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So police believe Julie met her plight within a 5 hour window.
Interesting another victim within weeks of Julie had been abducted while exiting clouds which would be the type of club you would wear Julies attire with those patent shoes.

"After we recovered Julie’s vehicle...we were able to establish that one of the rear doors of her car couldn't be locked,” he said.

“So we looked at the possibility that someone may have secreted themselves in the back seat while it was parked at the hotel without her knowing and that she was forced to drive somewhere.”

Mr Carey said some time after the 22-year-old went missing, police received information which suggested she could have gone to the Burswood Casino after she left the Parmelia.

The former cop believes Ms Cutler succumbed to whatever fate she met in a five-hour window between 12.30am on June 20 and daybreak that morning

What happened to Julie Cutler? 30 years on, the question still remains

This might interest you>

AAP General News (Australia)
12-19-2001
WA: Ex-SAS soldier who extorted $2 mln from casino gets 12 years

By Andrea Mayes

PERTH, Dec 19 AAP - A former British SAS soldier who extorted $2 million from Perth's
Burswood casino and kidnapped and drugged an undercover police officer was sentenced today
to 12 years' jail.

Roger Sidney William Payne, 55, an Order of Australia recipient who listed army chief
Peter Cosgrove as a referee, had pleaded guilty to extortion, kidnapping and threatening
to kill the police constable.

The West Australian District Court was told Payne sent an "authentic and menacing"

ransom letter to Burswood casino management on August 31 this year, threatening to detonate
explosives inside the hotel complex unless he was paid $2 million.

Chief judge Kevin Hammond said Payne telephoned casino management the following evening
and arranged for a courier to deliver the cash to him.

An undercover police officer who met Payne with the money was subsequently kidnapped
by the former soldier, who was armed with a replica semi-automatic shotgun and a grenade.

Payne ordered the officer to drive to bushland in Perth's southern suburbs and threatened
to shoot him if he did not obey.

He then telephoned Burswood and warned that any attempt to apprehend the officer would
result in his murder.

About 5,000 people were then evacuated from the casino and hotel while a six-hour search
for explosives was undertaken.

Meanwhile, Payne made the police officer drink a sleeping potion and forced him to
strip naked before ordering him to run towards his car and not look back.

Payne was arrested two days later when he tried to retrieve the money, which he had
hidden in bushland.

Judge Hammond said the crime had no precedents in WA and he could not recall an offence
of the same apparent menace and gravity.

He said Payne's actions were partially explained by his depressed mental state since
retiring after more than 30 years with both the British SAS and, later, the Australian
army.

Several doctors testified Payne had suffered severe depression and feelings of worthlessness,
and had been unable to adjust to life outside the military, despite the support and love
of his family.

However, Judge Hammond said the seriousness of the offences, particularly the "very
considerable cruelty" inflicted on the police officer, warranted a lengthy sentence.

AAP alm/sd/jnb/sb

KEYWORD: PAYNE

2001 AAP Information Services Pty Limited (AAP) or its Licensors.

 

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This might interest you>

AAP General News (Australia)
12-19-2001
WA: Ex-SAS soldier who extorted $2 mln from casino gets 12 years

By Andrea Mayes

PERTH, Dec 19 AAP - A former British SAS soldier who extorted $2 million from Perth's
Burswood casino and kidnapped and drugged an undercover police officer was sentenced today
to 12 years' jail.

Roger Sidney William Payne, 55, an Order of Australia recipient who listed army chief
Peter Cosgrove as a referee, had pleaded guilty to extortion, kidnapping and threatening
to kill the police constable.

The West Australian District Court was told Payne sent an "authentic and menacing"

ransom letter to Burswood casino management on August 31 this year, threatening to detonate
explosives inside the hotel complex unless he was paid $2 million.

Chief judge Kevin Hammond said Payne telephoned casino management the following evening
and arranged for a courier to deliver the cash to him.

An undercover police officer who met Payne with the money was subsequently kidnapped
by the former soldier, who was armed with a replica semi-automatic shotgun and a grenade.

Payne ordered the officer to drive to bushland in Perth's southern suburbs and threatened
to shoot him if he did not obey.

He then telephoned Burswood and warned that any attempt to apprehend the officer would
result in his murder.

About 5,000 people were then evacuated from the casino and hotel while a six-hour search
for explosives was undertaken.

Meanwhile, Payne made the police officer drink a sleeping potion and forced him to
strip naked before ordering him to run towards his car and not look back.

Payne was arrested two days later when he tried to retrieve the money, which he had
hidden in bushland.

Judge Hammond said the crime had no precedents in WA and he could not recall an offence
of the same apparent menace and gravity.

He said Payne's actions were partially explained by his depressed mental state since
retiring after more than 30 years with both the British SAS and, later, the Australian
army.

