GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #1

[aussie_girl88]

Aussie Girl - I am hoping that this incident is enough to change your mind. You have always have the choice take the risk or be completely safe. And while its not guaranteed you will get hurt if you take the riskier option -you can get lucky and miss out - what sense is there in taking the risk when you could lose everything?

Thanks for the concern, and it does certainly open my eyes to this possibility. I think we are all guilty of doing stupid things whilst under the influence of alcohol. I will now stop being stubborn and accept people to walk with me that's for sure!

 

[Sleuthilicious]

I think this might be what was referred to as a 'midlife crisis'.

"Mr Wright said Ms Meagher had expressed some anxiety about her job, but otherwise seemed upbeat."

http://www.news.com.au/national/items-found-in-hunt-for-missing-abc-radio-employee-jill-meagher-as-homicide-squad-investigates-in-brunswick/story-fndo4eg9-1226479708333

 

[marlywings]

Ms Meagher has not accessed her bank account and her mobile phone is switched off.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-24/jill-meagher-missing/4276752

 

[Blue Bottle]

Ok here's something I find puzzling - although to be fair I could be completely reading into the situation wrongly, or the media could be reporting incorrect facts.

If you look at the screencap, we can see the handbag is located right outside the drivers door.

I have seen a few articles which mention that the white car was last moved by it's owner on the Saturday - http://www.news.com.au/national/ite...tes-in-brunswick/story-fndo4eg9-1226479708333

So unless the car was moved in the small window of time between 12am and 1.45am (whichever time Jill was in the alleyway, if at all), what would be the chances the driver not seeing the handbag when they were moving the car?

Perhaps I'm reading too much into this. I suppose unless we are looking specifically for something, it can be easy to miss what is right under our nose.

Depends how you read the wording of the news article I think...

The owner of the car, who lives in a nearby unit that opens onto the laneway, said she had not moved it since Saturday.

That could mean that she didn't move it Saturday at all... Since Saturday started...

Sort of like a double innunedo thingy.

 

[theowlsgo]

Not sure why some are commenting that it's a long distance between Bar Ettiquette and Lux Way. Google Maps says it's 800 metres or 10 minutes. That, to me, is not a long walk home. The second route option given on Google Maps goes up Sydney Rd and left at Hope St. This seems like a safer option than going down Victoria at that time of night as Sydney Rd is well lit and generally busy with both cars and pedestrians. Hope St would have been darker and quieter definitely but maybe she took the gamble because it was only 400 metres til home.

 

[GutFeeling!]

Morning! I am an Aussie that lives in Texas USA now. I just got caught up One thing I noticed is the difference in how Australians and Americans word things (trust me I am always getting it wrong lol) There are also different names for different items eg the purse that was mentioned. My purse is what I put money in, in America my handbag is referred to as a purse.
America and Australia culturally are very different. I walked home from a bars in Australia all the time, I wouldn't do that here - the street that she lives on is literally a stone throw away from the bar. The comments made of "5 minute walk" is typical rounding of a time in my opinion (Americans are much more precise than Australians lol)

The other thing was the "midlife crisis" (referring to her work) comment - I think that is the new term for stressed - my teenage niece uses it and I have noticed the 20-30s around here use it (they have no right- they are no where NEAR midlife lol) - just my thoughts on that

 

[they'll get you]

In the interview the hubby says 'she left' then relises the mistake he made, he is believable but somehow I'm feeling they could have been having issues. Why wasn't hubby with her as it was Saturday & not after work. In NSW we had a beautiful young angel named Anita Cobby who was abducted by several 'animals' who raped and killed her in the most horrific way. Anita decided to walk home from the station, she had a right of safe passage to do so but that 1% chance of harm happened.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Another article.
Her brother is quoted as saying that Tom woke up at 2am and saw the text message and he started calling her and got no answer so he went for a walk down to the pub to see if she was around.

http://www.independent.ie/national-...olice-called-in-as-handbag-found-3239575.html

:moo:

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Sorry I must have missed that part. What was the mistake he thought he made?

In the interview the hubby says 'she left' then relises the mistake he made, he is believable but somehow I'm feeling they could have been having issues. Why wasn't hubby with her as it was Saturday & not after work. In NSW we had a beautiful young angel named Anita Cobby who was abducted by several 'animals' who raped and killed her in the most horrific way. Anita decided to walk home from the station, she had a right of safe passage to do so but that 1% chance of harm happened.

