Australia Australia - Claremont SK, 1996-97, Perth, WA - #13

[Spooks-R-Us]

CG face shape was more squared.

Imo they don't really have a lot in common besides the blonde hair and the area they were at the time.
Definitely wasn't a type in face as they all look very different in many ways.
He may have been targeting blondes in particular but imo I believe it was whoever he could ambush or coerce into his car at the time.
Seemed quite impulsive and risk taking really.
Especially with CG. Busy area that's already on high alert?
He couldn't control himself clearly...
So how did he go so quiet for 20 years!

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IMO maybe he went quiet for a while, and when he tried again when he was older, to abduct women aged in their 20's, using his previous methods, maybe he'd lost some of his boyish 'good' looks, and his overall physical appeal had diminished. At this point he became 'the creepy older guy offering lifts to young women', when previously he was 'the nice young man offering lifts to young women'.

My other theory revolves around decline in the CSK's Health that made it more difficult to lug around 50-70kg bodies. Possibly a slight back or knee injury that later resolved enough for the accused to play footy.

Or he just got busy with life.......

Or changed his MO and hunting grounds because Claremont got too hot.


SK's can change and adapt just like the rest of us.....

 

[JoWa]

You're entitled to your opinion but I respectfully disagree- and IMO CG does not have a round face .

Maybe the CSK realised CG was not the right one.....as she did not fit his prerequisites and preferences???

BRE can be linked to JR through proximity to the cemetery while CG could be linked through her occupation in the legal profession the same as EE, BREs first wife.

I am very curious about EE, has anyone found anything on the internet about her. There doesn't appear to be anything now, and I am very curious to see if she may resemble the 3 original Claremont victims.


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[Look4Clues]

BRE's first wife EE was discussed on thread 11 on 12 January - #544 by tundrawolf - and in other posts, it was suggested she was Malaysian or Indian .... and domineering...

Originally Posted by tundrawolf
I said my wife caught a lift with EE and BRE after a work function and I said my wife was young, blonde and gorgeous (my wife's words ha!).

I'm only responding here because someone copied and posted my BF post on this site.

My wife worked with EE at a law firm in the early 90's.

EE is not a lawyer she was a legal secretary. She does NOT look like any of the girls, she is of a different ethnicity or at least appears or appeared to my wife at the time. She was definitely not blonde. My wife told me what she thought her ethnicity is/was but I am not going to state it here.

Coincidentally in BRE's year 12 GSHS yearbook as has been mentioned previously, is a barrister who is married to a Supreme Court justice. This barrister I first met when she worked at the DPP but unbeknown to me until recently my wife also worked with at the same law firm that EE worked at and at the same time....as I mentioned in my BF post Perth is very small.

My wife stated that BRE was very quiet and she still can't grasp how he managed to get the women into his vehicle because according to her he just didn't have the charm to do so. However, she also stated that if she was on a night out and he offered her a lift she probably would have accepted it thinking that he was the husband of a work colleague and it would have been safe.


Also as an aside and as someone who sat on criminal trials for 15 years (in my previous working life) if I was a guilty person with lots of evidence against me I would choose a trial by jury everyday of the week. I've seen more guilty people be acquitted by a jury than I have seen not guilty people convicted! It does happen of course, but i'd fancy my chances with a jury over a judge alone.

BRE can be linked to JR through proximity to the cemetery while CG could be linked through her occupation in the legal profession the same as EE, BREs first wife.

I am very curious about EE, has anyone found anything on the internet about her. There doesn't appear to be anything now, and I am very curious to see if she may resemble the 3 original Claremont victims.


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[JoeDetective]

Some of these photoshops of BRE are creepier than anything I have read on this site. :laughing:

 

[Spinnaker]

BRE's first wife EE was discussed on thread 11 on 12 January - #544 by tundrawolf - and in other posts, it was suggested she was Malaysian or Indian .... and domineering...

Originally Posted by tundrawolf
I said my wife caught a lift with EE and BRE after a work function and I said my wife was young, blonde and gorgeous (my wife's words ha!).

