GUILTY Australia - Morgan Huxley, 31, stabbed to death, Neutral Bay, NSW, 8 Sept 2013 #2

[Ausgirl]

Not sure if these particular snippets have been posted already, but I found them interesting:

"Owner Sammy said he was a vegan who struck him as ''a little strange''. ''He was very quiet, always had a smile on his face and a book in his hand,'' he said.

Next door, a Crust Gourmet Pizza bar employee said he could not believe the ''small and skinny'' regular was in custody.

''My whole staff, we can't believe it. I still can't believe it.''

He said the accused had often talked of how he worked at the cooking school across the road.''Never talked about his personal life,'' he said.

http://www.theland.com.au/news/metr...-of-grief-for-victim/2674472.aspx?storypage=0

It strikes me as a little ironic that DJK wouldn't eat animals - but could stick in a knife in a human being multiple times.

eta: The comments here remind of comments made about Dahmer, by those who knew him casually. Outwardly, he too was a lot like this, a skinny little guy who was maybe "a little strange" but seemed harmless enough. Then people find out what's really been going on in his home.. and in his head.. They'd be pretty freaked out, I'd imagine.

 

[Ausgirl]

7News Yahoo!7 (@Y7News)
12/10/13 1:54 PM
Sydney police say a man's partner found him in his northern beaches unit with four stab wounds to the neck. yhoo.it/GKIPg

Sydney man stabbed four times in neck

October 12, 2013, 2:22 pm

A man has been stabbed repeatedly in the neck on Sydney's northern beaches.

Police say the man in his late 20s was discovered in the kitchen of his Newport unit by his partner after midday on Saturday.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/19362240/sydney-man-stabbed-four-times-in-neck/

Woahhhh. Mind reeling stuff..

 

[Flinders]

Not sure if these particular snippets have been posted already, but I found them interesting:

"Owner Sammy said he was a vegan who struck him as ''a little strange''. ''He was very quiet, always had a smile on his face and a book in his hand,'' he said.

Next door, a Crust Gourmet Pizza bar employee said he could not believe the ''small and skinny'' regular was in custody.

''My whole staff, we can't believe it. I still can't believe it.''

He said the accused had often talked of how he worked at the cooking school across the road.''Never talked about his personal life,'' he said.

http://www.theland.com.au/news/metr...-of-grief-for-victim/2674472.aspx?storypage=0

It strikes me as a little ironic that DJK wouldn't eat animals - but could stick in a knife in a human being multiple times.

eta: The comments here remind of comments made about Dahmer, by those who knew him casually. Outwardly, he too was a lot like this, a skinny little guy who was maybe "a little strange" but seemed harmless enough. Then people find out what's really been going on in his home.. and in his head.. They'd be pretty freaked out, I'd imagine.

About him being vegan. This quote was from the guy at the noodle shop. A vegan who cannot eat cheese probably doesn't dine 5 times a week on $21 pizzas.

The 'skinny' comment was probably asked because really who eats out as much as this and is still thin. From my experience it is in the genes.

Eta. My husband has the thin gene.

 

[BoxHead]

Do they really rise to the top, I thought that was a small minority too, and in reality they underachieve.

Sociopaths are disproportionately represented in a big way amongst high achievers. These are usually high functioning sociopaths. High functioning sociopaths excel at manipulating people so they tend to do very well and are able to fake empathy.

I don't know how low functioning sociopaths fare in general. They are much more unusual. I've only ever had to deal with one low functioning sociopath and he was essentially unemployable but was tolerated simply because he was so brilliant no one else could do his job. As a general rule I can't imagine low functioning sociopaths faring very well though.

The awesome thing about a low functioning sociopath if you ever have the misfortune to deal with one on a daily basis is that the sociopathy is laid bare before you. They are a stripped down version of a high functioning sociopath . It is fascinating to watch them reason.

 

[Flinders]

He had four stab wounds to the neck.

The man was treated at the scene by paramedics and taken to Royal North Shore Hospital in a serious condition.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/10/12/14/25/sydney-man-stabbed-four-times-in-neck

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Found by his partner eh? Will watch this one for updates.

 

[Ausgirl]

About him being vegan. This quote was from the guy at the noodle shop. A vegan who cannot eat cheese probably doesn't dine 5 times a week on $21 pizzas.

The 'skinny' comment was probably asked because really who eats out as much as this and is still thin. From my experience it is in the genes.

Eta. My husband has the thin gene.

Yeah - I notice he's said to have eaten feta pizzas, so more a veggo than vegan. I was interested in the "little strange" comment.

 

[BoxHead]

I am enjoying this discussion on sociopathy.

Absolutely. It is just a question of degree.

Some people are probably more likely to be susceptible to developing a deeper level of sociopathy through genetics.

I too hold this opinion.

Like some on here though I believe that worrying sociopathy can mostly be attributed to how someone was raised or developed.

I doubt this but I don't know enough to dispute it.

