Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #21

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

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Always said he got the women to fill out cards and held onto them. This was in the inquest.
He, Diane and other women testified to such.

Reading your old message again Mishy, on the latest Crime Analyst episode Joni mentioning the family tree given to her. We still haven’t seen his birth certificate. I would still like to see this as confirmation of his actual birth parents. Was he in fact a cuckoo in the nest? As far as I know the Coppenolle family were not Jewish and yet he makes various references to it amongst his victims. Part of his con perhaps, but why?

I might have to let the ‘orse accident go now. According to Joni his first wife confirmed it happened. It would still be nice to see some former member of the Gendarmerie come forward who witnessed or heard of the event or a newspaper cutting recording the story.

I don’t think we need to blame the accident on his later behaviour. He was already a juvenile criminal.

 

[mishy66]

Reading your old message again Mishy, on the latest Crime Analyst episode Joni mentioning the family tree given to her. We still haven’t seen his birth certificate. I would still like to see this as confirmation of his actual birth parents. Was he in fact a cuckoo in the nest? As far as I know the Coppenolle family were not Jewish and yet he makes various references to it amongst his victims. Part of his con perhaps, but why?

I might have to let the ‘orse accident go now. According to Joni his first wife confirmed it happened. It would still be nice to see some former member of the Gendarmerie come forward who witnessed or heard of the event or a newspaper cutting recording the story.

I don’t think we need to blame the accident on his later behaviour. He was already a juvenile criminal.

Agree @Lord Peter Flimsy
Love a front row seat with you at the birth cert viewing table

And yes a born criminal with a relative who taught him well.
What better teacher than a ccounterfeiter right

IMO

 

[Deleted member 249471]

Joni's discoveries and the last episode were so interesting. He was in the mounted unit of the gendarmerie, same as his grandfather... I never took him for a sentimentalist given how much he stole from his family and disrespected them in stories.

And although his first wife said the 'orse accident' did happen, he still only told half the truth - there would never have been a stag involved. So why embellish a real accident? Maybe he just can't help himself. Or maybe it didn't quite happen that way. I mean... It's possible a coworker was so fed up with RB that he ran over him with his own orse, hahaha. And they just gave him the pension as a way to get rid of him because he was that much of a liability... who knows.

To be honest, the first thing I thought of when I heard the orse story, is that OF COURSE he would blame an animal that can't speak for itself, contradict him or tell their side of the story.

We also learned from Joni that his brother WAS a gambler and left huge debts betting on horses - as Mishy always suspected it'd be a thing RB might do.

 

[Deleted member 249471]

And the lies. All the lies. And all the theft, the creating a false sense of urgency, the gas lighting and other coercive control and con tactics. If no accountability/justice, how will aged care/respite care residents be protected when he ends up in that system? Just my opinion.

It really seems as though he's never told the truth for a single day in his life. He is a danger to everyone. I hope the staff are monitoring him closely. Or he's heavily sedated and put in isolation.

 

[charliethecat]

I am just poring through the material on this sad case now. AKA is certainly a cold/calculating person. I was wondering if the story of the meeting in Switzerland between MB & AKA been accepted? So have they checked that her footballer husband was away from the hotel at training camps etc. I just find the evidence he gave and is forcing others to take seriously is odd. Do we know if this marriage was teetering when they travelled to Switzerland. So would a one or two night stand be probable? I just don't think from the point of view of a woman this is probable but it certianly is the kind of behaviour that some married men indulge in.

Someone mentioned that perhaps a rough rule of thumb was that when names were changed by AKA then it was highly likely that a woman somewhere was being set-up for a scam or a scam was being contemplated. I agree with this.

I think also the travels to Belgium, sometimes 2 or 3 times a year, may be separate to the woman deceiving scams & that he was also involved in criminal activities in Belgium or other places on the Continent.

I'm from NZ. Business people did travel often overseas in the 1990s but you could see from their business activities that this was expected, politicians travelled and private people may have travelled. I was learning German at that stage and travelled to Germany for three years in a row in the mid 1990s & had holidays overseas in other years. No-one without a means of support would be travelling then and no-one I know travelling for holiday or private purposes would be going for a couple of days, then a month later going again.

