Australia - Siege/Ambush at Remote Property - 6 Dead Including 2 Police/Neighbor - Wieambilla (Queensland)

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“Sgt Werner Crous told the inquest he assumed command upon arriving at the command post and decided the situation “needed to be resolved as quickly as possible”.

“On the way there I thought to myself that I need four people to form a team to go to where these officers are,” Crous said.

“I didn’t think many more people would put up their hand knowing what the job was entailing.

“When I showed up at the incident site there were many people there, instead of just getting four people willing to enter this dangerous situation I got four carloads full of people.”

www.theguardian.com

‘Running for her life’: how police rescued trapped officer from Wieambilla ambush

Rescue team members tell inquest they devised a code to guide Const Keely Brough to safety, drawing gunfire as they blocked property entrance
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What a brave bunch! Such camaraderie! It is the Aussie way!!
 
drsleuth said:
BBM : But apparently there were no red flags ( even after Nathaniel , just up & vanishing, dumping weapons at the border & buying ammunition after that ) these junior police were sent to arrest him. Would they have thought to take a rifle? ( clearly Officer Arnold didn't think so )

I think serious questions need to be asked about that. Local cops knew about traps being set on "blocks" out that way.

What info did NSWPF have about the Train's & was that shared or able to be shared with QLD police??
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Very good points drsleuth. Yes - the fact that various properties in "the blocks" area were "equipped" with potentially deadly booby-traps is incredibly alarming - (MAJOR red flags right there IMO) - that this was common knowledge among local police causes me to wonder about a couple of things.

As far as I'm aware, no mention has been made as to whether or not the Trains' property was known to be one of those booby-trapped. However, surely Nathaniel's dumping of firearms, and disappearance should have been cause for
concern regarding a visit to the property.

Being in the middle of nowhere, black spots all over the place causing radio communication problems, acreage properties with long driveways (100 metres or more, so plenty of potential spots for booby-traps and hides) - sounds like a renegade's dream if one were so inclined.

In rural areas, with police calling at properties with acreage, it seems quite incongruous for officers to be armed only with Glock pistols - ie maximum accuracy distance 15 metres. IMO in such an environment, it is surely obvious that if anyone wanted to cause harm to an officer, they'd likely not wait to be close enough for an officer to successful defend themselves with a pistol. Serious questions definitely required IMO.
 
SouthAussie said:
In the links that were posted earlier about him by @scapa (here) and in this link (below), Donald Day Jr sounds like a complete nutter. The FBI are holding him in an FBI facility in Tuscon.

The FBI arrested him in a Dairy Queen car park because they knew they would be subjected to what our Qld police were subjected to, if they tried to arrest him at his property.

BUT one of the links says he is only up for a max of 5 years for each of the charges against him ... two counts of making threats, illegal gun possession, and threatening FBI agents.

And one of the links says Day's lawyer says Day has stage 4 colon cancer. Day also thought he had brain cancer (undiagnosed) before that, and his wife cured him. :rolleyes:



For almost a year, Mr Day had been hiding behind a profile picture of Hannibal Lecter
(His) viewpoint that extremism researchers describe as "accelerationism"
Mr Day has previously likened the wind turbines to an "act of war"
"You can, in fact, go to any cemetery and register the bluetooth signals emanating from the graves of those who accepted the vaxx and who had succumbed to its effects," he said in one comment.

Inside the god-fearing and conspiratorial worldviews of Donald Day Jr
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Thank you. Thank you. Feel bad being lazy in this one. I had forgotten his new but def remembered he was nutters. Ill stay on top now!!
 
drsleuth said:

Video of Officer Kirk fleeing :(
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Really, really sad .... at first they are ambling along, chatting among themselves. Then obviously a whole bunch of video has been cut out - because Rachel and Matthew are 'not moving' - then Officer Kirk's terrifying moments.

As they are walking down that long driveway, at the start, they are just so unprepared for what is about to happen. :(
 
SouthAussie said:
Really, really sad .... at first they are ambling along, chatting among themselves. Then obviously a whole bunch of video has been cut out - because Rachel and Matthew are 'not moving' - then Officer Kirk's terrifying moments.

As they are walking down that long driveway, at the start, they are just so unprepared for what is about to happen. :(
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Yep.

So brave. I'm surprised at how calm in the situation they found themselves in. Getting vital info passed on , all while being rained on by bullets.

True heros & survivors.

I really impressed with how police QLD police handled this very difficult incident ( except for maybe sending them in the first place?)
 
SouthAussie said:
Really, really sad .... at first they are ambling along, chatting among themselves. Then obviously a whole bunch of video has been cut out - because Rachel and Matthew are 'not moving' - then Officer Kirk's terrifying moments.

