Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #2

[SouthAussie]

Yeah, others in the area that Theo, and his phone were in, must be identified.

It's mind blowing that no-one has come forward, and that no camera footage or data from communications companies is available.

On a database somewhere may well be a data trail showing another phone, or phones, moving alongside Theo's on the Milne track towards Tallows... does anyone know how to find out if such data exists???

"A cell tower dump is a trove of data on the location information of typically hundreds of thousands of mobile phones which is sifted to identify a small set of suspects. Law enforcement agencies use this data to find possible suspects who were in the vicinity of the area and played a part in the execution of a crime."
What is a tower dump? - Quora

 

[Rocket333]

I think that the only way that the police can do that is to do a tower dump and then use the process of elimination.

Are the police willing to do that? They seem to be thinking that Theo was simply a victim of his own doing ... an accident.

Cousin Michael mentioned this in the latest podcast. He said they’ve had no reply so far from the police. Michael seems pretty clued up on IT and I think if he could do it himself he would, but instead he’s asked the police to request access and info from whoever has that data.

 

[Rocket333]

The police IMO are either not pursuing it further, and awaiting the coroners report (seems premature but I wouldn’t know), or they are sitting on a growing collection of undisclosed bits of info (ie any DNA off the cap, cctv, phone data, crime stoppers info, ethical hackers competition info and leads). They may be just playing it cool and waiting for the noise to quieter down. They may be doing a lot behind the scenes. They also may be doing zilch. We just don’t know.

Having said that, why hasn’t the footage in CMS been released? Why hasn’t the pics of the dancing girl been made public? Have they already found her? Do they not need further help from the public?

 

[CuriousJazz]

Ive been listening to the podcast and following this case online and this is my first post in a forum.

I feel that the 7 minutes spent at the end of Tennyson is crucial to the investigation. I don't understand why someone would stop there for 7 minutes, in the middle of the night, on their own accord without using their phone. He must have been interacting with someone there who directed him to the beach, or smoked a cigarette with someone there.

IMO, I don't think Theo ran through the bush in fear/duress. He used his phone on the beach to interact with family and watch a youtube clip (Something I don't believe you would do if you were scared). Whatever went wrong happened after that...

 

[Rocket333]

Ive been listening to the podcast and following this case online and this is my first post in a forum.

I feel that the 7 minutes spent at the end of Tennyson is crucial to the investigation. I don't understand why someone would stop there for 7 minutes, in the middle of the night, on their own accord without using their phone. He must have been interacting with someone there who directed him to the beach, or smoked a cigarette with someone there.

IMO, I don't think Theo ran through the bush in fear/duress. He used his phone on the beach to interact with family and watch a youtube clip (Something I don't believe you would do if you were scared). Whatever went wrong happened after that...

Welcome CJ. Tennyson is crucial as you say.
There would have been a group there yet it appears that no one has mentioned being there or seeing him. Why?

 

[SouthAussie]

I think in the 3rd podcast, both the indigenous person and the searcher who spoke said that there were camps in the area. Among the campers were mentally ill people and ice addicts.

If this type of person encountered Theo would they even care to tell the police? The personal ramifications on them might be that they are not believed, that they are accused, that they are charged with something, that they are moved on ...

 

[SouthAussie]

Ive been listening to the podcast and following this case online and this is my first post in a forum.

I feel that the 7 minutes spent at the end of Tennyson is crucial to the investigation. I don't understand why someone would stop there for 7 minutes, in the middle of the night, on their own accord without using their phone. He must have been interacting with someone there who directed him to the beach, or smoked a cigarette with someone there.

IMO, I don't think Theo ran through the bush in fear/duress. He used his phone on the beach to interact with family and watch a youtube clip (Something I don't believe you would do if you were scared). Whatever went wrong happened after that...

Welcome.

I have been wondering if it was Theo who watched that brief couple of minutes of the YouTube show. If perhaps someone else was in possession of his phone by that time. His cousin indicated that he might have been sent a message about a new episode of the show - as he was a regular watcher - and that is why the YouTube vid was opened.

It is difficult to determine at what point Theo perhaps stopped feeling relaxed and perhaps started feeling scared.

