Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #21

[Housemartyn]

yes, interesting that MJR stated that IK had scarlet fever and took heart medication. Scarlet fever can lead to rheumatic fever which may damage heart valves. My mother took medication to 'help' her heart after getting rheumatic fever as a child, Digitalis then Digoxin before replacement heart valve surgery required her to take blood thinner Warfarin. So if IK did have a relevant medical history, I can't see why this wasn't mentioned on her death certificate.

Good question! Digitalis is actually extremely poisonous as well and has to be monitored and carefully dosed.

 

[KinseyFan]

Re the ‘group home/s’ the kids were put in…. (Latest podcast)… the Catholic Church held a more powerful standing, back then. They were sought out for and granted life advice / “moral guidance” whilst, as we now know, sweeping criminal activity under the carpet and ruining lives. My own mother sought their advice as the victim of family violence and the nuns told her not to leave and to pray harder. Maybe MR is telling the truth re being pressured to hand the kids over for a ‘better life’

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

yes, interesting that MJR stated that IK had scarlet fever and took heart medication. Scarlet fever can lead to rheumatic fever which may damage heart valves. My mother took medication to 'help' her heart after getting rheumatic fever as a child, Digitalis then Digoxin before replacement heart valve surgery required her to take blood thinner Warfarin. So if IK did have a relevant medical history, I can't see why this wasn't mentioned on her death certificate.

Nor on her immigration medical

 

[HinterlandObserver]

Re the ‘group home/s’ the kids were put in…. (Latest podcast)… the Catholic Church held a more powerful standing, back then. They were sought out for and granted life advice / “moral guidance” whilst, as we now know, sweeping criminal activity under the carpet and ruining lives. My own mother sought their advice as the victim of family violence and the nuns told her not to leave and to pray harder. Maybe MR is telling the truth re being pressured to hand the kids over for a ‘better life’

My grandfather became a widower with three primary school aged children and had to put them into care so he could work to pay for the house and their schooling etc. it was just the done thing if other family couldn’t take them in.

 

[KiwiNZ]

Can I also say in MR's defense that he clearly listened to the podcast is fascinated by the case, knowing how the real FR was treated and convicted in the eyes of TLV team, with their odd investigation style, I am not surprised he was a bit standoffish to begin and recorded the call himself (Loved that lol).

As per, the TVL don't mind having people on their page say negative and hurtful things about a man who willingly spoke to them and who knows they made need his help again but in true TLV style they like to burn their bridges.

Whether we like him or not, it was another time, single fathers, powerful catholic self-righteous organizations blah blah ... I personally would like nothing more than for the Reid family to mend bridges, if at all possible.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Found myself waiting for the DNA reveal for the Reid family … was MR the biological father, or not?

 

[mishy66]

From MB FB Page
In part......
"Sal.....was unceremoniously dumped as the face of the campaign days before the launch in Canberra in 2007, with later emails from top brass in NSW Police stating that "she was looking for a scapegoat"... now look where things stand, no scapegoat needed, right ? "

For those that think the Police aren't to blame in this fiasco, the arrows continue to be pointed fairly and squarely at Police and at Governing authorities for decades.

Sally wouldnt be in this position if the NSW Police hadnt lied to her, ridiculed her and dismissed her.

Something was amiss within the NSW Police unit back when Marion went missing, along with the bank and it needs a full and honest investigation between AH and GC and GH.

 

[KiwiNZ]

Found myself waiting for the DNA reveal for the Reid family … was MR the biological father, or not?

does it even matter, is it any of our business ?? it doesn't find Marion or help hold RB accountable?

I am not sure debating an innocent persons paternity online when it has nothing to do with us is helpful. CR said he is MR's son, end of for me.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

From MB FB Page
In part......
"Sal.....was unceremoniously dumped as the face of the campaign days before the launch in Canberra in 2007, with later emails from top brass in NSW Police stating that "she was looking for a scapegoat"... now look where things stand, no scapegoat needed, right ? "

For those that think the Police aren't to blame in this fiasco, the arrows continue to be pointed fairly and squarely at Police and at Governing authorities for decades.

Sally wouldnt be in this position if the NSW Police hadnt lied to her, ridiculed her and dismissed her.

Something was amiss within the NSW Police unit back when Marion went missing, along with the bank and it needs a full and honest investigation between AH and GC and GH.

And to be honest, at least speaking for the Byron bay station, we continually have reports of corruption and incompetence.

 

[mishy66]

July 27
The Australian has received a slew of nominations for the prestigious Kennedy Awards, which celebrate the nation's finest journalism......
.....The Australian was nominated in two of three finalist positions for the Les Kennedy Award for Outstanding Crime Reporting. National crime correspondent David Murray was nominated for his coverage of convicted conman Ric Blum.

 

[Martinie]

Is there still no update on the body found in Alderly? I'm not convinced it's Marion, but I've been trying to find out every few months, but haven't seen anything.

 

[KiwiNZ]

Just reposting from TLVFBP - not sure on others information on this

 

[mishy66]

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Just reposting from TLVFBP - not sure on others information on this

Yes he was arrested in June, presume held in custody, sentenced December 1971 to 4 yrs.
IK would have fallen pregnant Oct 1971 if full term baby, so I doubt very much AH is the father.

It is just the Tournai birth that I find interesting. And MJR not knowing that.
In any case, it doesn't relate to Marion so these anomalies that always seem to come up will always be a mystery and no one elses business but the Reid family.

Evelyn and Christopher are incredible people who after everything they have gone through, no thanks to a creep that has destroyed so many lives, are still shining a light on helping others in this quest to find Marion.

