Australia - Russell Hill & Carol Clay Murdered While Camping - Wonnangatta Valley, 2020 #8

[emirates1957]

The loud music is a weird detail. I don’t reckon you’d risk including it unless loud music had played at some point, because Lynn knew he had seen other folk around. But the fact that Lynn couldn’t say what the music was made me suspicious, he just said it was “the most annoying” music he could think of.Theres no way he wouldn’t remember. How did he play it with no phone reception? Did he have it downloaded in which case his phone would record the song; or does he still have a CD player ?!

Someone (I forget who sorry!) wondered if it might have been R &C who played the music. And GL just incorporated it into his story.

I also agree with the suggestion that it was played to mask other bad behaviour and s cg over an element of surprise.

Pretty sure I read he grew up in NSW then joined the cadets

Just wondering Sir_Loin….as it was mentioned GL was tight with $$ any idea how much the cache of guns/rifles would be worth?

 

[SouthAussie]

Or he may have changed his name after he hit the headlines for some bad act when he was younger. That wouldn't surprise me. After all, we do know that he changed his car colour.

I guess my only thought about that is that he likely would not have got into the airforce, or got a pilot's license, if that was the case.

Apparently, name changes are lodged with the Births, Deaths, and Marriages register - so it is a permanent record. And you don't change your tax file number, just the name is changed on the tax file number.

Law enforcement, govt bodies (like CASA), and courts can access the name change record. But the public cannot.
So, if he had committed some heinous crime and then changed his name, when younger, that should have interfered with him gaining or retaining a pilots license.

(As per Quora)

imo

 

[SouthAussie]

You can be a member of those clubs and not hunt. The lever actions are not hunting rifles per se more for larpers who join those clubs specifically. Same with the pistols, he needs to be part of club to own them and I’m pretty sure needs to be registered for competitions.

As for the SP25 TAC by Oceania that’s not a semiautomatic. It’s a straight pull bolt action centre fire rifle. I also don’t see on the list his Ruger American rifle that he was hunting with on the day. Where did you get this list if you don’t mind me asking?

The list is on another subject-matter site called enoughgun.com.

Evidently, someone has access to the National Firearms Register.

imo

 

[Cliff Hardy]

I guess my only thought about that is that he likely would not have got into the airforce, or got a pilot's license, if that was the case.

Apparently, name changes are lodged with the Births, Deaths, and Marriages register - so it is a permanent record. And you don't change your tax file number, just the name is changed on the tax file number.

Law enforcement, govt bodies (like CASA), and courts can access the name change record. But the public cannot.
So, if he had committed some heinous crime and then changed his name, when younger, that should have interfered with him gaining or retaining a pilots license.

(As per Quora)

imo

Agreed and ASIC cards, which you need to have to get onto airport runways and to fly aeroplanes, are hard to get. They are very thorough in their issuing screening and a police check is part of the process. The cards need to be updated every 2 years. So there is an ongoing scrutiny of card holders.

 

[drsleuth]

Roughly, what kind of wage would GL have been on?

 

[drsleuth]

Just wondering Sir_Loin….as it was mentioned GL was tight with $$ any idea how much the cache of guns/rifles would be worth?

He said one was $700 in this interview

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/victoria/full-interview-high-country-killer-greg-lynns-police-interview-has-been-released/video/f5aa64c9cb5af9e412d1972d991177dc

 

[SouthAussie]

Roughly, what kind of wage would GL have been on?

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That is not as much as I thought it would be, even for a first year starting out

 

[emirates1957]

That is not as much as I thought it would be, even for a first year starting out

An Court he mentioned he was on $280K as a Check n Trainer.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

An Court he mentioned he was on $280K as a Check n Trainer.

Decent coin but probably around what I would have expected.

 

[AussieIan]

Agreed and ASIC cards, which you need to have to get onto airport runways and to fly aeroplanes, are hard to get. They are very thorough in their issuing screening and a police check is part of the process. The cards need to be updated every 2 years. So there is an ongoing scrutiny of card holders.

Not really, I had an MSIC for years working offshore and there's plenty of dodgy as people working with them. You don't even supply your fingerprints for MSIC/ASIC.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Not really, I had an MSIC for years working offshore and there's plenty of dodgy as people working with them. You don't even supply your fingerprints for MSIC/ASIC.

I'm not familiar with the MSIC marine card but ASICs are not easy to get. I've had ASICs for about 25 years and it is a pain in the arse process every 2 years when you renew them.