Several doctors testified Payne had suffered severe depression and feelings of worthlessness,
and had been unable to adjust to life outside the military, despite the support and love
of his family.

However, Judge Hammond said the seriousness of the offences, particularly the "very
considerable cruelty" inflicted on the police officer, warranted a lengthy sentence.

AAP alm/sd/jnb/sb

KEYWORD: PAYNE

2001 AAP Information Services Pty Limited (AAP) or its Licensors.

I note that when David Everett and James Reynolds were arrested for the kidnappings and abductions in 1991, that the third member of the gang, assumed to be another former SAS commando, was never captured nor identified. I wonder if Payne might've been around Perth back ten years before?

"In 1991 in Perth, Western Australia, all three - in a stunt that lasted several hours - raided the home of a theatre manager and his pregnant wife of 6 months taking the couple at gun-point in order to open the safe to gain access to the funds. They stole the money but were later caught. Everett, however, was released on bail whilst Reynolds committed suicide in prison, the third accomplice escaped capture and remained unidentified."

Dave Everett - Wikipedia

Cancer kills notorious SAS man | The West Australian

 

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I note that when David Everett and James Reynolds were arrested for the kidnappings and abductions in 1991, that the third member of the gang, assumed to be another former SAS commando, was never captured nor identified. I wonder if Payne might've been around Perth back ten years before?

"In 1991 in Perth, Western Australia, all three - in a stunt that lasted several hours - raided the home of a theatre manager and his pregnant wife of 6 months taking the couple at gun-point in order to open the safe to gain access to the funds. They stole the money but were later caught. Everett, however, was released on bail whilst Reynolds committed suicide in prison, the third accomplice escaped capture and remained unidentified."

Dave Everett - Wikipedia

Cancer kills notorious SAS man | The West Australian

I think we have had a similar discussion before.

Thread 18 page 22:
Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #18

Anyone know where Roger Sidney William Payne was on 20th June 1988? I wonder if he left the bag of clothes in the Paragon Arcade? Why choose the arcade with such an unusual name, which only the father would recognise as being the name of a mining company?

Ex-Soldier Extorts $1.4 Million from Casino

Possibly Singleton, NSW if this is the same person.

trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/120874672
From 1990 Australia Day Honors list: HONORARY MEDAL OF THE ORDER (OAM)

Warrant Officer Class Two
Roger Sidney William PAYNE,
Singleton, NSW, for service to the Australian Army as Supervisor Physical Training at the Infantry Centre.

 

[petedavo.au]

I think we have had a similar discussion before.

Thread 18 page 22:
Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #18

Thanks. You have a much better memory than me.
Since Everett and Reynolds are both deceased, and Payne was in NSW, the question is, who was the third member of the abduction for ransom gang roaming around Perth? If he's still alive, would be know if Everett had anything to do with the disappearance of Julie Cutler? Would anyone? Did David Everett ever visit the Peppermint Grove Library? Too bad that we can't check their membership records from back in 88 for matches to potential suspects.

 

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Missing since 2001. Just reported missing by AFP. Rebecca DELALANDE

 

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Missing since 2001. Just reported missing by AFP. Rebecca DELALANDE

Noel Acton. Missing from Gosnells 2007

 

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'She accepted a lift and never seen again': Unsolved murder of teen Kerry Turner

Did Kerry Turner know her murderer?

 

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So police believe Julie met her plight within a 5 hour window.
Interesting another victim within weeks of Julie had been abducted while exiting clouds which would be the type of club you would wear Julies attire with those patent shoes.

"After we recovered Julie’s vehicle...we were able to establish that one of the rear doors of her car couldn't be locked,” he said.

“So we looked at the possibility that someone may have secreted themselves in the back seat while it was parked at the hotel without her knowing and that she was forced to drive somewhere.”

Mr Carey said some time after the 22-year-old went missing, police received information which suggested she could have gone to the Burswood Casino after she left the Parmelia.

The former cop believes Ms Cutler succumbed to whatever fate she met in a five-hour window between 12.30am on June 20 and daybreak that morning

What happened to Julie Cutler? 30 years on, the question still remains

Julie had a car waiting outside Parmelia Hotel staff party which she had to store her uniform yet the Parmelia uniform was found at Kings Kebabs.

Which begs the question, why would a perpetrator choose Kings Kebabs (Centre Arcade?) to leave Julies uniform?

Only a few Parmelia champagne flutes were found in Julies car.

A black evening dress might be something you wear to Clouds nightclub Sheraton Hotel or the Casino.

