TootsieFootsie
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Love your comment "In this case, I don't think it's a good idea to try to find a nice and tidy answer and someone to put the blame on."I've had experiences where I was in the depths of depression and finally reached out.
It took a lot for me to do that.
I had chosen how I was going to end it, and told them.
One GP when I asked to speak to someone said that they don't have anything like that and that I was stronger than I thought I was.
Another said but you didn't do it, you're still here.
There was another one where everything I was brave enough to reveal happened to her too, and I was there just wasting her time. The session, which was a free mental health one didn't last. I reached for my handbag, said thank you and left. In my mind I was saying "thanks for nothing, and thanks for the lack of empathy"
I realised, in my case I was on my own. So I became my own therapist, but I know it's not that easy.
Many people are suffering and can't get the help they need.
In this case, I don't think it's a good idea to try to find a nice and tidy answer and someone to put the blame on.
Like the woman who was visiting JCs parents said to the media outside.
Have a bit of empathy.
DBM - duplicated.I've had experiences where I was in the depths of depression and finally reached out.
It took a lot for me to do that.
I had chosen how I was going to end it, and told them.
One GP when I asked to speak to someone said that they don't have anything like that and that I was stronger than I thought I was.
Another said but you didn't do it, you're still here.
There was another one where everything I was brave enough to reveal happened to her too, and I was there just wasting her time. The session, which was a free mental health one didn't last. I reached for my handbag, said thank you and left. In my mind I was saying "thanks for nothing, and thanks for the lack of empathy"
I realised, in my case I was on my own. So I became my own therapist, but I know it's not that easy.
Many people are suffering and can't get the help they need.
In this case, I don't think it's a good idea to try to find a nice and tidy answer and someone to put the blame on.
Like the woman who was visiting JCs parents said to the media outside.
Have a bit of empathy.
Sor Juana In Australia, a referendum is only held if there if there is a proposed change to the constitution.Can you recall a referendum on that decision? It seems it came from above, likely for financial reasons.
Please don't take this the wrong way, the officer did act and deserves a good word. But in the US these kinds of confrontations are routine. Her adversary was armed with a knife. She had a gun. He's dead. Routine. The difference here is your psycho stabbed people. In the US usually when someone goes on a rampage killing spree, they are using AR-15''s or other semi-automatic weapons, maybe a short barreled shotgun and definitely a Glock. Australians should be glad you have much tougher gun laws. Otherwise the body count could have been much higher. The US still doesn't get it.Sounds like a lot of brave acts, and the lone police officer facing him down a true hero. Thoughts to all those impacted.
This is right next to Bondi is a tourist hot spot, and the location of arguably Australia’s most popular beach, known for sunshine, swimming and fun. makes this tragedy even more unbelievable.
Yes, we sure are lucky to be here in Australia where historic gun law reforms were introduced in 1996.Please don't take this the wrong way, the officer did act and deserves a good word. But in the US these kinds of confrontations are routine. Her adversary was armed with a knife. She had a gun. He's dead. Routine. The difference here is your psycho stabbed people. In the US usually when someone goes on a rampage killing spree, they are using AR-15''s or other semi-automatic weapons, maybe a short barreled shotgun and definitely a Glock. Australians should be glad you have much tougher gun laws. Otherwise the body count could have been much higher. The US still doesn't get it.
"Spotlight on 'gaps' in Australia's mental health system in wake of Bondi Junction attack.
....
Institutions shut down 30 years ago
National Association of Practising Psychiatrists president Philip Morris says problems with the system started 30 years ago
when mental health institutions were closed down.
'Suddenly, very unwell people were on the streets,
families were expected to care for them,
some ended up in homeless shelters or living rough,
and many were picked up by police.
Treatments were not followed up and they became a very disadvantaged group of people who should have been properly cared for',
Dr Morris says.
'This group of patients are very marginalised.'
Dr Morris says it is possible to reduce the risk of incidents such as the Bondi attack from happening.
'I would think one of the most important things to do is to start to improve the level of care for these groups of patients that have been disadvantaged over the last 30 to 40 years
and provide them with the sort of care that they deserve and that they need to remain productive and safe members of the community',
he says."
Spotlight on 'gaps' in Australia's mental health system in wake of Bondi Junction attack - ABC News
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"Furious footy great Alastair Clarkson lashes out at Australia's failure to deal with 'scourge of society' he says is behind Bondi stabbing rampage.
'You're just fed up with it to be fair.
We've got three families in Ballarat grieving.
