Australia - Siege/Ambush at Remote Property - 6 Dead Including 2 Police/Neighbor - Wieambilla (Queensland)

[drsleuth]

Train's wife is set to give evidence at the inquest on Thursday at the Brisbane Coroners Court. (Today)

Nathaniel Train's wife is expected to testify about her observations of the behaviour of Gareth, Stacey and Nathaniel Train in the years and months before the shootout.


The woman is due to testify in particular about the missing person report she made concerning Nathaniel Train in December 2022 and the days between that report and the shootings.

Killer's wife to testify at Wieambilla shooting inquest

A coroner investigating the shooting deaths of six people is due to hear from the estranged wife of...

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Oh dear, strength to her, this could be rough on x exam......

Wonder if we are getting closer to hearing from NSWPF??

 

[drsleuth]

Wieambilla inquest hears haunting final message to woman who reported Nathaniel Train missing

A woman close with Nathaniel, who made the missing person's report after not seeing him in person for 12 months, gives evidence at the Wieambilla shooting inquest.

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Wieambilla shooting inquest hears from woman who made missing person's report that led police to the property​

She made the missing person's report in early December 2022 after learning about Nathaniel's illegal border crossing, and said she had been told by a NSW police officer that they would treat it as "high risk."

Under cross examination, the woman said she was not asked by NSW police officers about whether Nathaniel or the persons he was believed to be with would pose a risk to any police officers.

Then, on the day of the shooting, less than two hours after the first fatal shots were fired, she received a text from Gareth.

"You sent people to kill us. Run," it read.

She reported the text to police.

 

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Gareth Train sent 'incredibly disturbing' emails before Wieambilla shootings

An associate of a man who killed two police officers with his brother at a Wieambilla property received &qu...

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Gareth Train sent 'incredibly disturbing' emails before police shootings​

An associate of a man who killed two police officers with his brother at a Wieambilla property received "incredibly disturbing" emails about law enforcement in the days before the shootings.

Queensland State Coroner Terry Ryan today heard the associate give evidence about the period when Nathaniel Train left for a camping trip 12 months that turned into a near-complete disappearance before the shootings.

The associate cannot be identified due to a court order handed down before the inquest began.
The associate said they had accessed Nathaniel Train's email account after his older brother Gareth, 47, had told them not to attempt to contact his sibling.
A barrister asked the associate about "incredibly disturbing" emails they saw in that account on December 10, 2022, written by Gareth Train threatening "graphic" consequences for continuing to report Nathaniel Train as missing.

"He had already expressed anger. I just thought he was a keyboard warrior," the associate said.
The associate had filed a missing persons report on December 5, 2022, almost a year after Nathaniel Train entered Queensland and had stopped taking his heart medication.
The associate forwarded the emails to the officer investigating Nathaniel Train's missing persons report on the weekend before the shootings, but they received an out-of-office automated reply.

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The associate said they had no prior knowledge of Gareth Train having multiple unlicensed firearms and knowledge of military tactics.

 

[SLouTh]

The associate forwarded the emails to the officer investigating Nathaniel Train's missing persons report on the weekend before the shootings, but they received an out-of-office automated reply.

BBM

The Courier Mail states these emails were sent on the morning the 12th ….

The witness said they passed those emails on to NSW police on the morning of December 12.

Paywalled for some

https://www.couriermail.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-qld/wieambilla-inquest-day-12-witness-reveals-the-moment-nathaniel-train-went-offgrid/news-story/c26a59031ce36f6c8c6c5e2c2ec7ba9a

Could it be possible that an “out of office reply” contributed to the major communication breakdown between NSW and Qld Police?

 

[drsleuth]

BBM

The Courier Mail states these emails were sent on the morning the 12th ….

The witness said they passed those emails on to NSW police on the morning of December 12.

Paywalled for some

https://www.couriermail.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-qld/wieambilla-inquest-day-12-witness-reveals-the-moment-nathaniel-train-went-offgrid/news-story/c26a59031ce36f6c8c6c5e2c2ec7ba9a

Could it be possible that an “out of office reply” contributed to the major communication breakdown between NSW and Qld Police?

Maybe more than 1 email was sent??

Lots of info in your article.

Hopefully a free article will pop up soon with the info

 

[drsleuth]

Wieambilla inquest: Why Nathaniel Train was reported missing​

A man who murdered two police officers had stopped contacting key people in his life in the months leading up to the horror ambush, an inquest has been told.

It wasn’t until a year later, the witness learnt, that Nathaniel had illegally crossed the Queensland border on December 17, 2021, during Covid restrictions and ditched several weapons he owned.