I also think he may have other passports (apart from the multiple Aus passports we know he had) Flying out on an Aussie passport and then using an EU passport once in the EU. From my recollection travelling in Europe in the 1990s on an NZ passport we still had to go through passport control within Europe. My partner, travelling on a British passport, was always having to wait for me to go through passport control in UK & Europe on my NZ passport. If he is not showing up in Europe moving around then he is likely to have had a European passport. I am not sure whether the taking of Aus citizenship allows dual citizenship and therefore dual passports.

Just out of interest, bearing mind how strict NZ benefit rules are it is incredible that he was able to go overseas so frequently while still on a benefit. Very early on perhaps even in the late 1990s our passport/immigration people were catching NZers who were travelling overseas while receiving benefits, & asking questions. If his wife was receiving a carer's allowance how was the so-called sick person able to safely travel overseas without a carer? Carrying/bringing in large amounts of either foreign or NZ$ was controlled. For some countries, here in NZ having pensions coming in from overseas as well as a NZ pensions is taxed here as well as in the country of origin unless there is a double taxation treaty. This kind of stuff for his activities doesn't pass the sniff test for me but hopefully the Police have investigated his two pensions.

Which city did MB fly out from in UK/Europe to return to Aus?

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Joni's discoveries and the last episode were so interesting. He was in the mounted unit of the gendarmerie, same as his grandfather... I never took him for a sentimentalist given how much he stole from his family and disrespected them in stories.

And although his first wife said the 'orse accident' did happen, he still only told half the truth - there would never have been a stag involved. So why embellish a real accident? Maybe he just can't help himself. Or maybe it didn't quite happen that way. I mean... It's possible a coworker was so fed up with RB that he ran over him with his own orse, hahaha. And they just gave him the pension as a way to get rid of him because he was that much of a liability... who knows.

To be honest, the first thing I thought of when I heard the orse story, is that OF COURSE he would blame an animal that can't speak for itself, contradict him or tell their side of the story.

We also learned from Joni that his brother WAS a gambler and left huge debts betting on horses - as Mishy always suspected it'd be a thing RB might do.

Yes the ‘orse accident probably isn’t quite how he likes to tell the story.

No proof but I have wondered if some of his alleged ill-gotten gains have gone on gambling either on the ‘orses or the casino’s in the South of France? I believe Marion lived very close to Gold Coast Turf Club racecourse.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I am just poring through the material on this sad case now. AKA is certainly a cold/calculating person. I was wondering if the story of the meeting in Switzerland between MB & AKA been accepted? So have they checked that her footballer husband was away from the hotel at training camps etc. I just find the evidence he gave and is forcing others to take seriously is odd. Do we know if this marriage was teetering when they travelled to Switzerland. So would a one or two night stand be probable? I just don't think from the point of view of a woman this is probable but it certianly is the kind of behaviour that some married men indulge in.

Someone mentioned that perhaps a rough rule of thumb was that when names were changed by AKA then it was highly likely that a woman somewhere was being set-up for a scam or a scam was being contemplated. I agree with this.

I think also the travels to Belgium, sometimes 2 or 3 times a year, may be separate to the woman deceiving scams & that he was also involved in criminal activities in Belgium or other places on the Continent.

I'm from NZ. Business people did travel often overseas in the 1990s but you could see from their business activities that this was expected, politicians travelled and private people may have travelled. I was learning German at that stage and travelled to Germany for three years in a row in the mid 1990s & had holidays overseas in other years. No-one without a means of support would be travelling then and no-one I know travelling for holiday or private purposes would be going for a couple of days, then a month later going again.

I also think he may have other passports (apart from the multiple Aus passports we know he had) Flying out on an Aussie passport and then using an EU passport once in the EU. From my recollection travelling in Europe in the 1990s on an NZ passport we still had to go through passport control within Europe. My partner, travelling on a British passport, was always having to wait for me to go through passport control in UK & Europe on my NZ passport. If he is not showing up in Europe moving around then he is likely to have had a European passport. I am not sure whether the taking of Aus citizenship allows dual citizenship and therefore dual passports.

