Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #18 *Arrest*

[they'll get you]

I’m sure the forensic accountant has more knowledge about where Karen was in this. What in the hell was Borce up to? Was it BR who siphoned $100k funds from Korse to Warrant without his partner, Mark Norton’s knowledge?
Rat cunning?

{Ms Ristevski’s former best friend, lawyer Natalie Bannister, and Ms Bannister’s then partner, art dealer Mark Norton.}


So Mark Norton who’s was Karen’s lawyer best friend’s partner was partners with Borce
——————
Ms Bannister, who is a partner at Melbourne law firm Hall & Wilcox, Mr Norton and Mr Ristevski were directors of Korse International. It is believed the company was formed to sell Australian pecan nuts in China.

The partnership soured after a dispute over an alleged $100,000 loan Korse made to Warrant, and Mr Ristevski left Korse just before Christmas 2011.

NoCookies | The Australian

 

[they'll get you]

Up to his old tricks.....call me blind Freddy.

The partnership soured after a dispute over an alleged $100,000 loan Korse made to Warrant.
NoCookies | The Australian

Mr Ristevski set up another business, Envirovision, in late 2015 and that any money Warrant Brands, which traded as Bella Bleu, made was transferred into the new business.

Mr Ristevski was the director of Envirovision and the couple’s daughter, Sarah, was a shareholder.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/...e-accountant-tells-court-20180725-p4zthc.html

 

[they'll get you]

Let’s take a look at it psychologically if the forensic accountant doesn’t know!!
This could be the answer to to question was Karen being abused.


The forensic accountant said he had ‘‘absolutely no idea’’ why Envirovision was set up or why any Warrant Brands profits were transferred
.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...e-accountant-tells-court-20180725-p4zthc.html

 

[they'll get you]

What is financial abuse?
Financial abuse can be subtle, with a perpetrator gradually taking control over bank accounts and financial transactions. Financial abuse can also be obvious, violent and threatening. For example, someone may forbid their partner from working or spending their wages.

Signs of financial abuse
Financial abuse includes:

• someone taking complete control of finances and money
• restricting access to bank accounts
• providing an inadequate allowance and monitoring what their partner spends money on
• forbidding a partner to work
• taking a partner’s pay and not allowing them to access it
• preventing them from getting to work by taking their keys or car
• identity theft to secure credit
• using their credit card without their permission
• refusing to work or contribute to household expenses

What is financial abuse? | White Ribbon Australia

 

[SouthAussie]

Let’s take a look at it psychologically if the forensic accountant doesn’t know!!
This could be the answer to to question was Karen being abused.


The forensic accountant said he had ‘‘absolutely no idea’’ why Envirovision was set up or why any Warrant Brands profits were transferred
.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...e-accountant-tells-court-20180725-p4zthc.html

"Skimming" or fraud?

Fraudsters seek to get something for nothing—they steal. In cases of large thefts from companies, they are often perpetrated by the very people who are trusted to run the companies, whether they are executives or bookkeepers.

One not so obvious way companies lose money is through the intentional diversion of financial resources from the entity. This is called the “easy embezzlement” because no one really knows the funds are missing.

He did this by opening bank accounts in nominee entity names (i.e., shell companies) and sending funds to those accounts, over which he had signatory authority over. This is often called a diversion of revenue scheme, where the fraudster, often an insider, channels funds due to their employer into another account.
News - Diverting Resources: The Easy Embezzlement | Stevenson University

 

[they'll get you]

SA if we can look at him taking her money in a psychological abuse way what was he doing to Karen.

That’s the abuse we are looking for!
The judge said there was no prior abuse?

I’m looking at now!

 

[SouthAussie]

SA if we can look at him taking her money in a psychological abuse way what was he doing to Karen.

That’s the abuse we are looking for!
The judge said there was no prior abuse?

I’m looking at now!

I can't imagine working my arse off every day, only to find that my husband is skimming all the company's income into a company in which I had no stake. Then to find out that my daughter was a stakeholder in the other company (Envirovision). What a betrayal.