It's not that long ago that I felt that I could have become a dangerous sociopath. This was mainly because of the way I was raised. I come from a middle class family but my parents have neglected me for my entire life. This had caused a whole host of issues which I have now moved past as I am very fortunate to have a high state of consciousness. I was able to steer clear of a path which I believe would have made me physically hurt people. The person I have made myself into is someone who I am extremely proud of.

This in itself works against your argument that the way you were raised causes sociopathy. You aren't a sociopath (that is the ultimate compliment by the way). Wanting to hurt someone doesn't make you a sociopath.

Despite being neglected as a child you clearly care about other people. You are wired properly and so am I.

 

[BoxHead]

Yeah - I notice he's said to have eaten feta pizzas, so more a veggo than vegan. I was interested in the "little strange" comment.

Aus,

I gather your interest in whether the guy was a vegan etc is you wondering whether the guy has values/principles/empathy etc?

 

[Flinders]

Yeah - I notice he's said to have eaten feta pizzas, so more a veggo than vegan. I was interested in the "little strange" comment.

From what I have read in MSM, he didn't order Feta. I am a veggo but can't stand pizza's because they don't understand hold the meat and triple the veg. Maybe that is why he chose the pizza shop... They understood the veg factor.

<modsnip> EB Games said he could talk a lot about gaming. If this was a favourite topic, why would he chit chat with other non gamers.

A little bit strange is subjective. Moo just from dodging meat for years.

 

[dcohenist]

My first ever posting...
You all are truly amazing in your thoughtful reflections on what might have happened that night...
What if it was the other way around?
What if MH was the sociopathic one with S&M tendencies?
Good looking with big smile having 14 women on his books at any given time: not a definition of a honest truth telling lover...
Perhaps MH pushed the envelop to hard in their sexual adventure, DJK could not take it anymore , and stabbed him in self defence... And lost the plot since then...
Few comments re the issues discussed earlier on:
1) walking bare foot is a recent Sydney fad. Most of my students in fact walk into their uni lectures with no shoes on... I think outward insignia of 'laid back surfy tribe' or wannabes
2) no gay or straight man or woman would not let a stranger into their home after they just met them on the street. However friendly Aussies may be, that's not something that would happen. 1:30 am.
3) the fact that DJK ran after MH to me suggests that this was a hook up and they were familiar with each other




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[Flinders]

Aus,

I gather your interest in whether the guy was a vegan etc is you wondering whether the guy has values/principles/empathy etc?

BoxHead, I have socialised with some really nice people that grow and sell animals. Their theory is that without us you can not feed a nation. They are really kind and therefore I kindly dodge meat. Farmers aren't homicidal maniacs.

 

[MsAnais]

Not sure if these particular snippets have been posted already, but I found them interesting:

"Owner Sammy said he was a vegan who struck him as ''a little strange''. ''He was very quiet, always had a smile on his face and a book in his hand,'' he said.

Next door, a Crust Gourmet Pizza bar employee said he could not believe the ''small and skinny'' regular was in custody.

''My whole staff, we can't believe it. I still can't believe it.''

He said the accused had often talked of how he worked at the cooking school across the road.''Never talked about his personal life,'' he said.

http://www.theland.com.au/news/metr...-of-grief-for-victim/2674472.aspx?storypage=0

It strikes me as a little ironic that DJK wouldn't eat animals - but could stick in a knife in a human being multiple times.

eta: The comments here remind of comments made about Dahmer, by those who knew him casually. Outwardly, he too was a lot like this, a skinny little guy who was maybe "a little strange" but seemed harmless enough. Then people find out what's really been going on in his home.. and in his head.. They'd be pretty freaked out, I'd imagine.

So true re "a little strange"!! How often do we hear that after an arrest?!! 'He was a loner who was a little strange' is eerily common. People sense something a little off but they can't put their finger on it - tis more of an intuitive thing.

Good point re Jeffery Dahmer (whose case I too am fascinated by) - he seemed harmless, had passable interpersonal skills, seemed a little odd but nothing major. (PS. I think Dahmer was actually quite tall, rather than a little guy. Trivial serial killer fact there!)

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Not so much the legality of owning the gun Clue ... more the fact that they are very difficult to source unless you have some criminal element 'friends' who can source one for you .. from someone who is willing to give one up. (Police do regular dragnet operations among gangs to take their weapons away).

Which is why DJK used a knife, no doubt.

(If you are going to be an honorary Aussie, you'll have to get your head around that one! No guns! We don't want them. Oh ... and you'll also have to change your name to Cluesy or Hazza, or something like that. )

Thanks for the gun control background...

I am working on getting my head around that... ut em up:

Boy... It is going to be tough getting to be an Honorary Aussie!

Just throwing in a couple of "Mates" in my posts isn't going to be enough, then, right?

