Australia - Russell Hill & Carol Clay Murdered While Camping - Wonnangatta Valley, 2020 #9

[drsleuth]

"This cannot be a case that falls into the worst category." - Dermot Dann

Only someone getting paid to represent the murderer in question could possibly come out with a statement like that.

Maybe someone should ask him to give an example of what is worse

 

[drsleuth]

As it happened: Prosecutor pushes for life sentence in Greg Lynn pre-sentence hearing; defence drops highly unusual legal manoeuvre

Greg Lynn’s defence team will no longer pursue a stay on the case but noted that the guilty verdict’s long-term future was “precarious.”

www.theage.com.au

1.08pm

‘Gravely troubled’ by the jury verdict: Defence​

By Erin Pearson​

Defence barrister Dermot Dann, KC, said they remained “gravely troubled” by the guilty jury verdict and raised the possibility of it being an unsafe result, with the case likely bound for the Court of Appeal.
“Apart from his version, there is no other version. We just have Mr Lynn’s version,” he told the pre-sentence hearing.

BBM : No *advertiser censored* Sherlock, the one's who could tell another version were obliterated by your client sir

ETA
“Your honour has to sentence this man on the basis that there is no motive that’s been established.”

The court is now breaking for lunch. We will resume our live coverage when the hearing begins again at 2pm.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

As it happened: Prosecutor pushes for life sentence in Greg Lynn pre-sentence hearing; defence drops highly unusual legal manoeuvre

Greg Lynn’s defence team will no longer pursue a stay on the case but noted that the guilty verdict’s long-term future was “precarious.”

www.theage.com.au

1.08pm

‘Gravely troubled’ by the jury verdict: Defence​

By Erin Pearson​

Defence barrister Dermot Dann, KC, said they remained “gravely troubled” by the guilty jury verdict and raised the possibility of it being an unsafe result, with the case likely bound for the Court of Appeal.
“Apart from his version, there is no other version. We just have Mr Lynn’s version,” he told the pre-sentence hearing.

BBM : No *advertiser censored* Sherlock, the one's who could tell another version were obliterated by your client sir

ETA
“Your honour has to sentence this man on the basis that there is no motive that’s been established.”

The court is now breaking for lunch. We will resume our live coverage when the hearing begins again at 2pm.

Lynn not only saw to it that there were no other accounts of what took place, he also destroyed every trace of the evidence of what took place.

Yet the murder Greg Lynn committed 'doesn't fall into the worst category?' - oh, please!!

 

[Cliff Hardy]

“Your honour has to sentence this man on the basis that there is no motive that’s been established” - Dermott Dan.

Lynn told us himself he was worried about losing his ASIC card and therefore his ability to fly, and the memberships to his various clubs.

If they weren't motives, what were they and why did he mentioned them????

 

[drsleuth]

Another other case I can think of as bad as this is Stephanie Scott. Vincent Stanford pleaded guilty & got life

 

[JLZ]

“Your honour has to sentence this man on the basis that there is no motive that’s been established” - Dermott Dan.

Lynn told us himself he was worried about losing his ASIC card and therefore his ability to fly, and the memberships to his various clubs.

If they weren't motives, what were they and why did he mentioned them????

If there was no motive, doesn't that push it into a 'worser' category?

 

[drsleuth]

If there was no motive, doesn't that push it into a 'worser' category?

My guess, is he is saying there is no motive, as remember, it was all one big accident. A very unfortunate incident, that GL would rather forget & just move on with his life......nothing to see here....

 

[JLZ]

My guess, is he is saying there is no motive, as remember, it was all one big accident. A very unfortunate incident, that GL would rather forget & just move on with his life......nothing to see here....

Well, the judge isn't going to sentence on the basis that the jury was wrong about the verdict.

 

[drsleuth]

It's a long lunch break

 

[changintimes]

Final snub for family of camper killed in knifefight with ex-pilot

The long suffering family of dead camper Russell Hill has been forbidden from facing former Jetstar pilot Greg Lynn in court.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Here is a hint of what appeal will launched on.

It was a submission strongly rejected by Lynn's barrister Dermot Dann, KC.

Mr Dann told Justice Croucher his client maintained his innocence and intended to appeal his conviction as soon as possible.

The court heard Mr Dann believed the jury had made a mistake in coming to its guilty verdict on Ms Clay.

The experienced barrister described their process in coming to that conclusion as a 'forbidden pathway' that had gone against Justice Croucher's own directions to them toward the end of the trial.

Mr Dann said the jury had been directed that Lynn's only motive for killing Ms Clay would have been to cover-up the murder of Mr Hill, which they found him not guilty of committing.

