Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #20

[CuriousKat99]

I believe MB sisters have suggested this , I am not sure about others but i am guessing some people might agree with them IMO

Yeah I can think of one other person and his immediate family members in whose interests it would be for everyone to assume that Marion had vanished to start up a new life and never contact her own children again.

 

[CuriousKat99]

I think it’s fair to say that RB has used coercive control on his victims. As shared by these brave women at the inquest and in the media. So I’m thinking it’s reasonable to look at the stats around how often or likely it is that coercive control escalates to physical violence. As outlined here: 4. Non-physical forms of violence

Yes, exactly, to quote from your link, “Coercive control is also a predictor of severe physical violence and homicide.”

 

[centred]

Only people who haven't followed the evidence. Or just aren't interested.

Maybe ..Are you saying the sisters aren't interested in following evidence ? Or the others who may have a similar view don't as well or both. I do not really see it as an either or for some people to assume MB wanted to disappear considering the sort of things she did prior ..just to be clear I am not one of them because I think he knows more IMO
I am not up to speed on the reasons Her sisters thought this way ,although i do wonder why ? If any one can shine a light on that , maybe that's the same reason others might also come to that conclusion and need some clarification

 

[CuriousKat99]

Someone who was, say, in their teens at the time, and had an inexplicably affluent home life, may well have had an early email address. They could very well be under the impression that everyone did.

And just add to that, someone who also had overseas connections/family would have been even more likely to have been using email in those days.

 

[Housemartyn]

Maybe ..Are you saying the sisters aren't interested in following evidence ? Or the others who may have a similar view don't as well or both. I do not really see it as an either or for some people to assume MB wanted to disappear considering the sort of things she did prior ..just to be clear I am not one of them because I think he knows more IMO
I am not up to speed on the reasons Her sisters thought this way ,although i do wonder why ? If any one can shine a light on that , maybe that's the same reason others might also come to that conclusion and need some clarification

Nobody should need clarification about Marion's intention to go missing. Not if you have listened to the evidence.
I have no idea what her sisters think. If they haven't changed their minds by now there must be something wrong with them.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I believe MB sisters have suggested this , I am not sure about others but i am guessing some people might agree with them IMO

What MB's sisters were persuaded of many years ago because people lied to them is redundant.

They are not part of this forum or here to discuss their current thoughts and therefore we have no right to mention them.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

AKAs spouse states he wasn’t a violent man. According to her own evidence she has never seen him with any of his female ‘victims’ and was not with him abroad on any of his numerous visits. She was hiding away in Burwash during 3 years he was travelling to and from Belgium doing who knows what.

I mentioned on here a while back even before poisons were first mentioned that at the Inquest his careful use of words could be because of a certain detachment poisoners have with their victims. In their warped minds they haven’t physically harmed anyone.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

We have information from MC as to whether AKA was potentially violent or murderous and it seems she knew him well over decades.

In fact, at the inquest AKA stated he believed she was his best friend in the whole world and was very shocked to hear of her betrayal.

 

[centred]

What MB's sisters were persuaded of many years ago because people lied to them is redundant.

They are not part of this forum or here to discuss their current thoughts and therefore we have no right to mention them.

True , although i have seen many a comment previously in regards to this and fairly recent i may add ...I say this now in light of a much more recent poster with certain information in regards to MB movements ...just to be clear

 

[Housemartyn]

In fact, at the inquest AKA stated he believed she was his best friend in the whole world and was very shocked to hear of her betrayal.

I was thinking exactly the same thing!! It was the only genuine emotion I ever saw throughout the whole inquest.

 

[Housemartyn]

True , although i have seen many a comment previously in regards to this and fairly recent i may add ...I say this now in light of a much more recent poster with certain information in regards to MB movements ...just to be clear

But you're not being clear at all. What 'certain information ' are you referring to?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

But you're not being clear at all. What 'certain information ' are you referring to?

I wouldn't bother feeding this. IMO some people may be here to muddy the waters. We've been doing great so far and sleuths have made so much progress these last few years, nobody needs to answer to someone uninformed coming to throw provocative asides.

 

[mishy66]

I wouldn't bother feeding this. IMO some people may be here to muddy the waters. We've been doing great so far and sleuths have made so much progress these last few years, nobody needs to answer to someone uninformed coming to throw provocative asides.

Agree. Don't feed the fish. Keep focused on Where is Marion.

 

[Housemartyn]

Point taken. Many thanks guys.

 

[centred]

I wouldn't bother feeding this. IMO some people may be here to muddy the waters. We've been doing great so far and sleuths have made so much progress these last few years, nobody needs to answer to someone uninformed coming to throw provocative asides.

Yes it was a bit odd IMO

 

[CuriousKat99]

AKAs spouse states he wasn’t a violent man. According to her own evidence she has never seen him with any of his female ‘victims’ and was not with him abroad on any of his numerous visits. She was hiding away in Burwash during 3 years he was travelling to and from Belgium doing who knows what.

Right, and the evidence from their neighbours in Burwash indicated that he was abusive towards her as well, no physical violence but threats to take her children etc etc, classic coercive control. She probably felt that she was telling the truth when she said he wasn’t a violent man. She certainly didn’t stand up there singing his praises either. I don’t recall her ever being asked if he was emotionally abusive and/or controlling. maybe they should have explored this with her further while she was on the witness stand.

