Australia Australia - Claremont SK, 1996-97, Perth, WA - #14

[Canning Vale]

How Serial Killers were Caught

Martha Rendell – killer stepmother (East Perth, WA – 1900s)
Rendell was the only woman to be hanged at Fremantle Prison (06/10/1909).

In summary, Rendell was the common-law wife of Thomas Morris, who had five children of whom the pair had responsibility. Over a period of time, Rendell cold-bloodedly murdered three of Morris’ children.
The crimes came to light when the son George Morris, was reported missing, and neighbours expressed concern because his two sisters and a brother had already died - under suspicious circumstances.
Rendell failed to show any remorse for her despicable crimes.

Due to the unique aspects of the case, the papers were sent to the CID at New Scotland Yard in London.

http://fremantlestuff.info/people/rendell.html

http://policewahistory.org.au/HTML_Pages/Child_Murders.html

 

[meticulously]

There maynot even have been a rip on night of 21[SUP]st[/SUP] / 22 June1988. Although it is hard to see the background waves of the beach when the carwas retrieved, you can see spillingwaves with no break in them indicating no rip current in the area from thegroyne . However, I happy to look at the forces of waves to see if they could cause this damage and answer thequestion on rips and types of waves.[/FONT]

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Innerchild,
I have identified another very interesting bit of information.
This could be of interest to you because you say that the car went in the sea on the night of 21st .

I have identified that the swell was very powerful during the day of 22nd june .

I have compiled a mass of evidence to support this .

A piece of information that was not known previously until yesterday when i quizzed the Oceanographer .
Dangerous swell event ;

"Low frequency is high period. 1/freq =period"

Its known as a "Long Period Swell"

20-22 seconds , 3-4 metres
( at rottnest island buoy data )

I will post more information if anyones interested or if it becomes relevant to the JC car mystery developments
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[Innerchild]

Rips and waves: What I was saying is that waves will not form where rip currents occur, and that is how you recognise where the rip is. The flatter the wave the faster the rip current going out to sea is. See diagram. Possible fastest speed of current he measured was 2 m/s according to Olsson (2004).

[url]https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/108321/calculating-the-mass-of-a-wave-of-water[/URL]

Spilling waves are waves that are produced when the ocean floor has a gentle slope. As the wave approaches the shore, it slowly releases energy, and the crest gradually spills forward down its face until it is all whitewater. These waves take more time to break than any other wave.

Plunging waves or dumpers are formed when the incoming swell hits a steep ocean floor or a sea bottom with sudden depth changes. As a result, the wave's crest curls over and explodes on the trough. The air under the lip of the wave is compressed, and a crashing sound is often heard. Plungers are more common in offshore wind conditions.

[FONT=&quot]Surging wavesare produced when long period swells arrive at coastlines with steep beachprofiles. The base of the wave moves fast and does not allow the crest toevolve. As a result, the wave almost doesn't break, and there is littlewhitewater. Surging waves look friendly, but can be quite deadly because of thebackwash associated with them.
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Collapsing waves are a blend between surging and plunging waves. The crest never completely breaks, and the bottom face of the wave gets vertical and collapses, resulting in whitewater.

[h=2]Why do waves break? The breaking of waves is studied by fluid dynamics; a sub-discipline of physics that studies the science behind liquids and gases.[/h][url]https://www.surfertoday.com/surfing/10588-why-do-waves-break[/URL]

Some websites for calculating the mass of a wave

[url]https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/108321/calculating-the-mass-of-a-wave-of-water[/URL]

http://www.wikiwaves.org/Wave_Momentum_Flux

The force behind wind and waves (2013)
http://www.claimsjournal.com/news/national/2013/02/20/223521.htm
Looks at difference in forces and damage from wind and waves. “Flood forces occur at ground level, and they can be very large, but they’re limited to the height of the water,” he said. For example, hydrostatic, dynamic, breaking waves, impact loads from floating debris.
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[meticulously]

Rips and waves: What I was saying is that waves will not form where rip currents occur, and that is how you recognise where the rip is. The flatter the wave the faster the rip current going out to sea is. See diagram. Possible fastest speed of current he measured was 2 m/s according to Olsson (2004).