:moo:

 

[Blue Bottle]

Why wasn't hubby with her as it was Saturday & not after work.

Not sure exactly what you mean that her husband should have been with her. Regardless what night it was I would think it's okay for any married women to go out and not have her husband necessarliy with her.

However, in this case she went missing during the early hours of Saturday morning after spending Friday night at the bar (after work I assume) with her friends.


http://video.heraldsun.com.au/2282817668/ABC-radio-employee-missing-in-Melbourne

 

[they'll get you]

:fence:

The handbag doesnt look very small to me, I think it would have been seen earlier and its a bit suss that its found now.

So true bayside, that's a biggish bag & not a small evening bag which then you take the bear essentials. I'd imagine if that was the everyday bag you'd leave everything in it.

 

[GutFeeling!]

Aussie Girl - I am hoping that this incident is enough to change your mind. You have always have the choice take the risk or be completely safe. And while its not guaranteed you will get hurt if you take the riskier option -you can get lucky and miss out - what sense is there in taking the risk when you could lose everything?

I am not sure where you are from Liaden, but I understand where Aussie Girl is coming from.
When I am home in Australia I visit a bar (leagues club in this case to aussies) and just checked mapquest for how far it is from that bar to the train station - it is about 3/4 of a mile (Jillian was about half a mile from home). In Australia I walk to the station, stand on the station (often alone), wait for the train, get to my stop, walk up a dark street for about a quarter of a mile to get home - that is Australia - we have an extensive transport system in major cities and random breath testing is rife so we don't drive lol (limit is .05 in comparison to Texas' .08)

When my aussie friends come to visit here there is no way I would allow them to walk home, although they would expect to be able to and if not get a bus, train or tram to the nearest stop and walk the rest of the distance. In my city we lack any kind of transport - you have to drive (no way I would walk here).

I guess what I am trying to say is that we have different mindsets. Jillian probably went to work daily via public transport - they went to another place after work and then headed home stopping at a more local bar for those last drinks.

Just trying to explain to Americans and Australians the differences in the way we think.

 

[Dion]

Jill's work colleague offered to walk her home, and she declined the offer. However, it was mentioned that he hopped into a taxi and she left on foot. He could easily have offered her a ride, which would have made more sense than walking her home (as presumably it was easier for him to catch a cab on a main street than where she lived).

 

[GutFeeling!]

In the interview the hubby says 'she left' then relises the mistake he made, he is believable but somehow I'm feeling they could have been having issues. Why wasn't hubby with her as it was Saturday & not after work. In NSW we had a beautiful young angel named Anita Cobby who was abducted by several 'animals' who raped and killed her in the most horrific way. Anita decided to walk home from the station, she had a right of safe passage to do so but that 1% chance of harm happened.

Hi They'll get you - one little thing to save time for everyone - when you quote part of an interview or story pop the link up so everyone can see where you got that information and not have to search (otherwise a whole lot of people will quote you with a "linl please" comment lol)
BBM I don't think it is unusual at all to go out with colleagues after work without a spouse. I would often do that and often called him earlier to ask if he would like to come - and call again if I changed bars and once again invite him. Maybe she finished work earlier than him - maybe he went out with his friends .... until the questions are asked we won't know.


Snipped and BBM: Distraught Tom told the Irish Sun last night: “She went out with work friends and never came home.

“I think someone did something to her because it is so out of character.

“I’m absolutely freaking out. I just wish I knew where she was.”

Jillian was last seen leaving a bar in the early hours of Saturday.

Tom said: “She texted me asking me to come down to the pub but I was asleep at the time so I didn’t get the message until about 1am.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...-terror-for-missing-girl-Im-freaking-out.html

Tom says it is out of character for her to "go out with friends and not come home" - I read that as "The only unusual thing is she didn't come home"

MOO - I don't think this poor man had anything to do with his wife's disappearance. She was on the phone to her brother at 1:45am and her husband started calling her at around 2am - both of those things can easily be verified - along with the calls he made all night.

 

[J-Diggety]

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2. The area behind the shopfronts and facades looks to be fairly industrial - not the sort of place I'd expect an attractive woman to be out walking alone

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Grubs of the world don't discriminate, unusual faux pas by yourself Doc, you're better than that.

I understand you've tried to explain you're reasoning, but it doesn't wash.

 

[Blue Bottle]

He said he didn't notice the text til 1am. He had been asleep at the time the text came in.
He didn't say what time she sent the text.