Yes, this sounds like financial abuse.
What the heck was Envirovision? A shell company? With no assets or ability to repay Bella Bleu? Illegal.

I think that the forensic accountant meant that he had no idea of any legal reason why Bella Bleu's income was being transferred to Envirovision.

 

[SouthAussie]

A missing persons squad detective has given evidence about "yelling and screaming" from the Ristevski home before Ms Ristevski's disappeared.

Detective Sergeant Graeme Hamilton told the court the information was provided by a neighbour living near the Ristevskis' Avondale Heights home, in Melbourne's north, in the days after she went missing on June 29, 2016.

Detective Sergeant Hamilton told the court Mr Ristevski was not a suspect at the time, but he wanted "to talk to Mr Ristevski about their domestic situation".
Forensic accountant reveals Ristevski family’s ‘constant struggle’

 

[JLZ]

I can't imagine working my arse off every day, only to find that my husband is skimming all the company's income into a company in which I had no stake. Then to find out that my daughter was a stakeholder in the other company (Envirovision). What a betrayal.

Yes, this sounds like financial abuse.
What the heck was Envirovision? A shell company? With no assets or ability to repay Bella Bleu? Illegal.

I wonder if Karen was not only leaving Borce, but was also going to hire a different accountant to look over and take care of Bella Bleu's finances.

I think that the forensic accountant meant that he had no idea of any legal reason why Bella Bleu's income was being transferred to Envirovision.

Has it been said that Karen wasn't a shareholder in Envirovision? I was thinking that perhaps if Sarah wasn't a shareholder of Warrant Brands but was (one of several) shareholders in Envirovision, then the assets of Envirovision couldn't be claimed in settlement of Warrant Brands debts. For example shop staff superannuation or whatever business taxes might be owed to ATO. If money was sitting in a Bella Bleu/Warrant Brands account, ATO could presumably grab it suddenly by garnishee. But if it's held in the name of a company that doesn't have exactly the same shareholders, that would complicate things; at least slow them down. (I'm guessing.)

 

[they'll get you]

Has it been said that Karen wasn't a shareholder in Envirovision? I was thinking that perhaps if Sarah wasn't a shareholder of Warrant Brands but was (one of several) shareholders in Envirovision, then the assets of Envirovision couldn't be claimed in settlement of Warrant Brands debts. For example shop staff superannuation or whatever business taxes might be owed to ATO. If money was sitting in a Bella Bleu/Warrant Brands account, ATO could presumably grab it suddenly by garnishee. But if it's held in the name of a company that doesn't have exactly the same shareholders, that would complicate things; at least slow them down. (I'm guessing.)

Mr Curtin said Mr Ristevski set up another business, Envirovision, in late 2015 and that any money Warrant Brands made was transferred into the new business.

Mr Ristevski was the director of Envirovision and the couple’s daughter, Sarah, was a shareholder.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...e-accountant-tells-court-20180725-p4zthc.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Mr Curtin said Mr Ristevski set up another business, Envirovision, in late 2015 and that any money Warrant Brands made was transferred into the new business.

Mr Ristevski was the director of Envirovision and the couple’s daughter, Sarah, was a shareholder.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...e-accountant-tells-court-20180725-p4zthc.html

I notice that Envirovision is in the process of being struck off the ASIC register.

Status: Strike-Off Action In Progress
https://connectonline.asic.gov.au/RegistrySearch/faces/landing/panelSearch.jspx?searchText=609873725&searchType=OrgAndBusNm&_adf.ctrl-state=1ck348hi3z_15


“Strike off” refers to the removal of the company name from the company register, resulting in its dissolution. This method is used by ASIC when it believes that a company is not in operation, is not carrying on a business or has ceased to carry on a business.
ASIC Deregistration | Dissolve

 

[they'll get you]

I can't imagine working my arse off every day, only to find that my husband is skimming all the company's income into a company in which I had no stake. Then to find out that my daughter was a stakeholder in the other company (Envirovision). What a betrayal.