[url]https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/108321/calculating-the-mass-of-a-wave-of-water[/URL]

Spilling waves are waves that are produced when the ocean floor has a gentle slope. As the wave approaches the shore, it slowly releases energy, and the crest gradually spills forward down its face until it is all whitewater. These waves take more time to break than any other wave.

Plunging waves or dumpers are formed when the incoming swell hits a steep ocean floor or a sea bottom with sudden depth changes. As a result, the wave's crest curls over and explodes on the trough. The air under the lip of the wave is compressed, and a crashing sound is often heard. Plungers are more common in offshore wind conditions.

[FONT=&quot]Surging wavesare produced when long period swells arrive at coastlines with steep beachprofiles. The base of the wave moves fast and does not allow the crest toevolve. As a result, the wave almost doesn't break, and there is littlewhitewater. Surging waves look friendly, but can be quite deadly because of thebackwash associated with them.
.[/FONT]

Collapsing waves are a blend between surging and plunging waves. The crest never completely breaks, and the bottom face of the wave gets vertical and collapses, resulting in whitewater.

[h=2]Why do waves break? The breaking of waves is studied by fluid dynamics; a sub-discipline of physics that studies the science behind liquids and gases.[/h][url]https://www.surfertoday.com/surfing/10588-why-do-waves-break[/URL]

Some websites for calculating the mass of a wave

[url]https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/108321/calculating-the-mass-of-a-wave-of-water[/URL]

http://www.wikiwaves.org/Wave_Momentum_Flux

The force behind wind and waves (2013)
http://www.claimsjournal.com/news/national/2013/02/20/223521.htm
Looks at difference in forces and damage from wind and waves. “Flood forces occur at ground level, and they can be very large, but they’re limited to the height of the water,” he said. For example, hydrostatic, dynamic, breaking waves, impact loads from floating debris.
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You have no idea im sorry
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[meticulously]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...f/news-story/f22789a188815cd2ccc5c384adbebf4f

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/b...-right-in-was-south-west-20160517-gox30p.html

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-26/wa-surfers-enjoy-big-swell/6575754?pfmredir=sm

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/b...her-bring-fun-and-danger-20150627-ghz8f0.html

For example
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Link posted by Innerchild :
https://www.surfertoday.com/surfing/9116-the-importance-of-swell-period-in-surfing

Quote from link article :
"The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) notes that the peak period identifies either the period (the time between waves) associated with the locally generated wind sea (in cases with strong local winds) or the dominant wave system (swell) that is generated elsewhere.

Long-period swells accumulate energy, travel faster, and can easily cope with local winds and currents, resulting in larger surf when it comes to average wave height.*Forerunners are the first waves coming in on long-period swells. They usually move faster that the remaining carriages of the wave train.

Although forerunner waves carry a large amount of energy, they are not easily spotted"

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[The Weaver]

You have no idea im sorry
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Absolutely none. This is so far off track its ridiculous

 

[Innerchild]

[url]http://www.surf-forecast.com/breaks/Cottesloe-Beach/webcams/latest[/URL]

South Cott webcam Thursday 1st June with forecast.
Wind: South to southwest about 10 knots becoming west to southwesterly 10 to 15 knots early in the morning then becoming below 10 knots in the late evening.
Swell: Southwesterly 2 to 3 metres.
Seas: Around 1 metre.
Weather: Mostly sunny. 20% chance of a shower.

 

[meticulously]

Quote Innerchild :
"for 1988 and June 21/22 or if you already have given that information as one to two metres swell. Can you please confirm met?"

Ok ,
I have posted graphs with swell data .
Take 60% off the Rottnest buoy size for cottesloe size (estimated).

The swell on the 22nd maybe approximately 1-2metres at 20second
Period .

the reason i am here is to notify you that the day of 22nd was a very "long period swell"
Unless you understand what that means then you'll miss the point .