Tom said: “She texted me asking me to come down to the pub but I was asleep at the time so I didn’t get the message until about 1am"

Just imagine the terrible inner gut wrenching feeling.

I bet he's wishing he hadn't fallen asleep and is more than likely beating himself up badly for this and for missing out the opportunity of joining her. Not to say that he would have necessarily gone out at the time to the pub because the last thing you would do is think that something would go this badly wrong.

Still... : (

 

[they'll get you]

Not sure exactly what you mean that her husband should have been with her. Regardless what night it was I would think it's okay for any married women to go out and not have her husband necessarliy with her.

However, in this case she went missing during the early hours of Saturday morning after spending Friday night at the bar (after work I assume) with her friends.


http://video.heraldsun.com.au/2282817668/ABC-radio-employee-missing-in-Melbourne

I didn't say her Husband should have been with her....I love being with my husband, I have a good time when he's around because I love him. Of course there's separate nights out on special occasions but this appears to be just a drink out & if so close to home, my hubby would ask me to call & him meet me there or either half way, i love the careing. Like i said I think they could have been having issues.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I don't see a problem there... Noone has a right to force themselves on any person to accept any help if they don't want it. She might have been quite adamant that she didn't want an escort home. .

It might be a concern or it might not but its odd to me. Maybe I was raised differently to you, we were taught to make sure people get home safely, whether thats escorting them personally or watching them walking from a distance.

That doesn't mean she didn't lose the contents. I remember reading she took no identification and I find that quite normal depending on the circumstances. If I'm going out drinking at the local I will leave all my ID at home knowing that if I lose it when tipsy it will be a pain as well as knowing that identity theft is rife. Though these days I do have a slip of paper in my purse with my name and my home phone number as well as the local taxi number.

All I take is my bankcard, mobile phone, tissues, only enough cash to do me the night and have it all in my handbag for ease of carrying it all. I also leave all my keys at home and only have one single key to get in the house. .

looking at the photo of the bag it looks a lot bigger than a clutch, too big for just a bankcard and phone. Also from the reports I've seen there were personal items in the bag including identification that belongs to Jill.

It's very difficult to know when the right time to ring and report someone missing is. When is the right time? Ring too early and the cops will ignore you and tell you to wait especially that she is an adult and not a child and was out drinking with workmates. Added to that, she was in the habit of going drinking with her workmates and arriving home late.

The worse one I did to my (adult) kids was go out one afternoon and tell them I'll definately be home by 6pm... Was having a wow of a time and at 5am got a frightened phone call from my son asking me if I was okay. On the other hand, he went away camping one long weekend with a friend and forgot to tell me (he thought he had told me) and I never called the cops and eventually a few days later he turned up back home.


It doesn't matter what anyone does in a situation like this where it has gone bad, they will never be right and will be judged harshly for any action they either do or don't take.

if he was concerned and calling from 2am to 6am without response
in my opinion it would be odd not to contact the police then, it seems strange that it took another 6 hours before he notified the police.

I'm sorry if you've been ignored by the police and were told to wait. I've not had that happen when I had concerns for an adults safety, the police were quick to respond and they located the person in a matter of hours, maybe its a location thing.

I'm not judging anyone, only stating things that seem a little odd in my opinion.

 

[GutFeeling!]

Jill's work colleague offered to walk her home, and she declined the offer. However, it was mentioned that he hopped into a taxi and she left on foot. He could easily have offered her a ride, which would have made more sense than walking her home (as presumably it was easier for him to catch a cab on a main street than where she lived).

Snipped: Ms Meagher insisted that she wanted to walk home alone, a friend has revealed.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/tr...tes-in-brunswick/story-fnat7jnn-1226479708333

Sounds to me that she had had a few and was adamant that she would be fine (yes yes my interpretation lol) He may have got a cab and left in the opposite direction.

 

[theowlsgo]

if he was concerned and calling from 2am to 6am without response
in my opinion it would be odd not to contact the police then, it seems strange that it took another 6 hours before he notified the police.

I wonder if he waited because he was under the common misconception that you have to wait a certain period of time before making a missing person's report.

On the other issue of going out without her husband, going out for Friday night drinks with work colleagues without your spouse is very very common here, particularly for 25-35 years olds. I do it all the time and no one would ever bring their spouse.

That part of Brunswick has a lot of factories and warehouses. I hope they are being searched thoroughly. I'm sure there'd be a few vacant ones.