I'm only responding here because someone copied and posted my BF post on this site.

My wife worked with EE at a law firm in the early 90's.

EE is not a lawyer she was a legal secretary. She does NOT look like any of the girls, she is of a different ethnicity or at least appears or appeared to my wife at the time. She was definitely not blonde. My wife told me what she thought her ethnicity is/was but I am not going to state it here.

Coincidentally in BRE's year 12 GSHS yearbook as has been mentioned previously, is a barrister who is married to a Supreme Court justice. This barrister I first met when she worked at the DPP but unbeknown to me until recently my wife also worked with at the same law firm that EE worked at and at the same time....as I mentioned in my BF post Perth is very small.

My wife stated that BRE was very quiet and she still can't grasp how he managed to get the women into his vehicle because according to her he just didn't have the charm to do so. However, she also stated that if she was on a night out and he offered her a lift she probably would have accepted it thinking that he was the husband of a work colleague and it would have been safe.

Also as an aside and as someone who sat on criminal trials for 15 years (in my previous working life) if I was a guilty person with lots of evidence against me I would choose a trial by jury everyday of the week. I've seen more guilty people be acquitted by a jury than I have seen not guilty people convicted! It does happen of course, but i'd fancy my chances with a jury over a judge alone.

Look4clues, great post and line of thought!

Please see below link where it mentions that:

"Mr Edwards’ old high school friends were equally surprised, saying that one of their year 12 students had studied law at the University of Western Australia with Ciara Glennon".

http://www.news.com.au/national/cou...s/news-story/44d3d60b4c894e632bb30a23a11bc787

If we consider also the below by tundra wolf which your referred to in your post:

"Coincidentally in BRE's year 12 GSHS yearbook as has been mentioned previously, is a barrister who is married to a Supreme Court justice. This barrister I first met when she worked at the DPP but unbeknown to me until recently my wife also worked with at the same law firm that EE worked at and at the same time."

Perhaps there was some opportunity for BRE to meet CG?

 

[Look4Clues]

Thanks Spinnaker, I remember reading that article a while back. I am not sure that the person who was in BRE's year 12 GSHS yearbook studied law with CG at UWA is a barrister, I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere...

Apparently EE was a legal secretary at Corrs Chambers Westgarth.

CG worked with senior partner Neal Fearis when he was at Blake Dawson Waldron. He was with Ciara the night she went missing (he drove her there after a work function) and offered to drive her home but unfortunately she left early because she was tired.

EDIT: Sorry Spinnaker: I just saw your edited post about the barrister. Maybe I had forgotten about that post

Look4clues, great post!

Please see below link where it mentions that:

"Mr Edwards’ old high school friends were equally surprised, saying that one of their year 12 students had studied law at the University of Western Australia with Ciara Glennon".

http://www.news.com.au/national/cou...s/news-story/44d3d60b4c894e632bb30a23a11bc787

If we consider also from above post that someone from BRE's year 12 GSHS yearbook also worked with EE at the same law firm - perhaps there is a connection here.

 

[Spinnaker]

Thanks Spinnaker, I remember reading that article a while back. I am not sure that the person who was in BRE's year 12 GSHS yearbook studied law with CG at UWA is a barrister, I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere...

Apparently EE was a legal secretary at Corrs Chambers Westgarth.

CG worked with senior partner Neal Fearis when he was at Blake Dawson Waldron. He was with Ciara the night she went missing (he drove her there after a work function) and offered to drive her home but unfortunately she left early because she was tired.

EDIT: Sorry Spinnaker: I just saw your edited post about the barrister. Maybe I had forgotten about that post

Sorry I thought I was not clear enough so edited

 

[janwa]

"Mr Edwards’ old high school friends were equally surprised, [/FONT]

?