"Long-period swells accumulate energy, travel faster, and can easily cope with local winds and currents, resulting in larger surf when it comes to average wave height.*Forerunners are the first waves coming in on long-period swells. They usually move faster that the remaining carriages of the wave train.
Although forerunner waves carry a large amount of energy, they are not easily spotted"


Ive got a bunch of articles about these dangerous events ready to post , if you want them posted here ?

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[meticulously]

Innerchild, i advise you to look just another day beyond ,
get that surf forecast.com page and look at sunday, and also repost it .

Then i can explain easier .
Ok
Saturday & Sunday please ?

Have a look at this data too and look at it every day for this month june and observe the direction arrows.

http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/imarine/cottesloe-tide-and-wave.asp

 

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[url]http://www.surf-forecast.com/breaks/Cottesloe-Beach/webcams/latest[/URL]

South Cott webcam Thursday 1st June with forecast.
Wind: South to southwest about 10 knots becoming west to southwesterly 10 to 15 knots early in the morning then becoming below 10 knots in the late evening.
Swell: Southwesterly 2 to 3 metres.
Seas: Around 1 metre.
Weather: Mostly sunny. 20% chance of a shower.

Your information is irrelevant,
Completely .
This shows the true information;
http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/imarine/cottesloe-tide-and-wave.asp

 

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[meticulously]

Innerchild,
What are you doing this for ?
Theres is an onslaught of irrelevant, misunderstood wrongly used links and attempts to convince everyone of the misinformation your selling ?

The descriptions of waves, currents & rips, which is clearly obvious you dont know about, And the topic of waves & wave climates.

I have provided researched data from Scientists and i am also an expert in this field .
You just continuously derail the factual information with irrelevant random opinions that you dont actually understand what your talking about .
The information i provided has a source, its fact , read it .
Why argue with scientific data , without actually understanding the relative topics ?

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[Canning Vale]

Has anyone managed to obtain a list of vehicles driven by BRE?
That's apart from the white, work van and early model white Commodore. Evidently BRE hadn't had the Commodore for long prior to selling it. He may have owned a few vehicles at the time, and it's possible to borrow someone else's vehicle. I'm not suggesting that BRE did this, it's only my thoughts and opinion.

My apologies for not having any links, it's information read quiet some time ago.

 

[Canning Vale]

Looking with fresh eyes …. are there any new members who have an opinion with regard to the case of Kerry Turner?

Kerry was aged 18 when last seen alive at Shepparton Rd, Victoria Park accepting a lift from someone who a witness described as driving a dark blue car similar to a Datsun 260c with spoked wheels (30/06/1991).

Note: during that era Shepparton Rd, was a main arterial to Perth’s southern suburbs.

Four weeks later Kerry’s body was found by a member of the public in bushland near Canning Dam.
Below is an article

http://www.watoday.com.au

 

[petedavo.au]

Looking with fresh eyes …. are there any new members who have an opinion with regard to the case of Kerry Turner?

Kerry was aged 18 when last seen alive at Shepparton Rd, Victoria Park accepting a lift from someone who a witness described as driving a dark blue car similar to a Datsun 260c with spoked wheels (30/06/1991).

Note: during that era Shepparton Rd, was a main arterial to Perth’s southern suburbs.

Four weeks later Kerry’s body was found by a member of the public in bushland near Canning Dam.
Below is an article

http://www.watoday.com.au

Anyone going to the State Library this weekend, might find this interesting.
https://beta.worldcat.org/archivegrid/collection/data/762912744

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[petedavo.au]

Anyone going to the State Library this weekend, might find this interesting.
https://beta.worldcat.org/archivegrid/collection/data/762912744

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Don't need to visit the library as it can actually be played online.

http://purl.slwa.wa.gov.au/slwa_b1832897_1

http://purl.slwa.wa.gov.au/slwa_b1832897_2

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[Innerchild]

Innerchild,
What are you doing this for ?
Theres is an onslaught of irrelevant, misunderstood wrongly used links and attempts to convince everyone of the misinformation your selling ?