Meanwhile, his other 2 adult children are barricading themselves in silent protest, along with their mother.
One would think, now they are all adults and IF they have seen any type of coercive control by the father to the mother and themselves all these years, with him now hiding in an aged care facility, the time would have been months ago to go to the police... IF they are all innocent that is.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Yes he was arrested in June, presume held in custody, sentenced December 1971 to 4 yrs.
IK would have fallen pregnant Oct 1971 if full term baby, so I doubt very much AH is the father.

It is just the Tournai birth that I find interesting. And MJR not knowing that.
In any case, it doesn't relate to Marion so these anomalies that always seem to come up will always be a mystery and no one elses business but the Reid family.

Evelyn and Christopher are incredible people who after everything they have gone through, no thanks to a creep that has destroyed so many lives, are still shining a light on helping others in this quest to find Marion.

Meanwhile, his other 2 adult children are barricading themselves in silent protest, along with their mother.
One would think, now they are all adults and IF they have seen any type of coercive control by the father to the mother and themselves all these years, with him now hiding in an aged care facility, the time would have been months ago to go to the police... IF they are all innocent that is.

I suppose one thing is did AKA father yet another child that he washed his hands of? But as you say it’s irrelevant in finding Marion.

The Challen case in the UK where her manslaughter conviction was overturned due to the alleged coercive control of her husband with her 2 sons defending her shows that adult children have come forward before in such a situation although of course AKA is still alive. Can they really fear him now or do they fear they have something to lose?

 

[mishy66]

Can they really fear him now or do they fear they have something to lose?

Yes, there is no way in the world Diane didn't know what was going on.
She told so many lies on the stand, even the one saying she had never heard AH using the FD name YET there she was in the paper with him using that name. AND called him Ric when he introduced himself as WW on that ship.
All the moving, all the money for the kids, all the properties in her name from the late 80s onwards - not a chance in hell she didnt know or wasnt involved in some way.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

I suppose one thing is did AKA father yet another child that he washed his hands of? But as you say it’s irrelevant in finding Marion.

The Challen case in the UK where her manslaughter conviction was overturned due to the alleged coercive control of her husband with her 2 sons defending her shows that adult children have come forward before in such a situation although of course AKA is still alive. Can they really fear him now or do they fear they have something to lose?

Something to lose being proceeds of crime which paid for ever single thing in their life? Probably.
Teeth, education, properties etc.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

The Amsterdam angle on this case still intrigues me. Yes it’s close to both the UK and a gateway to the rest of mainland Europe but it’s also the drugs capital of Europe.

Over the years a number of UK drug gangs have used Amsterdam for collection and distribution and will often use a fake business as a front. Buying and selling sofa’s would be right up their street. Who would look inside a sofa? Just need a van or boat (from The Netherlands or Belgium) or both.

Hard cash is required for purchase and Amsterdam having no proper border with Belgium opens up so many opportunities to make even bigger sums.

Could you divert attention away from your nefarious drug activities by committing other crimes perhaps even more serious?

Probably barking up the wrong tree but just thought I’d put it out there.

 

[CuriousKat99]

The Challen case in the UK where her manslaughter conviction was overturned due to the alleged coercive control of her husband with her 2 sons defending her shows that adult children have come forward before in such a situation although of course AKA is still alive. Can they really fear him now or do they fear they have something to lose?

I have just read a very interesting book called “A Serial Killer’s Daughter” by Kerri Rawson whose father murdered at least 10 people over a 30 year period in the US. It gives a fascinating perspective from the point of view of close family members. Kerri’s father played the church going family man and took an active role in his 2 children’s upbringing, but on the side, he had another “business”. He was only on rare occasions physically violent at home, but he certainly practised coercive control. There would often be times when he would get into moods where the family had to walk on eggshells to make sure they didn’t set him off. The fact that this man was a regular church-going family man aided in covering his crimes and allowing him to operate over such a long period without getting caught. Nobody cared about coercive control or occasional outbursts of family violence in those days so the only signs were ignored.
While he did steal jewellery and other items from his victims, the main motive was power and sexual gratification rather than money.
His wife and 2 adult children were absolutely shocked when the news came out in 2004 about what he had done. It took them a long time to.come to terms with who he was.
These days, Kerri is a very active advocate for victims of crime just like Sally Challen’s sons.

There are a lot of similarities between AKA and Kerri’s father in the way they were allowed to continue for so long without getting caught.
The differences are, however, that the family members didn’t receive any significant financial benefit and when they found out, their father was already in custody and not likely to be released.

I guess there is a possibility that sone of AKA’s family member’s are talking confidentially to law enforcement without it being publicised in the media.

Kerri Rawson was helping the investigation into her father but it was years before this came out in the media.

Shannelle Dawson was also helping with the investigation into her father but it didn’t come out in the media until after he was convicted.

 

[Procrastinator]

Been going back through previous posts and hadn't seen this one, full of info by @mishy66

Australia - Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #17

My question is. Did he change his name with centrelink everytime he had a name change or did he just use the "one bank account for his pension income in the De Hedervary name. And travel on the other names? I don't know. I would think you'd have to change it if you were legally changing names...

www.websleuths.com

Interesting!

 

[MrsWattle]

Been going back through previous posts and hadn't seen this one, full of info by @mishy66

Australia - Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #17

My question is. Did he change his name with centrelink everytime he had a name change or did he just use the "one bank account for his pension income in the De Hedervary name. And travel on the other names? I don't know. I would think you'd have to change it if you were legally changing names...

www.websleuths.com

Interesting!

Needs ASIC to thoroughly investigate all those financial services.