GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #4

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Still dont get how courts can say "social media" effects trials? It's no different than people talking amoungst themselves...hence why potential jurors are questioned. Just because it's on social media doesnt make it any different than conversation.
 
Off topic in regard Jill Meagher, but sadly on topic in regard to sexual assault.

A woman who thought she was getting a lift home from Melbourne's Crown Casino was driven to an abandoned industrial park and brutally raped on Christmas morning, a court has heard.

The woman, in her early 20s, was beaten and repeatedly raped after accepting the lift from two men just days after she moved to Melbourne.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8541749/vic-man-jailed-over-christmas-rape
 
We don't have cable or pay TV, so hadn't really heard of the case apart from glimpses on Google News etc. We're not big TV watchers (careers are not all that conducive to TV watching) anyway, so not worth getting payTV.

And even for those who DO have payTV here in Australia - was that shown here?

Hi Doc,
I don't have pay tv, but watched via the internet as one tv channel was doing live cover from start to finish. Very intriguing, although one had to wait until 11.00pm or so Melbourne time for it to come on, during US daytime. Each half hour or so was up on the channels website, so I was always playing catch up. Very different from our Westminster system.
 
Still dont get how courts can say "social media" effects trials? It's no different than people talking amoungst themselves...hence why potential jurors are questioned. Just because it's on social media doesnt make it any different than conversation.

Probably the fact you can read a potentially biased hate page on FB, or check whats trending on twitter to the tune of 20000+ people.

You wont get that same effect from day to day conversation with your grocer, chemist, colleague.
 
MoonFlwr,
That's funny. I dont find our system to intriguing, (mostly about money, best attorney, etc. OJ is a good example, not right or wrong) though y'alls would be to me :)

That is the intriguing part to me Strait lol While they say a jury is a selection of your peers they have all that questioning to weed out who they don't want (both prosecutors and defense) - I just find the whole system here fascinating
 
I thought, and swear that I read somewhere that JM's phone may have been traced to AB's house just prior to his arrest?
 
I thought, and swear that I read somewhere that JM's phone may have been traced to AB's house just prior to his arrest?

I'm still checking FruitTingles but there was this report??...

September 29, 2012
The Weekend Australian has learned that Ms Meagher's mobile telephone, which had been switched off since shortly after she disappeared on Saturday morning, played a crucial role in the police investigation.

Her provider, Vodafone, helped track the location of her phone as well as providing call records which assisted detectives in making their arrest.

Victoria Police has privately thanked Vodafone for its assistance, but declined to comment on the phone's importance to the investigation

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...an-ernest-bayley/story-e6frg6nf-1226483787739
 
I'm still checking FruitTingles but there was this report??...

September 29, 2012
The Weekend Australian has learned that Ms Meagher's mobile telephone, which had been switched off since shortly after she disappeared on Saturday morning, played a crucial role in the police investigation.

Her provider, Vodafone, helped track the location of her phone as well as providing call records which assisted detectives in making their arrest.

Victoria Police has privately thanked Vodafone for its assistance, but declined to comment on the phone's importance to the investigation

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...an-ernest-bayley/story-e6frg6nf-1226483787739



Thanks Marlywings! That's the article I was thinking of but feeling way too lazy to look it up (sorry). So I guess it doesn't clearly say what I thought? Oops.
 
I'm still checking FruitTingles but there was this report??...

September 29, 2012
The Weekend Australian has learned that Ms Meagher's mobile telephone, which had been switched off since shortly after she disappeared on Saturday morning, played a crucial role in the police investigation.

Her provider, Vodafone, helped track the location of her phone as well as providing call records which assisted detectives in making their arrest.

Victoria Police has privately thanked Vodafone for its assistance, but declined to comment on the phone's importance to the investigation

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...an-ernest-bayley/story-e6frg6nf-1226483787739

BBM: That part is interesting ... calls were made? Obviously not by Jill.
 
BBM: That part is interesting ... calls were made? Obviously not by Jill.

They might mean call records because Tom was calling, ensuring her phone was communicating where it was?

I asked someone who works as a civilian for vic police in crime analysis about the phone records in general, I would love to know for certain what records are maintained ... like can they see where my phone was inactive but pinging a week ago if they access the data today? Or is more required, like I may be inactive but be called. Or for the info to be stored for any length of time do I have to connect a call or use mobile data or something? The person I asked didn't know or pretended well they didn't LOL
 
BBM: That part is interesting ... calls were made? Obviously not by Jill.

Why do you say "Not by Jill"?

Perhaps the records were used to establish the exact time and duration of the calls that Jill DID make, to confirm what her family said, and to try to narrow down the window of time in which the attack took place? Also to coordinate the times with those on the CCTV records they got?

Also, the unanswered calls from her brother and from Tom would have been logged as missed calls, so that information would suggest the other side of that time window.

They may also have records as to WHEN the SIM card was removed?

Plus the location services, etc...
 
BBM: That part is interesting ... calls were made? Obviously not by Jill.

I read it that way too ...

Suggesting perhaps Jill's SIM was removed from the phone and the phone was subsequently used ... which is pretty much the only way the phone would be located
 
I read it that way too ...

Suggesting perhaps Jill's SIM was removed from the phone and the phone was subsequently used ... which is pretty much the only way the phone would be located

A phone can still be located by provider even if the SIM card has been removed as it's locked into the provider??
 
