Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #7

[Belleandsebastian]

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Good questions

Ilona died 13th July 1977

Husband Michael John Reid
2 children

Her Wouters name was used in 2001


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Entity name From To
ROSE, EVELINA HAZEL 11 Jun 2020 (current)
SWEET, EVEY 14 May 2019 11 Jun 2020
REID, EVELYN 14 Dec 2001 14 May 2019
WOUTERS, ILONA 01 Nov 2001 14 Dec 2001
ABN Status From To
Active 01 Nov 2001 (current)
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Individual/Sole Trader
Goods & Services Tax (GST) From To
Cancelled 30 Jun 2005 (current)
Registered 04 May 2005 29 Jun 2005
Cancelled 01 Oct 2004 03 May 2005
Registered 15 Feb 2004 30 Sep 2004
Cancelled 01 Jan 2002 14 Feb 2004
Registered 01 Nov 2001 31 Dec 2001
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VIC 3199 13 Jan 2020 (current)
VIC 3199 07 Mar 2016 13 Jan 2020
VIC 3199 18 Sep 2014 07 Mar 2016
VIC 3199 08 Jan 2013 18 Sep 2014
VIC 3930 18 Jul 2012 08 Jan 2013
VIC 3142 14 Jul 2011 18 Jul 2012
VIC 3182 22 Apr 2008 14 Jul 2011
VIC 3146 15 Feb 2005 22 Apr 2008
VIC 3150 18 Feb 2003 15 Feb 2005
VIC 3149 09 Jan 2002 18 Feb 2003
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Mylk and Maple 26 Aug 2015 (current)
Sweet Evy 19 Mar 2015 24 Nov 2015
Raw Cake by Evelyn Reid 28 Apr 2014 08 Sep 2016
CREDIT RATING REPAIR AUSTRALIA 01 Jun 2011 16 Jun 2019
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EVELYN REID 18 Feb 2003 (current)
E REID PRINT DIRECT 09 Jan 2002 18 Feb 2003

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• Record extracted: 13 Feb 2022

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You can find Maple and Mylk on Facebook, with photos and articles about the owner.

 

[Estelle]

Someone on reddit had a similar idea

Clark Hunter is also mentioned. I suspect that was RB too.

 

[mishy66]

I think Ilona was another victim in his game of cat and mouse.
He preys on the vulnerable and she was no exception.
Here with her parents


and another record of her death
Name: Ilona Jacoueline Reid
Death Age: 31
Birth Date: abt 1947
Death Date: Abt 1978
Death Place: St Kilda, Victoria
Registration Date: 1978
Registration Place: Australia
Father: Josef Kinczel
Mother: Elizabeth Novotny
Registration Number: 8284

 

[Bibno]

The Lady Vanishes Facebook page seems to think so, but there is nothing on the NSW Coroners upcoming live streams about it.

Live Streams

Thanks, I was concerned that there was nothing on the NSW Coroner’s Page about a live stream for this part of the Inquest and will be so disappointed if there isn’t one.

 

[ElleElleKoolJ]

Bingo!

Mirado Computing Ltd., Westbury, United Kingdom

Remember the mysterious message Sally received from a stranger named Clark Hunter
"Natalia is alive but you will never see her again"

Look at the link mishy66 has shared and pay particular details to the names he may have used if once again he used someone else's identity. "Clark and Hunter"

 

[ElleElleKoolJ]

Can someone refresh my memory please.
Is 'Wouters' the actual birth surname of Marion's mysterious man or just another alias.
I have found a bed and breakfast in Ewhurst Green run by a Wouter's family not far at all from Tunbridge Wells and wondered if he may have stayed there and again used someone surname identity to make up an alias name. There is also a Baron with links to Groombridge, Tunbridge Wells in Kent but just to reiterate that none of the names are direct links. Ric Blum may have thought he could use those surnames just like he probably did with the identity of Remakel.