As they are walking down that long driveway, at the start, they are just so unprepared for what is about to happen. :(
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It was a while back so I do forget specifics....
But was LE really aware of just how much danger was on that property?
It seems they were to a degree, because they did send in a number of officers, but should they have known to be more protected upon entering.
 
SouthAussie said:
Really, really sad .... at first they are ambling along, chatting among themselves. Then obviously a whole bunch of video has been cut out - because Rachel and Matthew are 'not moving' - then Officer Kirk's terrifying moments.

As they are walking down that long driveway, at the start, they are just so unprepared for what is about to happen. :(
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It was a while back so I do forget specifics....
But was LE really aware of just how much danger was on that property?
It seems they were to a degree, because they did send in a number of officers, but should they have known to be more protected upon entering.

WS is so sluggish this morning...
 
nhmemorymaker said:
It was a while back so I do forget specifics....
But was LE really aware of just how much danger was on that property?
It seems they were to a degree, because they did send in a number of officers, but should they have known to be more protected upon entering.
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In retrospect, they should have known. But we don't usually have people blowing the police away with firearms in Australia - so they were likely not expecting what they encountered.

Though they did have 4 officers go to the property, so they likely knew it was more than a one or two person task.
 
SouthAussie said:
In retrospect, they should have known. But we don't usually have people blowing the police away with firearms in Australia - so they were likely not expecting what they encountered.

Though they did have 4 officers go to the property, so they likely knew it was more than a one or two person task.
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I agree. It does seem that the allocation of four officers to this job, rather than two does suggest that it wasn't necessarily considered "routine". Alternatively, the allocation of four officers may reflect that it was considered an opportunity for the new police officers to observe "in the field" operations.

The irony in this situation though, is that, even if there'd been 10 (or more) officers allocated to this job, they would still be sitting ducks, and could have all been mown by high-powered rifles shot from a distance. The pistols with which they were armed would not be adequate to defend themselves.

Given the (apparently known) problem of black spots in the area which could (and did) cause a failure in police radio communications, all four police officers would have been killed were it not for officers Kirk and Keely using their own personal mobile phones to call for assistance.

I imagine that there are specific protocols in such scenarios, and I imagine that they were followed. I can't think of a way that the arrest of Nathaniel Train could be accomplished other than by a visit to the property, unless they made an arrest when he was in town, as occurred with their associate, in Arizona.

JMO

Kudos to the four officers, and everyone else involved in the successful extraction of officers Kirk and Keely.
Remarkable heroism in the face of terrifying and imminent danger.

RIP Alan Dare, and police officers Rachel McCrow and Matthew Arnold,
 
jjleroche said:
. I can't think of a way that the arrest of Nathaniel Train could be accomplished other than by a visit to the property, unless they made an arrest when he was in town, as occurred with their associate, in Arizona.
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And with Day's arrest at a Dairy Queen in AZ, the FBI had the benefit of hindsight. They already knew what happened to our officers.
 
drsleuth said:
Good old 'Red Tape' hindering operations :rolleyes:
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Along with 000 calls going to an unrelated part of the huge state of QLD ..
(1358kms away - Townsville to Toowoomba)

Mrs Dares 000 calls went to Townsville and from what I have read, Kelly’s 000 call went to Toowoomba … (both calling from the same road and neighbouring properties … )

It is constant problem with the system they have set up for 000 calls … communication errors are frequent for rural and remote areas about situations evolving … IMO

MOO
 
SLouTh said:
Along with 000 calls going to an unrelated part of the huge state of QLD ..
(1358kms away - Townsville to Toowoomba)

Mrs Dares 000 calls went to Townsville and from what I have read, Kelly’s 000 call went to Toowoomba … (both calling from the same road and neighbouring properties … )

It is constant problem with the system they have set up for 000 calls … communication errors are frequent for rural and remote areas about situations evolving … IMO

MOO
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I guess the calls just go to the first 000 operator available, no matter their location?
 
I've got this book to read, interested to read about the history of this lunatic mob.

www.wilkinsonpublishing.com.au

The Wieambilla Shootings - Wilkinson Publishing

Two survivors, three lost lives. The true story of a long-prepared ambush by religiously motivated conspiracy theorists. <br><br> Grappling with a dangerous conspiratorial worldview, Gareth, Nathaniel and Stacey Train carry out one of Australia’s most horrific ambush attacks. Disillusion...
www.wilkinsonpublishing.com.au www.wilkinsonpublishing.com.au
 
drsleuth said:
I guess the calls just go to the first 000 operator available, no matter their location?
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Yes they are all centralised …. (Saving $$$$) Which in my experience is sometimes not helpful when a situation is happening in a small town, away from the call Center location …

I think it would help emergency situations if 000 calls from a similar area went at least to the same regional areas … like in this case, to Toowoomba ….

Maybe the findings of the inquest can help with that ???

JMO
 
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