Yes, this sounds like financial abuse.
What the heck was Envirovision? A shell company? With no assets or ability to repay Bella Bleu? Illegal.

I think that the forensic accountant meant that he had no idea of any legal reason why Bella Bleu's income was being transferred to Envirovision.

“I can't imagine working my arse off every day, only to find that my husband is skimming all the company's income into a company in which I had no stake”

That’s how abusers work.
It’s all apart of the domestic violence.

“I think that the forensic accountant meant that he had no idea of any legal reason why Bella Bleu's income was being transferred to Envirovision.”

I’m looking at psychologically. He’s looking at it legally and financially.

 

[they'll get you]

A missing persons squad detective has given evidence about "yelling and screaming" from the Ristevski home before Ms Ristevski's disappeared.

Detective Sergeant Graeme Hamilton told the court the information was provided by a neighbour living near the Ristevskis' Avondale Heights home, in Melbourne's north, in the days after she went missing on June 29, 2016.

Detective Sergeant Hamilton told the court Mr Ristevski was not a suspect at the time, but he wanted "to talk to Mr Ristevski about their domestic situation".
Forensic accountant reveals Ristevski family’s ‘constant struggle’

I’d like to know if it was a male abusing a female or a female screaming for help.
Was it a regular occurrence and who’s voice was the dominant.

 

[SouthAussie]

Has it been said that Karen wasn't a shareholder in Envirovision? I was thinking that perhaps if Sarah wasn't a shareholder of Warrant Brands but was (one of several) shareholders in Envirovision, then the assets of Envirovision couldn't be claimed in settlement of Warrant Brands debts. For example shop staff superannuation or whatever business taxes might be owed to ATO. If money was sitting in a Bella Bleu/Warrant Brands account, ATO could presumably grab it suddenly by garnishee. But if it's held in the name of a company that doesn't have exactly the same shareholders, that would complicate things; at least slow them down. (I'm guessing.)

From what I am aware of .... no garnishment by the ATO.

ATO will keep any tax refund due, if a person/entity owes back taxes.
ATO will close a business down (eventually, after many attempts at agreed payment plans) if the tax debt gets too high.

 

[JLZ]

Mr Curtin said Mr Ristevski set up another business, Envirovision, in late 2015 and that any money Warrant Brands made was transferred into the new business.

Mr Ristevski was the director of Envirovision and the couple’s daughter, Sarah, was a shareholder.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...e-accountant-tells-court-20180725-p4zthc.html

Yes, a shareholder. That almost implies there were others. It certainly doesn't indicate that Sarah was the only the shareholder or that Karen wasn't a shareholder. I wondered whether it had been said elsewhere that Karen wasn't a shareholder of the new company.

I was also thinking . . . if I was in Borce's position and willing to murder my wife for money, and there wasn't any money nett of the debts, perhaps I'd try to put all the assets in the wife's and daughter's names, and all the debts in mine; kill the wife, the daughter inherits, and I go bankrupt. Presto, the debts disappear but the assets remain. Then the daughter kindly shares.

 

[SouthAussie]

Perhaps the reason for Envirovision and the siphoning off Bella Bleu's income? (Warrant Brands owned Bella Bleu.)

In the insolvency notices, commencing the week before Karen's murder ....


NOTICE OF WINDING UP ORDER AND APPOINTMENT AS LIQUIDATOR/PROVISIONAL LIQUIDATOR

Company: Warrant Brands Pty. Ltd.
ACN: 156 042 152
ABN: 88 156 042 152
Status: In Liquidation
Appointed: 22 June 2018

Appointment details
Notice is hereby given that Norman Kenneth Jones was appointed liquidator(s) by an order of the Court on 22/06/2018. Details of the Court are:

Court: Federal
District/State: Victoria
Date of Notice: 22 June 2018

Norman Kenneth Jones
Liquidator
Warrant Brands Pty. Ltd. 156 042 152 | Court Liquidation | Appointment | VIC | Published : 22/06/2018 | ASIC Notice Details

 

[JLZ]

From what I am aware of .... no garnishment by the ATO.