We get the same thing after every one of them,
drugs or alcohol, and yet as a society, as a government we say,
'Our fellow Australians, we're grieving for our lost ones again'.
'When is it actually going to change?
When are people actually going to do something about this scourge on society which is drugs and alcohol ?'
'The government does nothing about it to the extent that they should.
Drugs is an issue in our sport and we don't do enough about it and we should.
And it's crippling society.
And this is one of the best countries in the world,
but we can do something about it.
But we just tolerate it and don't stand up against it'."
Alastair Clarkson slams 'scourge' behind Bondi Junction stabbing
Alastair Clarkson has hit out at Australia's failure to deal with violence related to drugs and alcohol following the Bondi stabbing rampage that has shocked the nation.www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org
‘Crippling society’: AFL coach lashes Australia after Bondi stabbing attack
Alastair Clarkson has called for tougher measures surrounding drugs and alcohol related violence in the wake of the Bondi stabbing rampage that has rocked the country.www-news-com-au.cdn.ampproject.org
I sadly think the US is too far gone. Even in 96, when the changes came in. Most people didnt own a gun, and for those that did it wasnt as easy as what it is in the states.Yes, we sure are lucky to be here in Australia where historic gun law reforms were introduced in 1996.
Mods, I hope I'm not too off-topic here - IMO it's relevant, and the attached link gives some insight, particularly for Websleuthers from countries outside Australia, who may not be aware of/familiar with Australia's Historic Gun Law Reforms, and how the impossible was made possible.
It took one massacre: how Australia embraced gun control after Port Arthur
The decisive political response to the killing of 35 people in Tasmania by a gunman 20 years ago changed Australia – and has lessons for the US todaywww.theguardian.com
MOO
i dont think ita the drugs and alcohol. Drugs (albeit different drugs) and alcohol have been around for centuries.same is happening here in Canada - all of it
and probably many other countries too
we all need to do better
PS to my above post.Excellent question Dotta, and no, I don't think it's too much to ask for adequate treatment for MH patients at all.
IMO adequate treatment for MH patients should be available, just as adequate treatment is available for patients suffering from physiological illnesses, viral diseases, and other diseases including neurological illness (as opposed to "mental" illness where behaviour is affected.) (I am not a medical person - I'm sure other Websleuthers can explain distinctions much better than I.)
I fail to see why sufferers of mental health conditions are not provided with a similar level of treatment as sufferers of other conditions - what possible justification can there be for this?
IMO In our society, mental illness is stigmatised appallingly, and I believe it is common for people to hide mental health situations/conditions when they wouldn't if they were suffering from a non-MH condition. I have observed this throughout my working life.
As a sufferer of major depression, at one stage I attended the Emergency department of my local (regional) hospital, as I was on the brink of suicide and in a state of crisis. (Caveat here - I do recognise that being a triage nurse would be very challenging - nevertheless...) I endured hours of sitting in a full waiting room, sobbing my heart out - eventually I was "seen" by the duty doctor, and then sent home WHERE I LIVED ALONE, DRIVING A CAR, WHEN I WAS CLEARLY NOT IN A FIT STATE TO DRIVE. In effect, I was stigmatised in front of a room full of people, all who would have seen that it was not a good idea to admit to suffering from a mental illness to the triage nurse at this location.
The only thing that kept me going when I got home that night was experiencing the love of my two cats who were clearly tuned in to my emotions and doing their best to comfort me. I couldn't bring myself to abandon them to an uncertain future.
The whole experience brought home to me how difficult it can be to get appropriate help - particularly if you don't have a support person with you IMO.
I noticed very insightful comments from a former member of Gauci's "close circle of friends" during high school in Toowoomba.
(Yes I have been critical of DM at times - this is a direct quote however). Good job DM! -
'If there's a lesson, it's that mental illness is a *advertiser censored* and we shouldn't muck around with it...
We shouldn't be too tough to get help ourselves when we need to, and when people reach out to us for connection we should see it for what it is and not ignore them...
Joel's surely not the only one struggling...'
(He also shared his sympathy for the loved ones of the six shoppers who were killed and the injured.)
Inside the mind of a crazed killer as woman reveals details of affair
Josephine Everson, who dated Westfield Bondi Junction stabber Joel Cauchi for five months in 2019, has revealed what it was like being in a relationship with the crazed killer.www.dailymail.co.uk
Joel Cauchi was just another face in the crowd. Without warning, he pulled a knife from his bag and lunged at his first victim. Chilling security vision captured his deadly path through Westfield.