GUILTY Australia - Robert, 66, & Cheryl Adamson, 60, murdered, Murrumbeena, Vic, 19 Feb 2014

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I'm troubled by certain aspects of this case. I don't know about the rest of you, but the issue of the guns sent my hinky metre off the charts. For those that are non local, owning a firearm in Australia is highly unusual. Gun owners in Australia are either members of sports shooting clubs, or are farmers. Even owning one gun raises eyebrows if you do not fall into one of those catagories. But owning TEN guns?! Unheard of. It's possible that he was a collector, I suppose. But why do I still feel uneasy about this? He was an accountant, living in suburbia. Am I missing something?!
 
madamehdivision said:
I'm troubled by certain aspects of this case. I don't know about the rest of you, but the issue of the guns sent my hinky metre off the charts. For those that are non local, owning a firearm in Australia is highly unusual. Gun owners in Australia are either members of sports shooting clubs, or are farmers. Even owning one gun raises eyebrows if you do not fall into one of those catagories. But owning TEN guns?! Unheard of. It's possible that he was a collector, I suppose. But why do I still feel uneasy about this? He was an accountant, living in suburbia. Am I missing something?!
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That's true, madameh!!:seeya: I couldn't put my finger on why I felt so uneasy about the guns. But yes, that IS highly unusual in Australia. Especially for a suburban accountant, as you say!!
 
The 20 biggest gun owners in the state are sitting on 1625 firearms, according to Victoria Police figures.
Reasons given to police for needing the personal caches - which in one case included a cannon - were hunting, farming and sports shooting.
Under Victorian legislation, police approve new gun licences as long as the applicant can give a genuine reason why they need another firearm.

In April, police said more than 100 firearms had been stolen in 41 burglaries.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...ockpile-firearms/story-fni0fee2-1226658042857

I dont find the amount of guns the Adamsons had odd. sorry
 
What I find odd is that the son's car is being towed for forensic analysis yet the parents were found in the back of the house. So what has the car to do with that? Was the car parked in the back and somehow got evidence on it?
 
Elainera said:
What I find odd is that the son's car is being towed for forensic analysis yet the parents were found in the back of the house. So what has the car to do with that? Was the car parked in the back and somehow got evidence on it?
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Better safe than sorry I guess, you never know where evidence will be found.
 
Xantara said:
Exactly. Why not give the cats to the son then? ...
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Maybe the son can't take the cats where he is staying? That didn't strike me as too weird ..

Now his car being towed is kinda weird to me..
 
Plumeria5 said:
From the above link:

"Reports emerged on Thursday night the couple had been having a dispute with a neighbour about a barking dog." Hmmm...would a neighbor kill a couple over a dispute like that?
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That's interesting about the dispute with a neighbour.

Perhaps the neighbour just tipped over and exploded in rage. Maybe the tension has built and built over time and then something triggered them to explode. (Just a random theory...but it has happened before)

And yes, I too wonder if it's the same neighbour who is now talking to the press.......
 
Elainera said:
What I find odd is that the son's car is being towed for forensic analysis yet the parents were found in the back of the house. So what has the car to do with that? Was the car parked in the back and somehow got evidence on it?
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Back a page or so I posted the street view of the house. If you take the street around the corner (the house is on a corner) I think you will see the drive is in the back and there is a gate so the car could have been parked in back of the house.
 
Plumeria5 said:
Interesting. I wonder if Ted Fentiman is the same neighbor that the Adamsons had a dispute with over a barking dog?
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Mr Fentiman speaks about the tragedy in this video - he's known the Adamsons for about 40 years and looks to be imo quite elderly.

Ted Fentiman, who has lived next door to the Adamsons for about 40 years, said he was "at a loss to imagine who would do this thing".
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Video: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/m...ll-at-large-20140220-331v5.html#ixzz2tvjLcp30
 
madamehdivision said:
I'm troubled by certain aspects of this case. I don't know about the rest of you, but the issue of the guns sent my hinky metre off the charts. For those that are non local, owning a firearm in Australia is highly unusual. Gun owners in Australia are either members of sports shooting clubs, or are farmers. Even owning one gun raises eyebrows if you do not fall into one of those catagories. But owning TEN guns?! Unheard of. It's possible that he was a collector, I suppose. But why do I still feel uneasy about this? He was an accountant, living in suburbia. Am I missing something?!
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See I don't find 10 guns odd, going off the pictures of them in bags they may be rifle type guns. Where I live hunting is massive, lots of deer in the hills and people coming out here from Melbourne by the 4x4 load. Camping and hunting is a legitimate weekend 'sport', I've seen camps with 4&5 4x4's with caravans and camper trailers and masses of people hanging around in their camo gear waiting to head out to hunt for the night. It's quite the scene! Personally not my cup of tea, but we do see a lot of it here.
But hunting is the only reason that I'd find his 10 guns to be OK given where he lives, I can't imagine another reason that I'd not find odd.

This case reminds me of one from last year near Wangaratta VIC, I'll go find a link and post it.
 
Ok, call me sheltered and naive. I'm a City girl, so hunting and stuff is foreign to me. The amount of gun violence here in the streets of Sydney at the moment is extraordinarily bad, so my outlook may be slightly skewed.
 
