV and it's prevention so we talk a lot about his work as I worry about his mental health with all this awful stuff. No Perpendicular it does not read at all like fiction. It is scarily accurate, and also mirrors the experiences I had with previous employer and his kind and totally controlled wife whom I met a couple of times. There's also CGE's dedication to her faith in this case (and my boss's case) and the fact that she should "submit" to her husband in a biblical sense. This was the case with my employer, he used his "faith" and more importantly HER faith, to manipulate his wife and tell her she was not "forgiving" enough. The old WWJD (What would Jesus Do) is hugely twisted by lots of Christians to bludgeon others into submission. If this was the case with poor CGE my heart goes out to her. It is cruelty on a monumental level, and all done without anyone being able to believe it could possibly be happening. So very sad.

You and perpendicular are quite correct.

No one really knows what goes on behind closed doors in homes other than your own. Except (like said above) psychologists, counsellors, social workers, and cops - people in these professions are privy to the depravity of life. Abuse. Drugs. Poverty. Violence. Neglect.

Then there's the perpetrators and victims of domestic violence - these two groups definitely know what's going on behind closed doors.

And it's usually not pretty.
 
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Tickle me this then Junior, ...in Thread 4 post 892 "Parkie" advised you .." Frankie don't dream about what you saw was the CSK....THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO CAN CANCEL US OUT IN A PARAGRAPH OR TWO......This was a serious attack."
In other posts between you and the same member regarding contacting the Special Crime Squad you advise him to get in contact with them and give out the " break in the case Australia has been waiting for."
Whats this all about,? Enlighten me- i
would be tickled to know. Don't get the sulks and sit out just when things are getting interesting.............

Nicely done 7SJ707, But he won't respond to difficult questions, only the fawning inquisitive.
 
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Tickle me this then Junior, ...in Thread 4 post 892 "Parkie" advised you .." Frankie don't dream about what you saw was the CSK....THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO CAN CANCEL US OUT IN A PARAGRAPH OR TWO......This was a serious attack."
In other posts between you and the same member regarding contacting the Special Crime Squad you advise him to get in contact with them and give out the " break in the case Australia has been waiting for."
Whats this all about,? Enlighten me- i would be tickled to know. Don't get the sulks and sit out just when things are getting interesting.............
I think I remember those posts. Think Frankie was being sarcastic (as in , he has information and relevence-where is their groundbreaking news that will solve the case?)

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It is always nice to know i have at least one fan.
Tickle me this then Junior, ...in Thread 4 post 892 "Parkie" advised you .." Frankie don't dream about what you saw was the CSK....THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO CAN CANCEL US OUT IN A PARAGRAPH OR TWO......This was a serious attack."
In other posts between you and the same member regarding contacting the Special Crime Squad you advise him to get in contact with them and give out the " break in the case Australia has been waiting for."
Whats this all about,? Enlighten me- i would be tickled to know. Don't get the sulks and sit out just when things are getting interesting.............[/I don't know what you're on about. You make about as much sense as Ian Moone.
 
Still reading there Frankie? It must be very difficult not to respond? What has been written in the past is past. Why not just let us know YOUR side of all this as you are a Verified Insider, not much point in going to all that trouble and not participating, hey? And there's no need for anyone to be snarky to anyone else. Mutual respect is the only way things get resolved. Let's all just chill out and start again..... WELCOME Frankie, what's on your mind... we're listening!!! :lurk::)
 
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The sad thing about domestic violence is that all too often, even if the victim does disclose DV, the abuser (overwhelmingly men) has so carefully crafted a persona of good social and community reputation and is so good at manipulation and deflection that the victim is often not believed, even by friends and family ('Him? Surely not, he's a lovely man, he'd never hurt a fly, if anything I would think SHE was abusive, he's always told us how she treats him, we know she's a real handful, she's lucky to have him. Maybe she's not well. Poor man, being accused of this'.). It's not uncommon for women to present as highly dysregulated and anxious when disclosing DV because of the trauma experienced, so they may not be as 'together' at that time, so this can also contribute to not being believed. Sadly though, many women don't disclose anything because they are already so afraid and threats may have been made, but also because they know they won't be believed, or they don't want to 'ruin his life', or break up the family, or because DV behaviour often goes in cycles and they occasionally see glimpses of the man they fell in love with. People ignorant about DV will often say 'why doesn't she just leave?', not understanding all of these factors, that a women's confidence has often been completely ground down to almost nothing, and that abusive men's behaviour often seriously escalates when they sense a loss of control, and is actually one of the highest risk periods. So, if CGE did discover something, I think it would have taken her some time to put it together in her head, but as it did come together her fear would have only risen higher as she realised who and what she was dealing with, and she wouldn't just rush out and disclose her suspicions because there would be such a huge risk she wouldn't be believed; authorities have had so many calls of this nature over the years that they wouldn't even listen anymore, plus they would take one superficial look at the accused and say 'that man? You've got to be kidding right?', and they would more likely see a highly anxious, less together woman and say 'I think she maybe is the one with the problem'. If this was the case and the accused was made aware of her assertions against him, the risk for her returning home would have been astronomical as far as a further escalation of controlling and abusive behaviour.

This may read like fiction to some regarding this particular case, and of course is simply speculation. But the information regarding DV is, sadly, anything but.

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you've reduced me to tears
 
my biography...
you've reduced me to tears

Oh BreVeTTe another wounded soul out there in the ether. Sending you a virtual hug, and here's a rose for you :rose: . We hear you and you are safe here with us. Bless you for bravely putting your hand up and telling us about your awful experiences. Deep breaths now, cries are cleansing, washing away all the hurt, Amen! xx
 
'The wound is the place where the light enters you'

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Hugs Brevette and that's beautiful MsAnais!
 
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