Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #12

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Of course I don't have a link. A link to what?

as a rule of thumb, anyone who can only buy a 16th share of a horse, or even multiples of 16ths is an habitual and unstoppable gambler... the thing about horses, as entering the industry, is ... if you buy shares in companies, or property, you lay down the principal , but with horse owning , racehorse owning, you lay down your principal buy and then you continue to spend high amounts for the entire horse's life thereafter... you'd have to have big money to buy a horse outright with the breeding to give a reasonable chance of a win, but that's merely another sort of gamble. Really expensive and well bred horses crash into gates and break a leg just before a big race, after a few years of chewing thru $ 100,000 worth of feed, vets fees, farriers fees, registeration fees, management fees, stabling, air conditioning, trainers, dear oh dear on and on..

Like farmers, in many ways, it requires a gamblers soul. There isn't any science in it, it's all guesswork , you can train 10 horses exactly the same, and get 10 different results, and the odds are against you from the start..

in 2013/2014.....•4,200 did not earn any prize money
•15,000 earned $1,000 to $10,000
•10,200 earned $10,000 to $100,000
•700 earned $100,000 to $500,000
•50 earned greater than $500,000.

or to put it another way.....

•18,000+ did not win a race in the year
•7,000+ won one race
•3,000+ won two races
•less than 2,000 won 3 or more races.

obviously the odds are overwhelmingly against buying and / or breeding a winning mare or gelding.. Astronomical odds against it every day, without a gamblers mind it is such a glaringly obvious way to throw money away.

Calling race horse owners gamblers is the only correct term, nothing else would do.
 
It is my opinion. I am not sure what you are about here. This is the second time that you have been hostile to me.
The man is being accused of murder on this thread and you are offended that I have suggested he could be a gambling addict?

Really?
You didn't suggest, you stated. Big difference. If it is your opinion you should state that it is.

I haven't been hostile, I've asked questions. If you feel that I have been hostile please report me to the Mods.
 
It is my opinion. I am not sure what you are about here. This is the second time that you have been hostile to me.
The man is being accused of murder on this thread and you are offended that I have suggested he could be a gambling addict?

Really?

It's so easy for us to become frustrated while we are waiting and waiting for ARRESTS to be made...as we just seem to be going over and over the same old things that have been sleuthed and discussed in great detail throughout all the 12 Threads here for Karen...MOO

.......... :grouphug: :waiting::waiting::waiting: !!!
 
It is my opinion. I am not sure what you are about here. This is the second time that you have been hostile to me.
The man is being accused of murder on this thread and you are offended that I have suggested he could be a gambling addict?

Really?
There was speculation earlier, Jennifer, that BR may have been a high-stakes casino gambler, but the rumour hasn't been substantiated in any way. It would be very interesting to some of us if it were true. So that's partly why you were jumped on, but I thought you made it clear in a subsequent post that your labelling was an interpretation of what we already know.

I think the horse though is only linked to VR at this stage. No reason BR would be liable for those expenses.
 
One comment that has intrigued me, and appears to be gratituous is from Borce in the early days. It is in the Channel 9 recorded interview where he is in a blue shirt with Sarah and the aunt behind. He states that ' she went upstairs and then she left through the garage'...

Why state this? It would have been sufficient to state that 'she left'. Truth mixed with fiction? Of course she left through the garage - likely in the boot of the Mercedes. Not on foot under her own mobility. MOO
Are there two exits to the garage? I had an idea that the point was that he didn't actually see her go out onto the street; she may have taken the back way.
 
Thanks Wonky1. Wasn't sure. Curious to know whether anyone has come forward to the police and confirmed they changed the Mercedes car tyres. Or alternatively police were able to determine new car tyres had been placed on the car.

Doesn't seem to be enough time left in the time frame to schedule a four wheel tyre change . He would have had to find out if tyre place had her particular tyres in stock , sometimes they have to order them in. I wouldn't imagine you could just drive to a tyre store and have them changed immediately . They're always busy You would either have to wait around till they were available or return at an available time. Plus fitting 4 tyres would take around an hour or so including wheel balancing. That's just a guess regarding labour time of course.
Plus he would have to have a chunk of cash in hand to pay for it without there being a record . He wouldn't be able to pay for it on card , nor take out money from atm that day, too obvious .
 
Just re the suicide theory, was just having a look online about it and it looks like you still get your payout if one takes their own life, as long as the policy has been in existence for a while, like 2 years .... just had a quick look [emoji848]

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I calculate that at 16 part owners... not counting the trainer and manager, which would make it 18, but sticking to 16 lining up for a share in the prizemoney makes it .. um.. er...$4 715.625

Friends..$4715 is not much payout for the monies necessarily paid in. That works out at around $90 week.....a bale of hay costs $80, and that is just a snack to a racehorse....... an inbetweener twice a DAY.............


Vlasko must have been bleeding money 24/7, 365 days a year.


Here's the trainer speaking about Faltastic the crippled wonder horse and the tendon problems it has. :floorlaugh:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzSJSjoRIY
 
Do you have a link for them being addictive gamblers? I've only ever seen that said by you.