I live locally and have a connection to the school where Cheryl worked. It has been such a shock to our school community, impossible to comprehend.
I don't think there is anything odd about the staff members going to check on her on the Wednesday. Ordinarily teachers call in sick so that relief teachers can be arranged. Otherwise you'd end up with a class of children sitting there at 8.30 am with no teacher. It would rarely, if ever, happen that a teacher just didn't turn up, i imagine a missed alarm or car trouble might be the only exceptions. I imagine her colleagues tried to contact her by phone with no success through the morning. I think one or two colleagues then went to the home during lunch period. The home is about most 10 minutes away from the school.
How horrific for her colleagues to find Cheryl and her husband like that!
I think it's relevant that the police have not issues any warnings to local residents as you might expect if they suspected it was a random attack.
I wonder if they are watching and waiting for their suspect to crack or reveal themselves by their actions in the days ahead?
I wish the police well, such a tough job and so important.
 
madamehdivision said:
Ok, call me sheltered and naive. I'm a City girl, so hunting and stuff is foreign to me. The amount of gun violence here in the streets of Sydney at the moment is extraordinarily bad, so my outlook may be slightly skewed.
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Oh it's a whole different world... I'd not have believed it until I moved here! But we're talking fairly different guns too. In cities the main guns I'm assuming, would be hand pistols (carried inconspicuously by far too many), sawn off shotguns (for robberies etc) and then the really scary illegal firearms that you hear about in big raids. I really don't know much sorry LOL, that's all quite vague and MOO.
The type of rifles used for hunting would be too big and bulky to lug around and use for armed robberies etc, so they would only be wanted by fellow hunters at a guess?

It does however remind me of living in Canberra about 15yrs ago and the bouncers at nightclubs saw a frightening number of people carrying guns! Apparently they'd often feel them when escorting people off premises and the like, those people didn't tend to get roughed up obviously!!
 
So, this begs the question, Humdinger. What types of guns did he own? Did he own a bit of everything? Was he a collector? Or did he just own hunting rifles or sporting "air shooting" rifles? Let us ponder.
 
&#8220;We&#8217;ve just got to work through the evidence as best we can and take action when the evidence indicates that offences have been committed,&#8221; Mr Lay told 3AW on Thursday.
&#8220;Sometimes these take years to solve, and you&#8217;ll see that from time to time, that we&#8217;ll be charging people from 10 or 15 years ago.&#8221;

Isn't this an odd comment from Police Chief Commissioner Ken Lay?
Gosh it's only been three days! But maybe he's sending a message to the killer?



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...na-double-killer/story-fni0fee2-1226833168993
 
madamehdivision said:
So, this begs the question, Humdinger. What types of guns did he own? Did he own a bit of everything? Was he a collector? Or did he just own hunting rifles or sporting "air shooting" rifles? Let us ponder.
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Excellent question... I wonder if we'll ever know? Amee's link below gives a tad more info.

Amee said:
The guns, mostly in cases and long-armed, were taken away by police about 2.15pm on Thursday.
On Thursday afternoon, a police spokeswoman said the firearms were registered to Mr Adamson and were not part of the homicide investigation

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/m...ll-at-large-20140220-331v5.html#ixzz2tvxo65HB
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So 'long armed' that would indicate rifle or shotgun wouldn't it? I could guess that those in cases are used and those that aren't might either be smaller hand guns or older guns that just live in the gun cabinet but never get used.

One reason for 10 guns could be that once you've got a registered gun you can't just 'throw it out' or give it away if you no longer want it or if it no longer works (mechanisms can break or seize and barrels can bend and distort). You need to either hand it in to police for it to be destroyed or transfer the ownership to another licensed person. So I'd think that it would be easier for most people to just keep it in the back of the gun cabinet thinking that one day you might do something with it? All MOO of course.

Another story...
Many years ago we had a knock on the door late ish one night, I open it to see a police officer who then asked for my husband. It turns out that the guns that he had given to a mate years before, that were now living in a different state, had never been properly transferred. So it showed up in the police system that my hubby had possession of 3 guns and he no longer held a current gun license. This was not the case, but the officer had to act on the info he had. It all ended well and his mate took the guns to his local police station the next day and they updated the ownership etc and apparently that can happen between states as the systems don't interface correctly or something similar... Point of my random story being, once you've got guns, you've got to follow all the rules of gun ownership or face heavy penalties. We were fortunate in that we lived in a very small town, had we been in a city, there would have been more than 1 police officer turning up and we wouldn't have got off without a fine etc.
 
Bazinga said:
I live locally and have a connection to the school where Cheryl worked. It has been such a shock to our school community, impossible to comprehend.
I don't think there is anything odd about the staff members going to check on her on the Wednesday. Ordinarily teachers call in sick so that relief teachers can be arranged. Otherwise you'd end up with a class of children sitting there at 8.30 am with no teacher. It would rarely, if ever, happen that a teacher just didn't turn up, i imagine a missed alarm or car trouble might be the only exceptions. I imagine her colleagues tried to contact her by phone with no success through the morning. I think one or two colleagues then went to the home during lunch period. The home is about most 10 minutes away from the school.
How horrific for her colleagues to find Cheryl and her husband like that!
I think it's relevant that the police have not issues any warnings to local residents as you might expect if they suspected it was a random attack.
I wonder if they are watching and waiting for their suspect to crack or reveal themselves by their actions in the days ahead?
I wish the police well, such a tough job and so important.
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Thank you Bazinga for posting on here :seeya:.

I'm so sorry for your community. Sending much love your way.....
 
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