This would depend on which friends were spoken to see my early post

 

[mandy.maree]

Apparently CG was out with members of Corrs that night too. I can not remember where I read this so this is rumor till I find the article.
Imo if he did get the girls in his car willingly -he had to have had some familiarity with them - especially by the time CG went missing.
Otherwise I'd think there would definitely have been reports of him offering lifts by people who did not get in his car.
I still believe they got in his car.
SS had a car spotted slowing down near her minutes before her taxi arrived,JR I believe left with someone she was waiting for (believe it was CSK) and CG was also spotted with a car braking near her (and CSI says she leaned over and spoke to them)
If all this is true -leaves very little time for another person to have taken them but the person in said car.
I don't see that person getting out and blitzing them right there on the road.
Just going by the reports..

His previous attacks sure tell another story

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[Spinnaker]

Thanks Spinnaker, I remember reading that article a while back. I am not sure that the person who was in BRE's year 12 GSHS yearbook studied law with CG at UWA is a barrister, I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere...

Apparently EE was a legal secretary at Corrs Chambers Westgarth.

CG worked with senior partner Neal Fearis when he was at Blake Dawson Waldron. He was with Ciara the night she went missing (he drove her there after a work function) and offered to drive her home but unfortunately she left early because she was tired.

EDIT: Sorry Spinnaker: I just saw your edited post about the barrister. Maybe I had forgotten about that post

Seems to be potential opportunities for BRE to meet CG on an acquaintance level - IMO.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Seems to be potential opportunities for BRE to meet CG on an acquaintance level - IMO.

And Perth is small town city - even pre-internet and Facebook.
So odds are good that the accused BRE either set eyes on victims or even met them whether socially or professionally.

Furthermore, slim chance the accused crossed paths with SS, since her place of employment was involved in town planning, of which Telstra would have been informed or consulted also. Very slim possibility, but not impossible in Perth.

 

[billybanana]

And Perth is small town city - even pre-internet and Facebook.
So odds are good that the accused BRE either set eyes on victims or even met them whether socially or professionally.

In 1996 Perth had a population of 1.2M people. The small town thing where it's suggested everyone knows everyone is overstated way too often. I've not met 99.9999% of the city's inhabitants.

 

[Spinnaker]

In 1996 Perth had a population of 1.2M people. The small town thing where it's suggested everyone knows everyone is overstated way too often. I've not met 99.9999% of the city's inhabitants.

In the Western suburbs and in certain professions, this is definitely the case (small town & connected) - it is a small town, even now.

 

[Guccigal]

Hi spinnaker, I agree perth has 2 degrees of separation. Especially if you went to school and uni and worked on St George's Terace, you would be very surpirised at who knows who!

 

[Look4Clues]

Yes, agree 100% ... St George's Tce professions, law firms, accountants, mining industry, private schools etc - and people living in the western suburbs are generally very big on socialising and networking... has been like that for many years ...

In the Western suburbs and in certain professions, this is definitely the case (small town & connected) - it is a small town, even now.

 

[Moustachio]

I have been looking into the taking of DNA by police.

"Police can take samples from people charged with, or suspected of, committing a serious offence that carries a statutory penalty of 12 months or more, regardless of the actual sentence imposed."

https://www.police.wa.gov.au/Crime/Identifying-people/DNA-samples

And a list of offence penalties can be found here.

http://www.dpp.wa.gov.au/_files/Section32_Offence_Penalties_Table.pdf

I would like to point out that taking part in unlawful assembly will get you 12 months jail and a $12,000 fine, however, if you want to own child *advertiser censored* you will only receive fines, no jail terms at all. Our judicial system has it's priorities wrong.

To summarise, there are lots of minor crimes which carry a minimum 12 months sentence. So while the sentence is often not imposed it does seem to enable the taking of DNA.

Do we know what DNA tests are used in Australia? Some places only use the Y-Str, thus limiting the search to male relatives.


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Um, no.

 

[GreenE]

I just thought I'd post a CSK timeline, just for the sake of it. Feel free to bash it. Facts are mostly drawn from news articles, police reports and some info from this forum.