 

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In the weeks prior, Julie had a vehicle stalk her several kilometres down Stirling highway from her work place on mill st.
The vehicle attempted cut Julie off on Stirling highway before the vehicle turned off onto Eric street which is the main thoroughfare over the rail line into Cottesloe where Julies car was discovered opposite Forrest st, Cottesloe inside the breakwall.

 

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'She accepted a lift and never seen again': Unsolved murder of teen Kerry Turner

Did Kerry Turner know her murderer?

Kery got in the back seat implying people were sitting in the front seat.

But did Kerry recognise a face she had seen just prior at Pinnochios?

Had someone been through a brief familiarisation inside the nightclub with Kerry?

Maybe even just a wink and a smile at the bar to this just turned 18 year old on her first legal club night out?

Her older brother hot-shotted some 6 years earlier.

A man who killed Vanessa Devlin days before Vanessa Devlin appeared in court over heroin trafficking charges more than likely giving up Mr Big claims his murder was a random incident.
This man owned a similar looking vehicle.
These vehicles were popular because they were high power to weight ratio cheap second-hand vehicles, at some point with an element of cult popularity.
A handful of 6 cylinder models were used by police. #turner

 

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Police believe Julies car was driven down the surf club ramp, off the wall into the ocean.

This may have been to destroy DNA and disguise any prior dents aqcuired when Julie was probably run off the road a second time.

It suggests a level of premeditated planning. #cutler

 

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Cars featured in the crimes such as Kerry Turners and Devlins murder were sometimes fitted with a turbo and other parts potentially from parts scrap yards like David Birnies workplace.
Turbos made these inexpensive second-hand vehicles faster than police chase cars.
James Tilbury was sentenced for Devlins murder.

 

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The persons name who was charged and imprisoned with Kerry Turners brothers hotshot has disappeared off the internet.
Keep your eyes peeled.

In 1985 their son Jamie, 18, died after being injected with a lethal cocktail of drugs by another man who was later jailed for manslaughter.

Six years to the day after that tragedy, the body of the Turners’ youngest daughter Kerry, also 18, was found in bush near Canning Dam — the victim of a brutal murder that has never been solved.

Time fails to dull pain of murder

 

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Kerry, 18, didn’t have enough money to take a taxi all the way home to Bickley so the cabbie dropped her outside an all-night cafe in East Victoria Park.

Aussie girl hitched a ride, never came home

Bickley is north of where Kerry was found at Canning dam.

Bickley, Western Australia 6076
Google Maps

 

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We remain hopeful and we know that there are people that know something.

Perth Acting Superintendent Peter Branchi said police believed there were people who knew what happened to Kerry and urged them to call Crime Stoppers.

“Over time allegiances change, people change and circumstances change, and someone who may have felt intimidated or uncomfortable sharing information with police back in the 1990s may now be in a position to do so,” he said.

(See above link source)

 

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Julie had a car waiting outside Parmelia Hotel staff party which she had to store her uniform yet the Parmelia uniform was found at Kings Kebabs.

Which begs the question, why would a perpetrator choose Kings Kebabs (Centre Arcade?) to leave Julies uniform?

Only a few Parmelia champagne flutes were found in Julies car.

A black evening dress might be something you wear to Clouds nightclub Sheraton Hotel or the Casino.

Julies car was parked outside the staff party at the hotel.

Logically Julie should have had these items in her car but there were no items found.

Instead, the Parmelia uniform was left under a table at King Kebabs.

Julies handbag never found.

Julie had been followed from her workplace before down Stirling highway.

Had someone waited in the car this time via the back car door that hadn't locked?

 

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With the call from the girl on telephone saying she wants be left alone in the case of Julie Cutler, I do wonder if the perpetrators MO has been in some instances to fake the girls disappearance?
Some users have alluded to Julie trying to disappear.
Police have always claimed it a murder.

Is this the MO a perpetrator or perpetrators in faking the girls disappearance?

 

[petedavo.au]

With the call from the girl on telephone saying she wants be left alone in the case of Julie Cutler, I do wonder if the perpetrators MO has been in some instances to fake the girls disappearance?
Some users have alluded to Julie trying to disappear.
Police have always claimed it a murder.

Is this the MO a perpetrator or perpetrators in faking the girls disappearance?

Why do you think it is "girls", rather than girl's? Multiple, rather than singular?

 

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Why do you think it is "girls", rather than girl's? Multiple, rather than singular?

Very simply poor grammar @petedavo.au . I often don't proof read, even then if I dont have glasses typing on device grammar is horrible.
Don't expect great grammar. It soon vanishes into the ether. Im not that enthused and it all takes time.

It was just Cutler police received a call about asking to be left alone.
I do wonder if this is an m.o. of a perpetrator?
A perp abducting and disappearing girls and making it look like the girls disappeared themself.

 

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It would be nice to know where Kerry Turner was found exactly.
A 'brutal' murder.