 

[CuriousKat99]

I mentioned on here a while back even before poisons were first mentioned that at the Inquest his careful use of words could be because of a certain detachment poisoners have with their victims. In their warped minds they haven’t physically harmed anyone.

Agreed, “I didn’t harm her (I just put her to sleep)”

 

[KiwiNZ]

Missing Person Marion Barter Page​

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A little Sunday snippet
In 2006, after Ric Blum had returned to Australia, Ghislaine stated that she contacted a woman named Madam Claire de Héderváry to try to find out more about "Frederick".
Claire de Héderváry (Klára Héderváry), a Hungarian emigrant, had an exceptional career path in the 20th century: she was born in Hungary, educated in Brussels, Paris, and the United States (at the Harvard and Columbia universities). After finishing her studies, she was recruited by the United Nations as an Economic Affairs Officer. You can read all about her amazing life here : https://www.osaarchivum.org/.../remembering-and-honoring...
Ghislaine went and visited her at her home one day. Claire told her that she had heard about a "Frederick de Hedervary" and that he had passed himself off as a member of her family. She told her that Frederick had gone to see a dentist and said that he was Claire de Héderváry's godson. He took two teenage children with him for dental treatment. When it came time to pay, Frederick said that he had forgotten his wallet and that he would come back, but he never did. The dentist told Claire about this when she next went in for a consultation.
What does this have to do with Marion ? If this account is true, this shows the level of detailed pre-planning Ric Blum would undertake to escape paying a bill ! This includes finding out who Claire de Héderváry's dentist was in the first place, concocting the story about being her godson and on the day convincing staff of this fact and confidentially walking away with two children without paying a cent. If true, how many other times had he "traded" on this name in a similiar way ?
The question for us is, if being presented with the opportunity of obtaining at least $80k AUD in 1997, the proceeds of a house sale in cash, what pre-planning & complex series of events could Blum have orchestrated to achieve this end ?
Joni

 

[KiwiNZ]

Missing Person Marion Barter Page​

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A little Sunday snippet
In 2006, after Ric Blum had returned to Australia, Ghislaine stated that she contacted a woman named Madam Claire de Héderváry to try to find out more about "Frederick".
Claire de Héderváry (Klára Héderváry), a Hungarian emigrant, had an exceptional career path in the 20th century: she was born in Hungary, educated in Brussels, Paris, and the United States (at the Harvard and Columbia universities). After finishing her studies, she was recruited by the United Nations as an Economic Affairs Officer. You can read all about her amazing life here : https://www.osaarchivum.org/.../remembering-and-honoring...
Ghislaine went and visited her at her home one day. Claire told her that she had heard about a "Frederick de Hedervary" and that he had passed himself off as a member of her family. She told her that Frederick had gone to see a dentist and said that he was Claire de Héderváry's godson. He took two teenage children with him for dental treatment. When it came time to pay, Frederick said that he had forgotten his wallet and that he would come back, but he never did. The dentist told Claire about this when she next went in for a consultation.
What does this have to do with Marion ? If this account is true, this shows the level of detailed pre-planning Ric Blum would undertake to escape paying a bill ! This includes finding out who Claire de Héderváry's dentist was in the first place, concocting the story about being her godson and on the day convincing staff of this fact and confidentially walking away with two children without paying a cent. If true, how many other times had he "traded" on this name in a similiar way ?
The question for us is, if being presented with the opportunity of obtaining at least $80k AUD in 1997, the proceeds of a house sale in cash, what pre-planning & complex series of events could Blum have orchestrated to achieve this end ?
Joni

The guys is clearly cheap ... could he have used Marions Medicare card for his family

 

[MrsWattle]

Missing Person Marion Barter Page​

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A little Sunday snippet
In 2006, after Ric Blum had returned to Australia, Ghislaine stated that she contacted a woman named Madam Claire de Héderváry to try to find out more about "Frederick".
Claire de Héderváry (Klára Héderváry), a Hungarian emigrant, had an exceptional career path in the 20th century: she was born in Hungary, educated in Brussels, Paris, and the United States (at the Harvard and Columbia universities). After finishing her studies, she was recruited by the United Nations as an Economic Affairs Officer. You can read all about her amazing life here : https://www.osaarchivum.org/.../remembering-and-honoring...
Ghislaine went and visited her at her home one day. Claire told her that she had heard about a "Frederick de Hedervary" and that he had passed himself off as a member of her family. She told her that Frederick had gone to see a dentist and said that he was Claire de Héderváry's godson. He took two teenage children with him for dental treatment. When it came time to pay, Frederick said that he had forgotten his wallet and that he would come back, but he never did. The dentist told Claire about this when she next went in for a consultation.
What does this have to do with Marion ? If this account is true, this shows the level of detailed pre-planning Ric Blum would undertake to escape paying a bill ! This includes finding out who Claire de Héderváry's dentist was in the first place, concocting the story about being her godson and on the day convincing staff of this fact and confidentially walking away with two children without paying a cent. If true, how many other times had he "traded" on this name in a similiar way ?
The question for us is, if being presented with the opportunity of obtaining at least $80k AUD in 1997, the proceeds of a house sale in cash, what pre-planning & complex series of events could Blum have orchestrated to achieve this end ?
Joni

I wonder who the children were!
I mean to say, I wonder if he had more children himself.