Australia Australia - Suzanne Armstrong, 28, Susan Bartlett, 27, Collingwood, Vic, 10 Jan 1977

[Cliff Hardy]

The story of how they did it comes much later, after a conviction.

For all the details, we may have to wait for a book? As was the case with the Daniel Morcombe sting.

That book, aptly titled 'The Sting', is a great read incidentally.

 

[Sir_Loin]

For all the details, we may have to wait for a book? As was the case with the Daniel Morcombe sting.

That book, aptly titled 'The Sting', is a great read incidentally.

Unbelievable book. Huge amounts of detail.

Also a movie on Netflix loosely based on it called The Stranger

 

[KinseyFan]

I grew up in a similiar inner city suburb of Melbourne in the 70s. Raised by a single Mum. It somehow all feels so ‘close to home’. Being Melbournians, around in the 70s, we were horrified for the victims annd their families. And to find out the (then) age of the alleged offender is so hard to comprehend. I hope this leads to some form of answers for the dear ‘Sues’ families.

 

[NorthParade]

Unbelievable book. Huge amounts of detail.

Also a movie on Netflix loosely based on it called The Stranger

A very,very good film imo, but as bleak as you’d expect from the subject matter.

Very much hoping that justice is decisively done here, and greatly impressed by the doggedness of those in VicPol who’ve pursued the case over the years.

 

[Trooper]

His brother alleges he was lured to Rome for a property deal: ‘It was a trap’: Accused Easey Street killer ‘lured to Rome’ before arrest, family says

Link is paywalled, but from the article:

- One brother said he was lured by a property deal and that 'it was a trap'.
- Another brother said Perry had been approached by a Greek-Australian investor interested in buying one of the family's properties in Greece, and had invited Perry to Rome to discuss the deal. Said Perry met the 'investor' about 3 months ago.
- Commissioner of Border Police at the airport says they received an Interpol alert on Sept 18 - a day before the arrest - and began monitoring flights.

edit: removed direct quotes since it's paywalled

It is very hard for me to give up on the idea of rich sad lonely Greek Australian Widow stranded in Rome, needing help, and Perry being the only one capable..... but a property sting is just as neat, and probably somewhat cheaper.. the puzzle for me now that we know he had another brother in Athens, I think he lived with this brother?.. whatever, why did not Perry send this brother, to nail the deal down ? why risk it himself, he could have given the brother power of attorney to sign stuff, if needed...... maybe somewhere , somehow there is something luring only Perry to Rome..... property AND romance!!.. it's got everything..

 

[Sir_Loin]

A very,very good film imo, but as bleak as you’d expect from the subject matter.

Very much hoping that justice is decisively done here, and greatly impressed by the doggedness of those in VicPol who’ve pursued the case over the years.

I thought it was an amazing film. I can understand the family not supporting or endorsing it. I respect that. It did paint a portrait of how creepy these guys are and the commitment of the coppers that put themselves into these situations to catch these pricks

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Easey Street murders: John Silvester on how DNA evidence is not always right

The justice system has been blinded by science before. In Victoria, suspects were previously wrongly convicted based on what appeared to be black-and-white results.

www.theage.com.au

A John Silvester article.

Behind a paywall, I think. Posting it here for those who subscribe.

 

[dotr]

Easey Street murders: John Silvester on how DNA evidence is not always right

The justice system has been blinded by science before. In Victoria, suspects were previously wrongly convicted based on what appeared to be black-and-white results.

www.theage.com.au

A John Silvester article.

Behind a paywall, I think. Posting it here for those who subscribe.

From link, ty..

Perry Kouroumblis as a teenager.

 

[drsleuth]

 

[SouthAussie]

Easey Street murders: John Silvester on how DNA evidence is not always right

The justice system has been blinded by science before. In Victoria, suspects were previously wrongly convicted based on what appeared to be black-and-white results.

www.theage.com.au

A John Silvester article.

Behind a paywall, I think. Posting it here for those who subscribe.

In this article, John Silvester points to a case where DNA had been contaminated and led to the wrongful conviction of Farah Jama - the conviction was later overturned.

He says Kouroumblis' lawyers will be duty bound to see if any DNA stored from the Easey Street has been properly stored and was not contaminated. He thinks that VicPol will need to back up any DNA evidence with other evidence as well.

He remarks how the bloodied knife that was found was seen in an MSM photo being held by a police inspector's bare hands.

And is there the possibility that an officer attending one of Kouroumblis' burglaries (as he was a known burglar) inadvertently brought his DNA to Easey Street on his clothing or something, and some was left at Easey Street.

 

[JLZ]

In this article, John Silvester points to a case where DNA had been contaminated and led to the wrongful conviction of Farah Jama - the conviction was later overturned.

He says Kouroumblis' lawyers will be duty bound to see if any DNA stored from the Easey Street has been properly stored and was not contaminated. He thinks that VicPol will need to back up any DNA evidence with other evidence as well.

He remarks how the bloodied knife that was found was seen in an MSM photo being held by a police inspector's bare hands.