1985 - BE attends Gosnells SHS and is referred to as “Bogsy" in a yearbook.
1986 - BE is employed by Telecom/Telstra.
1988 - A person with the initials “B,R,E” was registered at an address on Gay St Huntingdale in the WA electoral roles.
1988 - February 15 - BE allegedly indecently assaults 18YO woman during break-in, Huntingdale. Startled, he flees the scene. A kimono containing BE’s DNA is held in storage by WAPOL as evidence.
1991 - BE purchases 10 Fountain Way, Huntingdale.
1995 - February 12 - Police allege BE abducts a 17 year old girl as she walked through Rowe Park in Claremont. Restrained using either telephone wire or screen printing line, she is then hooded and forced into a van or station-wagon in which she was then taken to the nearby KK Cemetery, tied to a tree, raped and left. She escapes and runs to Hollywood Hospital in Shenton Park. (According to some reports she described her attacker as having short brown hair about 182cm tall).
1996 - January 27 - 2:06AM SS calls Swan Taxis from phone booth on corner of Stirling Rd and Stirling Hwy requesting pickup near the phone booth. Occupants of a car claim possibly seeing SS at the pickup location and a vehicle behind, which possibly stopped near her. Minutes later taxi arrives but SS is gone.
1996 - June 9 - 12:01AM - A man (MM) is briefly speaking to JR. A few minutes later JR is no longer in that location. A few unconfirmed sightings are reported of JR in the vicinity around that time, some suggesting she travelled up the Stirling Hwy as far as Loch Street towards Perth.
1996 - June 9 - some time after the last sighting, JR enters/is put in a VS series 1 commodore the police will allege BE was in the possession of. The fibres of the vehicle upholstery are transferred to JR’s clothes in such quantities that they could not have been transferred by sitting normally in a car.
1996 - August 3 - JR’s body is found in in scrub off Woolcoot Rd, Wellard.
1997 - March 14 - At approx 11:50PM, CG tells friends she is leaving the Continental nightclub in Claremont.
1997 - March 15 - At approx 12:00AM CG seen walking on the southern sidewalk of Stirling Hwy outside, Australian Computer Resellers, next to the dental surgery. She’s seen walking westbound passed the Taste of Thai Restaurant and the Baptist Church. A male yells alerting her and she responds dismissively. She is seen a few minutes later talking to the occupant(s) of a light coloured vehicle (in some reports possibly a Holden Commodore station wagon) while leaning over near Stirling Rd. The male who yelled looks back moments later and CG and the vehicle are not visible. Other possible sightings of CG on Stirling Hwy during this period are reported.
1997 - March 15 - Some time after the last sighting, CG is allegedly abducted by BE and murdered.
1997 - April 2 - BE & EC sell property on Fountain Way, Huntingdale.
1997 - April 3 - CG’s body is discovered in a shallow grave in bush near a dirt track off Pippidinny Rd, Eglington. BE’s DNA is present at the scene.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[GreenE]

I am of the opinion the key reason the CSK chose Claremont was the proximity to the Karrakatta Cemetery.

I think the first rape victim from Claremont in 1995 was when he'd established an MO for abduction and rape but not yet murder. He knew how to take them but wasn't yet sure how to get rid of them. I think it's likely all three of the missing/murdered victims were also taken to Karrakatta before being murdered and disposed of. He wouldn't have wanted to keep them alive for too long after abduction IMO in case he was pulled over by the police, which is why he needed to take his victims from nearby to KK. It would be much easier to hide a dead body in a car than one that is moving, especially in a Commodore station wagon without a boot.

Driving by there recently I see KK as a frighteningly dark and from the CSK's perspective, safe place for him to take a victim, rape them for as long as he liked and kill them. He could have turned the lights off as he pulled in, driven right in to the most remote part and even in the highly unlikely event any cars did happen to drive in there, he would've known immediately because they'd need their lights on. Similarly, pedestrians wouldn't tend to walk through there at night unless they were weirdos, on the "graveyard shift" or late night grievers (also kinda weirdos). The latter two pedestrian types would likely carry some sort of lighting with them, so again he would have noticed them.

I think he'd had success in raping the first victim in 1995 there and got away with it but realised he could no longer take the risk of leaving them there alive like he did with her so he started killing and dumping their bodies in bush areas on the outskirts of the city.

 

[Sillybilly]

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