Just out of interest, bearing mind how strict NZ benefit rules are it is incredible that he was able to go overseas so frequently while still on a benefit. Very early on perhaps even in the late 1990s our passport/immigration people were catching NZers who were travelling overseas while receiving benefits, & asking questions. If his wife was receiving a carer's allowance how was the so-called sick person able to safely travel overseas without a carer? Carrying/bringing in large amounts of either foreign or NZ$ was controlled. For some countries, here in NZ having pensions coming in from overseas as well as a NZ pensions is taxed here as well as in the country of origin unless there is a double taxation treaty. This kind of stuff for his activities doesn't pass the sniff test for me but hopefully the Police have investigated his two pensions.

Which city did MB fly out from in UK/Europe to return to Aus?

The meeting in Switzerland is a figment of Aka’s vivid imagination. Marion & Johnny Warren married in Dec 1967. They came to England (Stockport near Manchester) in Sept 1968 when Johnny signed for Stockport County FC. Things didn’t work out and they left in Jan 1969. There is no evidence they ever went to Switzerland before returning to Australia in early Feb 1969. Certainly Aka’s description of Marion back then was proved wrong. She had short hair in photos of that time.

 

[Ooohm]

Yes, I don’t believe the Switzerland meeting ever happened. It was a fabricated story for him to explain the link between Marion and AKA because for some reason he didn’t want the world to know how it really happened.

 

[KinseyFan]

Yes, I don’t believe the Switzerland meeting ever happened. It was a fabricated story for him to explain the link between Marion and AKA because for some reason he didn’t want the world to know how it really happened.

Was the Switzerland meeting where he claimed MB couldn’t resist him? (‘Romantically’) What a pig. Just my personal opinion, of course

 

[mishy66]

The meeting in Switzerland is a figment of Aka’s vivid imagination. Marion & Johnny Warren married in Dec 1967. They came to England (Stockport near Manchester) in Sept 1968 when Johnny signed for Stockport County FC. Things didn’t work out and they left in Jan 1969. There is no evidence they ever went to Switzerland before returning to Australia in early Feb 1969. Certainly Aka’s description of Marion back then was proved wrong. She had short hair in photos of that time.

Yes all lies from him.

There is more to this story I believe in regard to JW and his old mate and the Stockport connection in my mind, as you know @Lord Peter Flimsy , all connected to how he picked up the deH name.
JMO

I hope to share it all once the Coroner hands down findings.

 

[mishy66]

Was the Switzerland meeting where he claimed MB couldn’t resist him? (‘Romantically’) What a pig. Just my personal opinion, of course

Yes a lying disgusting human, who sets out to undermine the fabric of women he comes across, making them out to be *advertiser censored*. When in fact he is.

 

[mishy66]

Which city did MB fly out from in UK/Europe to return to Aus?

Her passenger card left from Amsterdam

 

[mishy66]

And the lies. All the lies. And all the theft, the creating a false sense of urgency, the gas lighting and other coercive control and con tactics. If no accountability/justice, how will aged care/respite care residents be protected when he ends up in that system? Just my opinion.

I believe he left the age care home just after last inquest.
Used it as a place to gain some sort of proof he was a declining bumbling old fool. Even fooled his lawyer. All an act just like his life.

He couldn't lie staight in bed that creep.


JMO

 

[mishy66]

The best thing of all is that FINALLY people from all countries he has been in, the people he associated with, ALL his "family" , related or otherwise, acknowledged children or otherwise, innocent victims and the public, are hearing about Ric Blum and his life of horrendous crime.

That is justice in itself!

His mug all over the newspapers and internet

His Australian family navigating their lives through the mud.


I just LOVE that!

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Yes, I don’t believe the Switzerland meeting ever happened. It was a fabricated story for him to explain the link between Marion and AKA because for some reason he didn’t want the world to know how it really happened.

I hadn't realised that Marion and her ex husband the professional footballer had not even been in Switzerland - I thought that he'd gleaned this info from somewhere and at least it was based in some factual reality.