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When asked should Mr Train had been charged over carrying firearms, Constable Brownlee said it wasn’t necessary.

“Mr Train had minimal history,” he said.
He had a current weapons license to carry firearms.

However, the firearms that had been found by the farmer had a bit more of a bizarre history.

“One should be in a gun shop in Parramatta (but when I called they said they) gave the firearm back to Mr Train about 5 years prior,” constable Brownlee said.

“The other gun should have been in a police station in Mackay but they didn’t know where it was other than in Goondiwindi police station.”

Constable Brownlee said the second firearm had belonged to a person in far north Queensland but they’d moved to Portugal about 12 years beforehand according to his inquiries.

Nathaniel had previously worked in far north Queensland as a teacher.

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The witness told the inquest that they had been communicating through text, calls and email to Nathaniel up until May 30, 2022.

Their communication ceased because the witness said they wanted to protect their own mental health.

The inquest was told concerning emails sent from Gareth to others in the days prior were forwarded to NSW Police on December 12

The witness who knew Nathaniel told the inquest they received a text message from Gareth about 6pm on December 12 that read: “You sent people to kill us. Run.”

The witness said they immediately contacted police but had always thought Gareth was simply a “keyboard warrior” despite “highly derogatory abusive” communication from him in the past.

 

[drsleuth]

Wieambilla killer’s ‘incredibly disturbing’ emails sent to police before massacre, inquest hears

Close associate of Nathaniel Train tells Queensland coroner’s court they forwarded emails to NSW police hours before deadly shootings

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Wieambilla killer’s ‘incredibly disturbing’ emails sent to police before massacre, inquest hears​

Close associate of Nathaniel Train tells Queensland coroner’s court they forwarded emails to NSW police hours before deadly shootings

The emails were not passed on to Queensland police before they sent four officers to 251 Wains Rd, Wieambilla for a missing persons’ search, two of whom would be killed by Nathaniel, Gareth and Stacey Train, the court heard.

The close associate of Nathaniel Train, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, testified that on the morning of 12 December they forwarded four emails to NSW police which had been sent by Gareth from his brother Nathaniel’s email account on the previous two days.

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Lawyer Glenn Ferguson described them as “quite graphic in relation to what [would] happen to anyone attending” the rural property at Wains road. He also described them as “incredibly disturbing”.

The court heard that Aidan Train, Nathaniel’s son and the recipient of the emails, warned others about potential “hostile interactions” with Stacey and her husband, Gareth, if police attended the property, the court heard.

Ethical standards investigator Det Insp Sue Newton told the court multiple officers involved in the missing persons search told her they would have conducted it differently had the four emails been available to them. Junior officers said they would have escalated it to their superior.

 

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Strange behaviour of cop-killer in the weeks before brutal attack

A witness has revealed how Nathaniel Train's behaviour pivoted in the months leading up to killing two police officers alongside his brother and ex-wife.

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The witness, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, told the inquest the last time they saw Nathaniel was in December 2021.

Train told the witness that he was going camping and wanted to visit his adult children in Queensland.

It wasn't until a year later, the witness learnt, that Nathaniel had illegally crossed the Queensland border on December 17, 2021, during Covid restrictions and ditched several weapons he owned.

His car was also later abandoned after he'd driven through floodwater.

The witness said when they learnt this information, they became even more concerned about Nathaniel because he had never told them about the incident.

 

[drsleuth]

Madness and murder: how the Trains brought terror to Wieambilla

Inquest reveals how Gareth Train went from ‘keyboard warrior’ to killer, and radicalised his wife and brother

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Madness and murder: how the Trains brought terror to Wieambilla​

Inquest reveals how Gareth Train went from ‘keyboard warrior’ to killer, and radicalised his wife and brother

The influence of Donald Day Jr​

Associate professor Josh Roose testified that it was during the Covid-19 pandemic that Gareth’s descent into true radicalisation began.


He tried sovereign citizen ideas and contacted an anti-vaccine political party, but found them too boring and was again rejected.

Then, in 2020, he finally found answers, in an online meeting with an American calling himself Geronimo’s Bones.

“He starts to feel like that connection that he’s been looking for, all those boxes are ticked. He’s not only talking, in a conspiratorial sense, about the role of government, a corrupt, evil government behind the scenes, but also the End Times,” Roose said.

“In all the material that I’ve reviewed, that is the key moment.”

The man, Donald Day Jr, told him he needed to resist violently.

Crucially, Day, a charismatic and “eloquent” individual, treated him as an equal.

