Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, Jun 1997 #5

[sunnynz]

Queensland - The Disposal of Uncollected Goods Act 1967 covers inspection, custody, storage, repair and other treatment of goods. Under this Act, uncollected goods may be sold six months after the date on which they were ready for collection.

Rules about uncollected goods | Your rights, crime and the law | Queensland Government (www.qld.gov.au)

I wonder if its worth asking Kent (southport) in which paper they would have advertised "abandoned Property" in in 1997/98, if anyone lives in Queensland they could check the library for the old papers.

Yes great idea

 

[SaintGertrude]

Queensland - The Disposal of Uncollected Goods Act 1967 covers inspection, custody, storage, repair and other treatment of goods. Under this Act, uncollected goods may be sold six months after the date on which they were ready for collection.

Rules about uncollected goods | Your rights, crime and the law | Queensland Government (www.qld.gov.au)

I wonder if its worth asking Kent (southport) in which paper they would have advertised "abandoned Property" in in 1997/98, if anyone lives in Queensland they could check the library for the old papers.

I chatted with someone online today whose husband used to work for a London storage company. Marion's belongings may not have gone overseas if the family packed the container. Quote: 'They just can't send on a ship, a non properly packed shipping container.......needs to be properly packed, for stability and safety reasons, as it goes onto the deck of a ship. There would have to be a manifest of contents too........so if family packed it, it would have had to be re-packed adequately for shipment overseas'.

 

[SaintGertrude]

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[Bagpus]

DBM. Error.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Maybe try to have a look at any published auctions back then.
Quite often a list of the most valuable items were published in the local paper.
Something might ring a bell as possibly something Marion owned.

 

[Itsapuzzle]

I chatted with someone online today whose husband used to work for a London storage company. Marion's belongings may not have gone overseas if the family packed the container. Quote: 'They just can't send on a ship, a non properly packed shipping container.......needs to be properly packed, for stability and safety reasons, as it goes onto the deck of a ship. There would have to be a manifest of contents too........so if family packed it, it would have had to be re-packed adequately for shipment overseas'.

I’m curious about Marion putting the storage items in a shipping container rather than a storage unit?
Also, if a scammer came back from UK with Marion’s wallet, luggage and papers, they would know where the storage items were kept and could have collected them.

 

[SaintGertrude]

I expect power of attorney has been covered but Marion could have arranged for a second party to be named on her bank and permission to draw out money. It can be done.

 

[SaintGertrude]

I wonder if there is anything on the government search about Marion.
Session expired | RecordSearch | National Archives of Australia
Title
Migration case file for Marion Wilson
Contents date range
1995 - 1996
Accumulation start date
1995
Series number
A8425
Click to see which government agency or person created this item.
Control symbol
F1995/99072
Citation
NAA: A8425, F1995/99072
Item ID
4242243
Location
Canberra
Access status
Not yet examined

 

[Brissie Sleuth]

I was looking on line and I see that airline manifests only have to be held for 90 days ( this could be incorrect it was only a quick google)

the airline manifests would have been gold. some airlines categorise males, females on the flight and which zone you sat in as well as seat and couldve ascertained who sat mext to marion and if they remembered her. already posted this awhile back too. we all keep going back to the point as we know how useful it couldve been!

 

[Gloria Olive]

Hi all, a few random points I keep thinking about when I read this thread. By means of background I am an Australian who has been living in London since 2002.

1. Two large suitcases is a lot of luggage and I expect this would have attracted an excess luggage surcharge.
2. I’ve completed departure and landing cards many times and haven’t always completed the questions in one go or with the same pen. (Sometimes I have needed to check details in my overhead luggage.)
3. I don’t think I’ve ever completed a departure card for the UK as it has not been a requirement, at least since I have lived here.
4. I didn’t know the difference between red squirrels and other squirrels until I read this thread I reckon Marion’s red squirrel reference is an innocent mistake.

 

[poppypopcorn]

Agree on the excess luggage. Back in the 90s, depending on the airline, 25kg to 30kg was fairly standard. Unless you were flying business or first class or something.

Also agree on the departure cards, here in the UK historically we've never been that bothered about who's leaving, just who's coming in. There may be landing cards? I am fairly sure that on flights coming back to the UK the crew dish out cards to people who aren't travelling on UK or European passports. However, European data protection laws are pretty strict and companies are not allowed to store personal data for longer than needed. So if Marion arrived in 1997, no alarm raised about her whereabouts in the UK until very recently, the card will have been shredded years ago. I am also not sure whether landing cards apply to people arriving in the UK by ferry/train or if it's just for people arriving by air.

There is a way to circumvent all this - arrive in the Republic of Ireland and be registered as entering there, then drive north into Northern Ireland, cross to Scotland by ferry and onwards into England - nobody will check anything. But rather convoluted and very unlikely given that Marion was in the part of England as far from Scotland as you can possibly go.

 

[KiwiNZ]

does anyone have access to the below archive paper, its a pay to view, I don't want to part with my money only to be disappointed lol but if someone already has a membership could you possible take a look at the below personal ad.

https://smharchives.smedia.com.au/Olive/APA/freesearch/?action=search&text=L51#panel=search&search=7

 

[KiwiNZ]

also got a possible match on the phone number but for 1974, so unlikely to hold much info and maybe nothing

 

[Itsapuzzle]

also got a possible match on the phone number but for 1974, so unlikely to hold much info and maybe nothing


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Oooh, a couple of fabulously intersting finds there KiwiNZ ... drats, I'm not a subscriber so can't help out, sorry .... but, "polyglot" and "small principality of Europe" - and that number, wowee

 

[KiwiNZ]

Oooh, a couple of fabulously intersting finds there KiwiNZ ... drats, I'm not a subscriber so can't help out, sorry .... but, "polyglot" and "small principality of Europe" - and that number, wowee

I know so frustrating they don't have the Sydney Morning times on trove for free .. it only goes up to 1995 but so far a few interesting hits that I can only see a small portion of the Ad .. this is cruel lol

 

[brjakj]

I know so frustrating they don't have the Sydney Morning times on trove for free .. it only goes up to 1995 but so far a few interesting hits that I can only see a small portion of the Ad .. this is cruel lol

you can access it via the state library using their online databases. I think you can join the state library online and go from there

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

does anyone have access to the below archive paper, its a pay to view, I don't want to part with my money only to be disappointed lol but if someone already has a membership could you possible take a look at the below personal ad.

https://smharchives.smedia.com.au/Olive/APA/freesearch/?action=search&text=L51#panel=search&search=7

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That is a really good find. That definitely needs a closer look.

 

[SaintGertrude]

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[SaintGertrude]

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[SaintGertrude]

Roselands is situated 15kms South West from the Sydney CBD and just off King Georges Road, easily accessible by Canterbury Road and the M5 Motorway which are both only minutes away.

ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING AND ASSESSMENT ACT 1979 - CANTERBURY LOCAL ENVIRONMENTAL PLAN No. 167 - Government Gazette of the State of New South Wales (Sydney, NSW : 1901 - 2001) - 6 Dec 1996
Ref:
1166 Canterbury Rd
Roselands NSW 2196, Australia
KiwiNZ. The print out you showed us from 1974 has the above address. Is this correct for the phone number? If so it was a shoe retail company in 1996 if the correct address for the phone number.