 

[SouthAussie]

And as we all know, no motive needs to be presented or established. That's the law. Which Mr Dann well knows.

Jury’s motive query in missing campers murder trial

The jury in the trial of Gregory Lynn have asked the judge what happens if they can’t reach a unanimous verdict.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Bats]

The court heard Mr Dann believed the jury had made a mistake in coming to its guilty verdict on Ms Clay.

The experienced barrister described their process in coming to that conclusion as a 'forbidden pathway' that had gone against Justice Croucher's own directions to them toward the end of the trial.

Mr Dann said the jury had been directed that Lynn's only motive for killing Ms Clay would have been to cover-up the murder of Mr Hill, which they found him not guilty of committing.

The verdict of "Not guilty" for the death of Russell, does not necessarily mean the jury believed Russell wasn't murdered.

IMO, the jury most probably DID believe Russell was murdered.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Dann is really clutching at straws playing the 'no motive' card when Justice Croucher more than once instructed the jury that the prosecution did not have to establish any motive to prove an alleged murder or murders took place.

 

[SouthAussie]

Dann is really clutching at straws playing the 'no motive card' when Justice Croucher more than once instructed the jury that the prosecution did not have to establish any motive to prove an alleged murder or murders took place.

Dann doesn't care. He is getting paid, whether or not he loses his pre-sentence appeal to the judge.

He might have told his client a thousand times that there does not need to be a motive.

imo

 

[SouthAussie]

The hearing has resumed (56 minutes ago) ... Dann is apparently making case law submissions for 'similar crimes'.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/murdered-campers-family-to-come-facetoface-with-killer-for-first-time-since-verdict/live-coverage/41081cc27144c838a3b069d100206347?amp#scroll-to-27968886

 

[drsleuth]

‘He burned her beyond all possible recognition’: life sentence sought for Greg Lynn as murdered camper’s daughter addresses court

Prosecutor says disposal of bodies must be considered when sentencing former Jetstar pilot over Carol Clay’s murder in the Wonnangatta Valley

www.theguardian.com

Prosecutor says disposal of bodies must be considered when sentencing former Jetstar pilot over Carol Clay’s murder in the Wonnangatta Valley

He told the court that Lynn’s disposal and burning of the remains of Hill and Clay were aggravating factors that must be considered by justice Michael Croucher in his sentencing.

snip

The defence was a “very long way apart” from the prosecution’s calls for a life sentence, he said.

He said the defence remained “gravely troubled” by the verdict, flagging it could be appealed.

Dann said a sentence would need to be considered on the basis that no motive had been established.

 

[JLZ]

Dann said a sentence would need to be considered on the basis that no motive had been established.

So, he's saying his client is just the sort of person who goes around killing people for no reason at all? Therefore, he should be out on the streets in a couple of years, where he can do it again because the sun is shining or whatever?

 

[SouthAussie]

Now Dann is going through Lynn's background. (I am paraphrasing because I can't tell if it is paywalled for some)

Grew up in Blue Mountains, then family moved to Lismore, accepted into engineering course at Sydney Uni, but decided he wanted to be a pilot so joined RAAF.
Afflicted with severe motion sickness.
Treatment worked but he failed an 'instrumental test', so went to be a commercial pilot.

Has done charity work, church attendance, and fostered children (with 1st wife).
Sponsored a child in India, and they travelled to India to buy the boy's family a house.

Two sons with 1st wife, a daughter with 'another woman', one son with present wife.

His current family's future is uncertain as they don't know if they will have to vacate their property.

Prison is difficult, he was assaulted, then went on to be in an isolation situation in a protection unit.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/murdered-campers-family-to-come-facetoface-with-killer-for-first-time-since-verdict/live-coverage/41081cc27144c838a3b069d100206347?amp#scroll-to-27968886

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Surely Dann is taking the p.ss :

'The jury’s verdict did not reveal how much of his client’s version of events they had rejected.'

It's not the jury's job to convey anything more than their verdict. Did he expect the jury foreman to make an Australian law precedent by providing a detailed explanation to the court as to how they came about their verdict??

 

[Sher Lock]

Hmm. I'm not sure how GL's background has any standing on this case so why has it been brought up in court.
It appears that only the 'supposed good things' have been mentioned but what about the 'not so good things' he's done, such as the treatment of his ex wife!

He's committed atrocities that would sicken even the most hardened murderer and that's what he's been tried for.

I notice that his counsel haven't called upon any of his friends or family to give a character statement.

MOO.