I've searched all MSM & I can't find any reference. Any ideas where this was seen or read??

This could blow this sky high!!!

OMG this is huge!

Hang on, is this a rumour with no basis? BS that's grown legs eh??
 
[video=youtube;NrzSJSjoRIY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzSJSjoRIY&app=desktop[/video]

not a skerrick of science or repeatable demonstration in it... merely. 'he's a nice horse'..!!.....

[video=youtube;Br0-0G_Bbtk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br0-0G_Bbtk[/video] ( is this a cousin of Borce and Vlasko ? )
 
Doesn't seem to be enough time left in the time frame to schedule a four wheel tyre change . He would have had to find out if tyre place had her particular tyres in stock , sometimes they have to order them in. I wouldn't imagine you could just drive to a tyre store and have them changed immediately . They're always busy You would either have to wait around till they were available or return at an available time. Plus fitting 4 tyres would take around an hour or so including wheel balancing. That's just a guess regarding labour time of course.
Plus he would have to have a chunk of cash in hand to pay for it without there being a record . He wouldn't be able to pay for it on card , nor take out money from atm that day, too obvious .

I wonder if it could be dome for $850 cash, no receipt.
 
One comment that has intrigued me, and appears to be gratituous is from Borce in the early days. It is in the Channel 9 recorded interview where he is in a blue shirt with Sarah and the aunt behind. He states that ' she went upstairs and then she left through the garage'...

Why state this? It would have been sufficient to state that 'she left'. Truth mixed with fiction? Of course she left through the garage - likely in the boot of the Mercedes. Not on foot under her own mobility. MOO

If she left through the garage , she would have had to exit via the roller door right? The neighbour across the road with cctv camera could quite possibly pick up a roller door rising and shutting . I wonder if it picked up on this or not? Even if blury just seeing if there was a roller door rising at 10ish would show if there was any truth , plus of course the big exit by Borce using Karen's car for the fuel gauge ride.
 
I think it's VR that is the gambler, he even plays roulette with the English language. I'm not putting much credence in the suicide theory. I think Boris acted alone initially, and has displayed the hallmarks of a disassociative narcissist.
 
you are the zinger queen, TGY......hehe.. ' he's a nice horse !!'...... the gamblers motto!!..

Like most horses when they can't and don't win they're sold off. 'Faltastic the Wonder Horse' is now a pet.
http://atracehorses.com.au/stable/news/id/20336/fantastic-re-homing-for-faltastic


Racehorses and Greyhounds, my darling dad called them 'wife starvers'.

The stable names are usually 'Lucky'.
'Just one more time hon, Lucky will do it. We'll get the kids shoes next week'.
 
[video=youtube;NrzSJSjoRIY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzSJSjoRIY&app=desktop[/video]

not a skerrick of science or repeatable demonstration in it... merely. 'he's a nice horse'..!!.....

[video=youtube;Br0-0G_Bbtk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br0-0G_Bbtk[/video] ( is this a cousin of Borce and Vlasko ? )

Thats outright hilarious!! :silly:

Jeff IS the trifecta! He's got everything except herpes! :floorlaugh:
 
it is not impossible that both Borce and Vlasko got somehow into the sticky and permanently angry hands of the money lenders who hang around horsey people, usually focusing on the 'wannabe' section, the ones who buy in hoping to win, as opposed to the ones who want to splash surplus money around for the hell of it.

Once in the grip of this contingent, all rational thought diminishes, and only the fear and panic remain.. Murder then becomes a comfortable ambience to dwell in, with the promise of a payout and an end to the terror.
 
I wonder if VR said, it's ok honey , I can see the speech therapist next week.
 
If she left through the garage , she would have had to exit via the roller door right? The neighbour across the road with cctv camera could quite possibly pick up a roller door rising and shutting . I wonder if it picked up on this or not? Even if blury just seeing if there was a roller door rising at 10ish would show if there was any truth , plus of course the big exit by Borce using Karen's car for the fuel gauge ride.

I wonder what BR has to say about the roller door. Was it already standing open before Karen went out? If not, did he find the door open afterwards? If not, would Karen have opened the door then pressed a button or something to shut it again and ducked out as it was closing? Did he hear any of this, as he was downstairs (?) and I would think the roller door would make some noise? If there was another exit, and he either did or didn't hear the roller door, did this give him an idea of which way Karen went out--onto the street or not?
 
it is not impossible that both Borce and Vlasko got somehow into the sticky and permanently angry hands of the money lenders who hang around horsey people, usually focusing on the 'wannabe' section, the ones who buy in hoping to win, as opposed to the ones who want to splash surplus money around for the hell of it.

Once in the grip of this contingent, all rational thought diminishes, and only the fear and panic remain.. Murder then becomes a comfortable ambience to dwell in, with the promise of a payout and an end to the terror.

I think the pair of them are definitely in the wannabe category, it seems evident throughout their business history, that the foundations of various entities were built on paper mache' BS. I think ultimately it may well be that Karen has become a victim of this .
 
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