Something crosses my mind with this airy fairy story as I'm currently watching a UK 'period drama' series, Downton Abbey. The idea of him being this international fellow dashing around and wooing women with his intellect and romantic prowess, it's all very grandiose and fantastical and reminds me of the old fashioned dramas where the woman must keep things secret for the sake of her 'dignity' and 'reputation' and 'standing' and to keep in good grace with her family and society and marry well.

Meeting in Switzerland and having an illicit affair then meeting years later and reconnecting, it's all so dramatic and grand. I think he lives in a fantasy world in which he's some kind of dashing hero romancer that can make women do anything and where he can tell any lie and it's believed due to his superiority and sophistication, like he's a chancer in an old fashioned movie. Except it's horribly real and he's degraded and harmed so many.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

The best thing of all is that FINALLY people from all countries he has been in, the people he associated with, ALL his "family" , related or otherwise, acknowledged children or otherwise, innocent victims and the public, are hearing about Ric Blum and his life of horrendous crime.

That is justice in itself!

His mug all over the newspapers and internet

His Australian family navigating their lives through the mud.


I just LOVE that!

Wonder how his family are all getting along under the burden of this information and how it is on a day to day level with their communities, neighbours, friends, colleagues. Mind boggles. What do he and his wife DO all day?

 

[Deleted member 249471]

Ha! I don't think even RB actually believes he had two completely random affairs with Marion, decades apart. IMO allegedly, the reason he told the court he knew MB for so long and that she initiated contact both times, was to distance himself from the narrative that he quickly targeted, stalked and pursued her for a con job. As to meeting Marion the second time, he said SHE placed a lonely hearts ad in a newspaper and that he responded to it (not the other way around). He told similar lies (allegedly) with his other victims - always suggesting they approached him as he was going about his daily life. So it's not his fault you see - women just throw themselves at his feet, despite being a married invalid pensioner who rents rather than owns.

As for him doing other scams in Europe, it's very possible. It's hard to fathom that furniture business was legit.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

He was just a sex magnet, women flung themselves at him and had their wicked way...

 

[Deleted member 249471]

Despite all the horrendous lies (allegedly) that his victims approached him, and he never deceived them into romantic relationships for the purpose of financial gain, there is a really important silver lining: he DID ADMIT to placing the Le Courrier ad, and agreed that in that ad, he did NOT represent himself truthfully. So despite all the lies, the ad is physical proof (in my opinion, allegedly) that he purposefully DID seek out woman for deceitful relationships (scams). That ad is a godsend, and so is Ghislaines engagement notice, and Marion's passenger card that says she's married.

 

[mishy66]

I hadn't realised that Marion and her ex husband the professional footballer had not even been in Switzerland - I thought that he'd gleaned this info from somewhere and at least it was based in some factual reality.

Something crosses my mind with this airy fairy story as I'm currently watching a UK 'period drama' series, Downton Abbey. The idea of him being this international fellow dashing around and wooing women with his intellect and romantic prowess, it's all very grandiose and fantastical and reminds me of the old fashioned dramas where the woman must keep things secret for the sake of her 'dignity' and 'reputation' and 'standing' and to keep in good grace with her family and society and marry well.

Meeting in Switzerland and having an illicit affair then meeting years later and reconnecting, it's all so dramatic and grand. I think he lives in a fantasy world in which he's some kind of dashing hero romancer that can make women do anything and where he can tell any lie and it's believed due to his superiority and sophistication, like he's a chancer in an old fashioned movie. Except it's horribly real and he's degraded and harmed so many.

The Switzerland tall tale wasnt just thrown in at the last mintute by AH during the inquest.


Remembering he does seem to string narratives from real life situations eg, books he has read, stories others have told him, people he has met, family members connections etc etc etc

There was a connection to Switzerland and soccer and a connection to Marion and soccer and 2 players in his concept for deceit.

JW and his once close friend GY , who I have no doubt did at some time meet MB.

I believe AH also ran across GY in his life early on in the piece and used a story he heard.... to redevelop a tall tail about his supposed meeting of MB and it is THAT, that he used for his BS tale of MB throwing herself at him in Switzerland.


He is full of it.

But as we have seen throughout this saga, he threads truths with his BS to puff out his grand stories.

JMO of course

There is definitely a connection to GY and him. IMO