 

[ElleElleKoolJ]

I am surprised that this list hasn't been mentioned in the new discussions thus far as could be a wealth of information if between us we check all those alias names of Mr Blum. Find unclaimed money - Moneysmart.gov.au

 

[ElleElleKoolJ]

Referring to one of the alias names mentioned on here for Mr Blum, I wonder if the name Westbury should be looked at in more detail. There is the town of Westbury in Wiltshire UK.
I found a name very similar to the alias name Blum uses which is his Richard Lloyd Westbury name. The person I found is is from the town of Westbury. I have passed my find onto the lady vanishes team.

*Correction, there is another town called Westbury in Wiltshire which is the place where the mentioned business is located*

 

[Estelle]

Can someone refresh my memory please.
Is 'Wouters' the actual birth surname of Marion's mysterious man or just another alias.
I have found a bed and breakfast run by the Wouter's family not far at all from Tunbridge Wells and wondered if he may have stayed there and again used someone surname identity to make up an alias name. There is also a Baron with links to Groombridge in Kent but just to reiterate that none of the names are direct links. He he may have thought he could use those surnames just like he probably did with the identity of Remakel.

Wouters was the surname of his stepfather after his own father died when he was young.

 

[Estelle]

I am surprised that this list hasn't been mentioned in the new discussions thus far as could be a wealth of information if between us we check all those alias names of Mr Blum. Find unclaimed money - Moneysmart.gov.au

With respect, I could not believe that any of RB's aliases would have any unclaimed money. However, please explain why you think that could be so.

 

[ElleElleKoolJ]

With respect, I could not believe that any of RB's aliases would have any unclaimed money. However, please explain why you think that could be so.

If someone is changing their name multiple times it may prove harder to access monies. I am sure I read somewhere that Ric Blum has around 20 alias names.
At the moment we do not know if Marion had alias names as well other than the Florabella one so we may need to look at that avenue if something is revealed. That is just a theory of mine she may have also changed her name again several times.

 

[ElleElleKoolJ]

Wouters was the surname of his stepfather after his own father died when he was young.

Thank you, so for once one of his actual real names

 

[Meligator]

I am surprised that this list hasn't been mentioned in the new discussions thus far as could be a wealth of information if between us we check all those alias names of Mr Blum. Find unclaimed money - Moneysmart.gov.au

Found this one on US treasury unclaimed funds.

 

[ElleElleKoolJ]

I found this in one of the UK papers. When was it confirmed that Marion did stay in some Oast house accommodation as that is fresh news.
Missing Marion update - Rye News
The poster was placed in Rye as it was believed Marion had visited Rye at some point, and it has now been discovered that she did stay here “in Oast house accommodation”

 

[vivienbee]

I really hope that the Dutch dentist and "Maz" were just random tourists and/or made up by Marion on the postcards. If there was another woman involved in the con, it gives me a bit of a pit in my stomach to think that maybe they were having a bit of sick fun with Marion by introducing her as "Maz" because she'd soon be assuming Marion's identity.
I still don't know if I think another woman was involved because I do believe it was Marion who returned to Aus, but there is always that niggling element of the suitcases full of clothes.

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

@vivienbee I'm with you. So Dutch dentist couldn't have been Blum, imo, because Marion already knew him. But Blum seemed to have a connection to England for his cons. A friend, accomplice, relative -- someone to keep him yoyo-ing back there with victims? (Was Maz written or spoken? Ive forgotten. Might it have been "Mrs." So dentist and [his] Mrs.)

 

[Belleandsebastian]

Much of today will be closed court - just posted to fb page

 

[KiwiNZ]

Much of today will be closed court - just posted to fb page

Guttered

 

[bettyboop]

Much of today will be closed court - just posted to fb page

Thank You for posting @Belleandsebastian I've been trying to find a link and
didn't think to look on Facebook since I don't have an account.

 

[Belleandsebastian]

Thank You for posting @Belleandsebastian I've been trying to find a link and
didn't think to look on Facebook since I don't have an account.

It’s worth looking for a link in case bits of it can be shown, but yeah, looks like mostly closed