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[MsAnais]

My first ever posting...
You all are truly amazing in your thoughtful reflections on what might have happened that night...
What if it was the other way around?
What if MH was the sociopathic one with S&M tendencies?
Good looking with big smile having 14 women on his books at any given time: not a definition of a honest truth telling lover...
Perhaps MH pushed the envelop to hard in their sexual adventure, DJK could not take it anymore , and stabbed him in self defence... And lost the plot since then...
Few comments re the issues discussed earlier on:
1) walking bare foot is a recent Sydney fad. Most of my students in fact walk into their uni lectures with no shoes on... I think outward insignia of 'laid back surfy tribe' or wannabes
2) no gay or straight man or woman would not let a stranger into their home after they just met them on the street. However friendly Aussies may be, that's not something that would happen. 1:30 am.
3) the fact that DJK ran after MH to me suggests that this was a hook up and they were familiar with each other




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Welcome!!!:seeya:

And thank you for the perspective that it may have been the other way round - with MH not so innocent in it all!! I'm loathe to speak negatively about him, as he ended up dead, but absolutely he may not be what people seem to think. Could well have had a double life going on.

Also, looking a little deeper into journalists descriptions of MH - "larger than life", "a larrikin" - what does that really mean? This is no quiet, retiring, helpless guy. And he obviously had a lot of charisma. Who knows though??

JMO :twocents:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Totally off topic but interesting and made me laugh in a 'not so funny' kind of way. I found out a few months ago that teenagers can't be diagnosed as sociopaths because so many regular teenage behaviours fit into the diagnostic criteria for sociopaths. It certainly explains why it's so hard to live with them!

Interestingly funny!

 

[Ausgirl]

Aus,

I gather your interest in whether the guy was a vegan etc is you wondering whether the guy has values/principles/empathy etc?

Nah, was just replying to Flinders. I don't think it matters much, except in a kind of ironic way - wouldn't eat an animal, but can stab a man repeatedly..

eta: matter of fact, some of the worst people I've ever known were vegos/vegan. I think Hitler was a veggo.

From what I have read in MSM, he didn't order Feta. I am a veggo but can't stand pizza's because they don't understand hold the meat and triple the veg. Maybe that is why he chose the pizza shop... They understood the veg factor.

<modsnip>. EB Games said he could talk a lot about gaming. If this was a favourite topic, why would he chit chat with other non gamers.

A little bit strange is subjective. Moo just from dodging meat for years.

<modsnip>

I am fairly sure I saw 'feta' somewhere. Maybe I'm just hungry.

Not that I think it matters what he ate, as I've said.

The "little strange" is interesting, as it's the first such comment I've come across in msm for this guy. Everyone else seems terribly gobsmacked.

Gamers DO talk about other things. It's been said that DJK would chit chat - just never offered much in the way of personal information, which tends to come out over time as you deal with people on a daily basis.

The Chinese lady at my local shop knows I'm a mother, that my cat was recently desexed, that I hate being cold, that I write and crochet, etc.

I know she hates being cold, cares for her elderly parents, just became a grandma, misses her family in China, etc etc....

Just by way of example of the snippets people we don't know from soap really will pick up over time, in casual conversation.

That DJK saw these people daily and they know next to nothing about him personally is interesting, to me.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Not sure if these particular snippets have been posted already, but I found them interesting:

"Owner Sammy said he was a vegan who struck him as ''a little strange''. ''He was very quiet, always had a smile on his face and a book in his hand,'' he said.

Next door, a Crust Gourmet Pizza bar employee said he could not believe the ''small and skinny'' regular was in custody.

''My whole staff, we can't believe it. I still can't believe it.''

He said the accused had often talked of how he worked at the cooking school across the road.''Never talked about his personal life,'' he said.

http://www.theland.com.au/news/metr...-of-grief-for-victim/2674472.aspx?storypage=0

It strikes me as a little ironic that DJK wouldn't eat animals - but could stick in a knife in a human being multiple times.

eta: The comments here remind of comments made about Dahmer, by those who knew him casually. Outwardly, he too was a lot like this, a skinny little guy who was maybe "a little strange" but seemed harmless enough. Then people find out what's really been going on in his home.. and in his head.. They'd be pretty freaked out, I'd imagine.

Yes... These are interesting comments/observations...

following the train of thought regarding vegan... Wouldn't most chefs need to learn to prepare meals consisting of meat... Unless the chef was accepting of limited job opportunities...

Just some thoughts...

 

[marlywings]

Ok folks...moving right along now. Please get back on topic of the thread - Morgan Huxley.

 

[Tugela]

Hi Boxhead! :seeya:

I totally agree with what you're saying in terms of the inability to effect significant change with sociopaths as they are unreachable. And I too am fascinated by them!

But I don't know of definitive clinical evidence showing that they are 'born' without the correct wiring for empathy. My understanding is that empathy is actually a learned trait that develops over time in all children - that's why we teach little kids about thinking about the other person's feelings etc (which they don't naturally do). I would think that rather than being born without the correct wiring, the neural pathways regarding empathy in sociopaths didn't develop in their early childhood.

It is not a question of having the "right" or "wrong" wiring, people just see the world in different ways. Not having empathy does not make a person evil, likewise having empathy does not make a person good. People with empathy kill and steal just as readily as those without.

Btw, anything that is developmental is almost always inherited or environmental, nurture has nothing to do with that.

The thing that affects the behaviour of an individual irrespective of which side of the empathy divide they fall is their culture (and by that I mean the culture of their immediate social environment, not racial or national culture).