And is there the possibility that an officer attending one of Kouroumblis' burglaries (as he was a known burglar) inadvertently brought his DNA to Easey Street on his clothing or something, and some was left at Easey Street.

I thought John's comment at the end that there was a big story to be told, which would first be told in the courts, was interesting. It sounded like he's required to hold back on a number of things. Perhaps only baiting.

 

[SouthAussie]

I thought John's comment at the end that there was a big story to be told, which would first be told in the courts, was interesting. It sounded like he's required to hold back on a number of things. Perhaps only baiting.

And where he says the big story is part international spy thriller probably involves whatever the police did to draw him out of Greece.

imo

 

[Trooper]

I thought John's comment at the end that there was a big story to be told, which would first be told in the courts, was interesting. It sounded like he's required to hold back on a number of things. Perhaps only baiting.

It is the habit of reporters to claim they are 'keeping secrets'.. that they are trustworthy, etc.. what the case is, John, like his employer, is prevented from printing anything that has a 'D' notice on it. Desist, in other words, it is a very strongly guarded component of police investigations. All police in AU have this charter to notify the DPP of what they want unpublished and the DPP issues a notice under the auspices of the court to not print. There are real repercussions if this embargo is broken.... news publishers in AU tend to adhere to the rules .

 

[Cliff Hardy]

It is the habit of reporters to claim they are 'keeping secrets'.. that they are trustworthy, etc.. what the case is, John, like his employer, is prevented from printing anything that has a 'D' notice on it. Desist, in other words, it is a very strongly guarded component of police investigations. All police in AU have this charter to notify the DPP of what they want unpublished and the DPP issues a notice under the auspices of the court to not print. There are real repercussions if this embargo is broken.... news publishers in AU tend to adhere to the rules .

I'm continually surprised how much Sly and Andrew Rule actually know.

Rule, in particular, often waits until someone passes away before he shares what he knows about them and it is often information well beyond anything made public previously.

I can't think of any particular occasion where Sly or Rule have just shot their mouths off without having something to back it up with.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

DBM

 

[Sir_Loin]

I'm continually surprised how much Sly and Andrew Rule actually know.

Rule, in particular, often waits until someone passes away before he shares what he knows about them and it is often information well beyond anything made public previously.

I can't think of any particular occasion where Sly or Rule have just shot their mouths off without having something to back it up with.

They’re very good journos with great sources and they know if they burn them for a scoop they’ll never get info from them again.

Sly just did a great Conversations interview with Richard Fidler for the ABC. Must be getting old I remember Fidler from the DAAS. Haha.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Update from Andrew Rule :

Download - The Easey Street suspect - Perry Kouroumblis | Podbean

www.podbean.com

 

[Im_Toast]

Sly’s dad was a copper. Adds to the layers of connections he has. Reckon a few high-ups must trust him a lot, and see his usefulness.
Both he and Rule printed “Button Man” stories the same week during the hunt for the Wonnangatta campers. Later on, I wondered if it wasnt them intentionally spreading folklore in a bit of coordinated cage-rattling. Worked! For a few weeks, everyone I know in melbourne was going, “Button Man?!” to each other. Reckon it gave the perpetrator a bit of false hope he was off the hook!

 

[dotr]

Started thread for Julie in light of new article..
Oct 11 2024

Easey Street breakthrough raises hopes in another cold case murder mystery

Julie Garciacelay was 19 when she vanished, presumed murdered, from her bloodied apartment in 1975. Her 92-year-old mother hopes to get answers before she dies.

www.smh.com.au

''Following the arrest last month of a man over the 1977 murders of Suzanne Armstrong and Susan Bartlett in their home in Easey Street, Collingwood, Detective Senior Sergeant Tony Combridge, of the Missing Persons Squad, said those with knowledge of what happened to Julie had lived with the secret for almost five decades and “now is the time to do the right thing and come forward”.

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Australia Thread 'Australia- Julie Garciacelay, 19, librarian @ Southdown Press, missing sister's apt; blood-soaked towel & cut-up underwear found, Melbourne, July '75.'

Oct 11, 2024

Oct; 11, '24 by Wendy Tuohy rbbm

Julie Garciacelay. A coroner found in 2018 that the teen was murdered by persons unknown.

Easey Street breakthrough raises hopes in another cold case murder mystery

Julie Garciacelay was 19 when she vanished, presumed murdered, from her bloodied apartment in 1975. Her 92-year-old mother hopes to get answers before she dies.

www.smh.com.au

'Garciacelay hasn’t been seen since July 1975 when blood and slashed underwear were found in her North Melbourne flat.
“It gets harder,” said O’Keeffe, founder of The Missed Foundation, who will this month travel to California to meet Ruth Garciacelay, Julie’s mother.'
''Julie had only been in...

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[TootsieFootsie]

Article by John Silvester

Tales of the sting: The traps cops set to nab their targets​

Tales of the sting: The traps cops set to nab their targets

From bugging the collar of a crim’s little pooch to dressing up as shrubbery, there have been some ingenious and outlandish sting operations.

www.theage.com.au

May be behind a paywall. Posting it here for those who subscribe