 

[AussieIan]

I'm not familiar with the MSIC marine card but ASICs are not easy to get. I've had ASICs for about 25 years and it is a pain in the arse process every 2 years when you renew them.

They have the same requirements, I had to provide more to get my security licence to stand at a nightclub door than I did for my MSIC.

It still surprises me they don't take fingerprints for ASIC/MSIC. It should be more secure. Some very organized drug importation is run through baggage handlers who all have their ASIC.

What kind of work did you do?

 

[Cliff Hardy]

They have the same requirements, I had to provide more to get my security licence to stand at a nightclub door than I did for my MSIC.

It still surprises me they don't take fingerprints for ASIC/MSIC. It should be more secure. Some very organized drug importation is run through baggage handlers who all have their ASIC.

What kind of work did you do?

Not many jobs require you to supply fingerprints. Police being a notable exception. Not even passports require your fingerprints.

Most pilots, certainly international flyers, require red ASICs. That's what we have and by design they are not easy to get or renew.

There are others here who either hold ASICs or have in the past and I'm sure they will have had the same pain in the arse experience getting them and renewing them. @emirates1957 can probably vouch for that.

 

[AussieIan]

Not many jobs require you to supply fingerprints. Police being an exception. Not even passports require your fingerprints.

Most pilots, certainly international flyers, require red ASICs. That's what we have and by design they are not easy to get or renew. There are others here who either hold ASICs or have in the past and I'm sure they will have had the same pain in the arse experience getting them and renewing them.

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I dunno, I didn't think it was that complicated. Fill in the form, show ID, send form, wait. Maybe they've made it easier since you had it? I have to do more on my end to renew my security licence and I just realized its twice as expensive too. What a rip.

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Anyway, not trying to argue, I just thought the process fairly normal for renewing security licences.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

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I dunno, I didn't think it was that complicated. Fill in the form, show ID, send form, wait. Maybe they've made it easier since you had it? I have to do more on my end to renew my security licence and I just realized its twice as expensive too. What a rip.

​

Renewal process:

1. Complete the online form​

You will need to provide information such as personal and contact details, 10 years of residential address history, operational need, and employer details.

2. Verify your identity​

You will need to show a minimum of three identification documents (one from Category A, B and C) from the list of acceptable documents.

3. Lodge your application​

Lodge your application form at 370+ selected Australia Post outlets throughout Australia or at our office in Perth CBD.

4. Receive your ASIC in 2-3 weeks*​

Once we have received approval from AusCheck, your ASIC card will be printed and be posted (to you or your employer) via registered post or will available for pickup from our office.

5. Return your expired ASIC​

Once your ASIC card has expired, you must return it to your issuing body within 30 days.


Anyway, not trying to argue, I just thought the process fairly normal for renewing security licences.

There are more steps involved in getting our red ASICs - including a letter from your employer stating the purpose for you needing it and how you intend using it - but it's all on-line and I'm not going to waste any more time discussing it.

 

[Kemug]

I guess my only thought about that is that he likely would not have got into the airforce, or got a pilot's license, if that was the case.

Apparently, name changes are lodged with the Births, Deaths, and Marriages register - so it is a permanent record. And you don't change your tax file number, just the name is changed on the tax file number.

Law enforcement, govt bodies (like CASA), and courts can access the name change record. But the public cannot.
So, if he had committed some heinous crime and then changed his name, when younger, that should have interfered with him gaining or retaining a pilots license.

(As per Quora)

imo

You're probably right. However I do have a friend who changed his name and moved to the other side of the country. Not because of anything he had done, but because of something his brother had done. It was a reasonably distinctive surname, and headlines everywhere.

 

[Kemug]

Plus name changes can still be done "by usage" I believe.

 

[JudgeJudi]

You can be a member of those clubs and not hunt. The lever actions are not hunting rifles per se more for larpers who join those clubs specifically. Same with the pistols, he needs to be part of club to own them and I’m pretty sure needs to be registered for competitions.

As for the SP25 TAC by Oceania that’s not a semiautomatic. It’s a straight pull bolt action centre fire rifle. I also don’t see on the list his Ruger American rifle that he was hunting with on the day. Where did you get this list if you don’t mind me asking?

Link for the firearms:

Jetstar pilot 'talked to himself about missing campers' deaths'

Jetstar pilot Greg Lynn was allegedly caught on tape talking to himself about the deaths of elderly campers Russell Hill and Carol Clay - before he was accused of their murders.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[JudgeJudi]

An Court he mentioned he was on $280K as a Check n Trainer.

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