The descriptions of waves, currents & rips, which is clearly obvious you dont know about, And the topic of waves & wave climates.

I have provided researched data from Scientists and i am also an expert in this field .
You just continuously derail the factual information with irrelevant random opinions that you dont actually understand what your talking about .
The information i provided has a source, its fact , read it .
Why argue with scientific data , without actually understanding the relative topics ?

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Now's that's vicious. I've never pretended to fully understand your graphs. I do find the simpler surf forecast""

and b.o.m. data taken off Cott bouy easier to understand and compare to real time photos from Cott. However as far as waves, rips, currents, not only do I have the practical experience of 8 year patrolling Cott as a lifesaver, I have two National titles in SLS events before coming to Perth which involved swimming through seas after cyclones that did have rips, currents and waves breaking over the bouys and a post grad degree in physics and biomechanics as well as business experience in wave power. I'm not trying to make this a pissing contest and I'm only trying to calculate the forces that caused the damage to the Fiat, which is relevant IMO. Looking forward to tomorrow's 3.5 metre swell between 2.00 am and 5.00 am.
Cott today 3rd June 9.00 am from live webcam. 2.5 metre swell WSW direction.

taken one after the other in two webcam sweeps

 

[meticulously]

Today cottesloe swell was under and just above 1 metre .

Many surf reports are incorrectly calibrated .
http://www.surf-forecast.com/breaks/Cottesloe-Beach/forecasts/latest

Some over estimate and some underestimate .

They are free websites and have no obligation to correlate with actual true sizes .

Near real time observations and hindcasting are measured and that information is all that matters as its true data.

Heres the graph showing todays size .
Tomorrow will be much more promising to make observations , Two metres approximately.

http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/imarine/cottesloe-tide-and-wave.asp
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This type of rip may occur at cott beach

 

[Canning Vale]

Don't need to visit the library as it can actually be played online.

http://purl.slwa.wa.gov.au/slwa_b1832897_1

http://purl.slwa.wa.gov.au/slwa_b1832897_2


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Petedavo,

I've listened to the two recordings of James Tilbury, recorded whilst in prison, May 1990. Tilbury sounded quiet sensible, certainly not rough, and wanted to understand why he'd committed the crimes. Tilbury mentioned picking up a hitchhiker, but nothing to do with Kerry Turner - last seen June 1991.

 

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Now's that's vicious. I've never pretended to fully understand your graphs. I do find the simpler surf forecast""
and b.o.m. data taken off Cott bouy easier to understand and compare to real time photos from Cott. However as far as waves, rips, currents, not only do I have the practical experience of 8 year patrolling Cott as a lifesaver, I have two National titles in SLS events before coming to Perth which involved swimming through seas after cyclones that did have rips, currents and waves breaking over the bouys and a post grad degree in physics and biomechanics as well as business experience in wave power. I'm not trying to make this a pissing contest and I'm only trying to calculate the forces that caused the damage to the Fiat, which is relevant IMO. Looking forward to tomorrow's 3.5 metre swell between 2.00 am and 5.00 am.

Quote:"I'm not trying to make this a pissing contest and I'm only trying to calculate the forces that caused the damage to the Fiat, which is relevant IMO.
Looking forward to tomorrow's 3.5 metre swell between 2.00 am and 5.00 am.[/QUOTE]


So do you only want to calculate the forces that caused damage ?

Use the data of the swell readings on the graphs .
If you don't understand try asking me .

The days both 20th and the 22nd
Are potentially powerful enough waves to create a dangerous situation with rips or waves smashing into solid objects .

Simple advice .

IC,
Theres a lot of factors u aren't taking into account with your understanding about the ocean.
Swell Period is the most important subject being missed ;
From "surf forecast.com"

There is countless errors in your use of
forecasts and estimates .

What is the continuing agenda here with pictures of cottesloe beach today , passing false information off as fact without links eg ;
Some previous grave errors from memory ;

"waves dont break in rips",
"Theres no rips at cott"
"The reef wasnt there before 2000"

All false so why keep pushing it ?