“It offered Gareth a sense of belonging that he had been searching for, and a sense of significance and status,” Roose said.

On 6 January 2021, Stacey and Nathaniel gathered at 251 Wains Road Wieambilla for an event they called “church”.

“It’s most likely that this was Gareth revealing the grand opus and how everything came together,” Roose said.


“World events, weather events, the worsening situation of the world, the various paranoid beliefs about Asio, monitoring, hacking, poisoning, chemtrails, people being abducted, being turned into non-humans … wearing meat suits, police and authority figures being agents of evil.”

He probably laid out his theory about the end of the world, Roose testified.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Madness and murder: how the Trains brought terror to Wieambilla

Inquest reveals how Gareth Train went from ‘keyboard warrior’ to killer, and radicalised his wife and brother

www.theguardian.com

Madness and murder: how the Trains brought terror to Wieambilla​

Inquest reveals how Gareth Train went from ‘keyboard warrior’ to killer, and radicalised his wife and brother

The influence of Donald Day Jr​

Associate professor Josh Roose testified that it was during the Covid-19 pandemic that Gareth’s descent into true radicalisation began.


He tried sovereign citizen ideas and contacted an anti-vaccine political party, but found them too boring and was again rejected.

Then, in 2020, he finally found answers, in an online meeting with an American calling himself Geronimo’s Bones.

“He starts to feel like that connection that he’s been looking for, all those boxes are ticked. He’s not only talking, in a conspiratorial sense, about the role of government, a corrupt, evil government behind the scenes, but also the End Times,” Roose said.

“In all the material that I’ve reviewed, that is the key moment.”

The man, Donald Day Jr, told him he needed to resist violently.

Crucially, Day, a charismatic and “eloquent” individual, treated him as an equal.

“It offered Gareth a sense of belonging that he had been searching for, and a sense of significance and status,” Roose said.

On 6 January 2021, Stacey and Nathaniel gathered at 251 Wains Road Wieambilla for an event they called “church”.

“It’s most likely that this was Gareth revealing the grand opus and how everything came together,” Roose said.


“World events, weather events, the worsening situation of the world, the various paranoid beliefs about Asio, monitoring, hacking, poisoning, chemtrails, people being abducted, being turned into non-humans … wearing meat suits, police and authority figures being agents of evil.”

He probably laid out his theory about the end of the world, Roose testified.

Gareth basically a poo bloke, loser, self esteem issues and a narcissist. Just a toxic human being. The only thing I wish for was that he had some level of consciousness being worm food.

 

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https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/crime-news/2024/08/19/wieambilla-coroner-queensland-terror

NSW cops to testify at Wieambilla inquest​

A coroner investigating the shooting deaths of six people in rural Queensland will hear evidence from NSW Police officers involved in one of the killers being reported missing in their state.

Acting Inspector Simon Thorpe will give evidence about his meeting with the close associate in regional NSW in November 2022 over procedures for reporting a person as missing.

 

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NSW cops to testify at Wieambilla shootings inquest

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NSW cops to testify at Wieambilla shootings inquest​

State Coroner Terry Ryan is due on Monday to hear testimony in Brisbane from three NSW officers about how they handled a missing persons report for Nathaniel Train.

Sergeant Grant Gannon is expected to testify about how he changed the "missing persons risk assessment" from "limited" to "high", due to Nathaniel Train's known cardiac condition.
Acting Inspector David Marr is due to give evidence about how he allocated the missing person report to a NSW detective for further investigation.

 

[australianwebsleuth]

For those outside Australia (USA), The untold story. The Trains had swallowed the same right wing propaganda spewed by media organisations like Fox News. There are also other less well recognised players in this space representing 'Hate speech'. In Australia it's called Sky News. Same owners as Fox News. Get the drift. Same nonsense. Spewing out fake news and conspiracy theories in order to manipulate people into believing nonsense for political power. In this case it had a profound effect on the innocent people who lost their lives.

The media needs to be accountable for their fake news. In my honest opinion they bear some responsibility for the deaths of those officers.

 

[drsleuth]

For those outside Australia (USA), The untold story. The Trains had swallowed the same right wing propaganda spewed by media organisations like Fox News. There are also other less well recognised players in this space representing 'Hate speech'. In Australia it's called Sky News. Same owners as Fox News. Get the drift. Same nonsense. Spewing out fake news and conspiracy theories in order to manipulate people into believing nonsense for political power. In this case it had a profound effect on the innocent people who lost their lives.

The media needs to be accountable for their fake news. In my honest opinion they bear some responsibility for the deaths of those officers.

Totally agree.

There is enough hate in the world already .........