ATO will keep any tax refund due, if a person/entity owes back taxes.
ATO will close a business down (eventually, after many attempts at agreed payment plans) if the tax debt gets too high.

Apparently they do garnishee, but it's one of the last resorts.

Garnishee notices

We can issue a garnishee notice to a person or business that holds money for you, or may hold money for you in the future. This requires them to pay your money directly to us to reduce your debt. We'll send a copy of the notice to you.

For individuals, we may issue a garnishee notice to:

• your employer or contractor
• banks, financial institutions and building societies where you have accounts
• people who owe money to you from the sale of real estate, such as purchasers, real estate agents and solicitors.

For businesses, we may issue a garnishee notice to:

• your financial institution
• trade debtors
• suppliers of merchant card facilities.

If you don't pay

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, a shareholder. That almost implies there were others. It certainly doesn't indicate that Sarah was the only the shareholder or that Karen wasn't a shareholder. I wondered whether it had been said elsewhere that Karen wasn't a shareholder of the new company.

I was also thinking . . . if I was in Borce's position and willing to murder my wife for money, and there wasn't any money nett of the debts, perhaps I'd try to put all the assets in the wife's and daughter's names, and all the debts in mine; kill the wife, the daughter inherits, and I go bankrupt. Presto, the debts disappear but the assets remain. Then the daughter kindly shares.

Well, we can't be absolutely positive ... but I feel pretty sure.

But in December 2015, Mr Ristevski started Envirovision and named himself the director. His daughter, Sarah Ristevski, was a stakeholder. There was no mention in court of Karen's involvement, if any.
Forensic accountant reveals Ristevski family’s ‘constant struggle’

Let's also not forget .....
Paperwork declaring Mr Ristevski had taken over from his wife as the sole director of Warrant Brands, which is linked to her Bella Bleu fashion label, was filed with the Australian Securities & Investments Commission in March.
NoCookies | The Australian

 

[JLZ]

Perhaps the reason for Envirovision and the siphoning off Bella Bleu's income? (Warrant Brands owned Bella Bleu.)

In the insolvency notices, commencing the week before Karen's murder ....


NOTICE OF WINDING UP ORDER AND APPOINTMENT AS LIQUIDATOR/PROVISIONAL LIQUIDATOR

Company: Warrant Brands Pty. Ltd.
ACN: 156 042 152
ABN: 88 156 042 152
Status: In Liquidation
Appointed: 22 June 2018

Appointment details
Notice is hereby given that Norman Kenneth Jones was appointed liquidator(s) by an order of the Court on 22/06/2018. Details of the Court are:

Court: Federal
District/State: Victoria
Date of Notice: 22 June 2018

Norman Kenneth Jones
Liquidator
Warrant Brands Pty. Ltd. 156 042 152 | Court Liquidation | Appointment | VIC | Published : 22/06/2018 | ASIC Notice Details

Wrong year, or am I missing something?

 

[SouthAussie]

Apparently they do garnishee, but it's one of the last resorts.

Garnishee notices

We can issue a garnishee notice to a person or business that holds money for you, or may hold money for you in the future. This requires them to pay your money directly to us to reduce your debt. We'll send a copy of the notice to you.

For individuals, we may issue a garnishee notice to:

• your employer or contractor
• banks, financial institutions and building societies where you have accounts
• people who owe money to you from the sale of real estate, such as purchasers, real estate agents and solicitors.

For businesses, we may issue a garnishee notice to:

• your financial institution
• trade debtors
• suppliers of merchant card facilities.

If you don't pay

Thanks. Yes ... the ATO usually promotes the successful running of a business, without removing operating money, so that they can get their full tax money. Hence, the typical agreed payment plans.