:banghead:
I'm still checking FruitTingles but there was this report??...

September 29, 2012
The Weekend Australian has learned that Ms Meagher's mobile telephone, which had been switched off since shortly after she disappeared on Saturday morning, played a crucial role in the police investigation.

Her provider, Vodafone, helped track the location of her phone as well as providing call records which assisted detectives in making their arrest.

Victoria Police has privately thanked Vodafone for its assistance, but declined to comment on the phone's importance to the investigation

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...an-ernest-bayley/story-e6frg6nf-1226483787739

Thanks. Nice spot! Very compelling evidence, if true!
 
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_tracking#section_1

Not sure if this will help, but it explains how mobile phone's are traced. I'm currently very curious as to how they traced her phone and what actually happened with it and the sim card etc.





The technology of locating is based on measuring power levels and antenna patterns and uses the concept that a powered mobile phone always communicates wirelessly with one of the closest base stations, so knowledge of the location of the base station implies the cell phone is nearby.

Advanced systems determine the sector in which the mobile phone resides and roughly estimate also the distance to the base station. Further approximation can be done by interpolating signals between adjacent antenna towers. Qualified services may achieve a precision of down to 50 meters[citation needed] in urban areas where mobile traffic and density of antenna towers (base stations) is sufficiently high. Rural and desolate areas may see miles between base stations and therefore determine locations less precisely.

GSM localization is the use of multilateration to determine the location of GSM mobile phones, or dedicated trackers,[3][4] usually with the intent to locate the user.[2]

Localization-Based Systems can be broadly divided into:

Network-based
Handset-based
SIM-based
Hybrid
Network-based


This section does not cite any references or sources. (October 2011)
Network-based techniques utilize the service provider's network infrastructure to identify the location of the handset. The advantage of network-based techniques (from a mobile operator's point of view) is that they can be implemented non-intrusively, without affecting the handsets.

The accuracy of network-based techniques varies, with cell identification as the least accurate and triangulation as moderately accurate, and newer "Forward Link" timing methods as the most accurate. The accuracy of network-based techniques is both dependent on the concentration of base station cells, with urban environments achieving the highest possible accuracy, and the implementation of the most current timing methods.

One of the key challenges of network-based techniques is the requirement to work closely with the service provider, as it entails the installation of hardware and software within the operator's infrastructure. Often, a legislative framework, such as E911, would need to be in place to compel the cooperation of the service provider as well as to safeguard the privacy of the information.

Handset-based

Handset-based technology requires the installation of client software on the handset to determine its location. This technique determines the location of the handset by computing its location by cell identification, signal strengths of the home and neighboring cells, which is continuously sent to the carrier. In addition, if the handset is also equipped with GPS then significantly more precise location information is then sent from the handset to the carrier.

The key disadvantage of this technique (from mobile operator's point of view) is the necessity of installing software on the handset. It requires the active cooperation of the mobile subscriber as well as software that must be able to handle the different operating systems of the handsets. Typically, smartphones, such as one based on Symbian, Windows Mobile, Windows Phone, BlackBerry OS, iPhone, or Android, would be able to run such software.

SIM-based

Using the SIM in GSM and UMTS handsets, it is possible to obtain raw radio measurements from the handset.[5][6] The measurements that are available can include the serving Cell ID, round trip time and signal strength. The type of information obtained via the SIM can differ from what is available from the handset. For example, it may not be possible to obtain any raw measurements from the handset directly, yet still obtain measurements via the SIM.
 
I know with my previous iPhone - when it was stolen, I contacted apple about it and they said if I'd had a software called MobileMe installed on it, which is through iTunes (If I remember the name of it correctly) it could have been traced directly to whoever had it, even if the person had removed my sim card. Perhaps they could have tried this if JM had an iPhone? Who knows though, I'm no expert! JMO and thoughts.
 
Does this apply both ways? Or is just all men who need to look at themselves because of the actions of a tiny percentage of men?

That small % of men (it's not that small by the way - it's at least 6% - 1 in 16 (citation at end of post). So those 1 in 16 men have non-rapist friends who don't know their friends are rapists - and you could easily be one of those. Do you have more than 15 male acquaintances?

Now men who hate women, by definition, do not care what women think. That is why only men can speak to them. I'm not suggesting you, as a man, are responsible for what awful men do - but you are the only one who can help. Women can't, because rapists don't care about women.

Here's the link: it gives a lot of suggestions for what good men can do to help prevent rape. It isn't your responsibility - of course it isn't. But if you want to, if you have the time and energy, these are some ways you can.

http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/meet-the-predators/
(Of the 1882 male college students who responded to a survey, 120 said that they had raped or attempted to rape a woman. Of course, it's likely the number who admitted it was less than the number that actually have, and also likely that by the age of 50, a higher % would have too.)

Edit: link also includes data on a study of Navy recruits, men aged 20-34. Of those 1146 participants, 144, or 13%, admitted an attempted or completed rape

2nd Edit: What I'm getting at is that you need to be aware that in any large-ish social gathering, there is a good chance the things you say are being heard by a rapist. What message are you sending him? If you make rape jokes, he's hearing the message that rape is not a big deal

3rd Edit: sorry, I did not mean to make the assumption that you were a man. Everything I wrote I still hold to, but I shouldn't have made that assumption

4th edit, sigh: those surveys only deal with rape by men of women. I gather around 6% of rapists are women
 
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