 

[RubyRed57]

On removal from CM, Theo's photo was taken by the bouncer, is there a system in place that the photo is shared with other Byron venues to exclude intoxicated patrons. Did the bouncer say to Theo, I suggest you take the back way home to Wake Up to avoid walking pass other clubs/pubs or did the bouncer suggest another party for Theo to go to? Ultimately the prompt removal of Theo from CM without being able to communicate with the few people he was there with, started the chain of events that lead to his tragic disappearance, It is beyond me why the CCTV footage from inside CM hasn't been released to the public & not more people have come forward! Absolutely devastating for his family.

 

[CuriousJazz]

Welcome.

I have been wondering if it was Theo who watched that brief couple of minutes of the YouTube show. If perhaps someone else was in possession of his phone by that time. His cousin indicated that he might have been sent a message about a new episode of the show - as he was a regular watcher - and that is why the YouTube vid was opened.

It is difficult to determine at what point Theo perhaps stopped feeling relaxed and perhaps started feeling scared.

good point. It is hard to tell.

On this theory, of someone taking his phone on the beach... if someone had his phone, would they really be replying to messages in another language regarding a concert? My understanding from the podcast was that he had a short reply to relatives overseas regarding a concert. My assumption is that this conversation would have taken place in French. And if someone was there, or in possession of his phone he would not have been allowed to do that...

 

[SouthAussie]

good point. It is hard to tell.

On this theory, of someone taking his phone on the beach... if someone had his phone, would they really be replying to messages in another language regarding a concert? My understanding from the podcast was that he had a short reply to relatives overseas regarding a concert. My assumption is that this conversation would have taken place in French. And if someone was there, or in possession of his phone he would not have been allowed to do that...

I think the YouTube vid was opened pretty late, wasn't it? I would have to listen to the podcast again to be sure. I should have made some notes as I was listening, so I could reference different points to start re-listening from.

Somewhere along the line I think that phone left Theo's hands. Sometime after he spoke with his friend. Just not sure if the YouTube vid came before the friend convo or after.

 

[mussopossum]

Indigenous people of Australia have been dealt a raw blow to say the least.
IMO indigenous people are NOT involved in Theo's disappearance and, if anything have given a beautiful ceremony for Theo.

From what I gather, the territorials, as rocket said are people, regardless of background etc. take up postion in an area, cos they can. Generally, they are people who camp up, either because they can't afford housing or choose to live the life of not fitting into "society " as a way if life....rather than work and pay their way. In saying that, for many reasons may have no choice.
However, there are some that, as I said, choose to live the free life and feel they have a right to do whatever they please and stay whetever they like.

Byron has it's drug issues, and some of these "transients", "lobbers", whatever.....take these sites as their territory....and may not take kindly to intruders, ie backpackers or anyone lobbing on in...

Hope I explained this ok....correct me anyone, if I have not given appropriate impressions.

Totally agree Jenz.

I don't think race (white Australian or indigenous) comes into it here.

It wouldn't matter what color skin a person had in this case, if someone was involved in Theos disappearance it is the evil inside that person involved and not their ancestry.

Just a pure evil person (s)

 

[mussopossum]

Thanks. I believe it is his. I have always been concerned about the DNA. How the heck was it inconclusive when the head/scalp is one of the best areas for DNA? And hats/caps are a great source of DNA? (Rhetorical questions.)

It bothers me a lot .. the placement of that cap. And the fact that the DNA was damaged/inconclusive/mixed. Did it have a wash in the ocean by someone? And was the cap left - on purpose - far away from wherever Theo is?

I am listening to the podcast now.

"I am listening to the podcast now. [/QUOTE]"
How do you like David Murray as the narrator here?
Totally loved his narration and this podcast.

 

[SouthAussie]

"I am listening to the podcast now. "
How do you like David Murray as the narrator here?
Totally loved his narration and this podcast.

I like the podcast very much. I really like that he has involved people speaking with him. Are there more episodes coming out? He seemed to indicate that it would be weekly, but it wasn't clear for how long.

 

[CuriousJazz]

I think the YouTube vid was opened pretty late, wasn't it? I would have to listen to the podcast again to be sure. I should have made some notes as I was listening, so I could reference different points to start re-listening from.

Somewhere along the line I think that phone left Theo's hands. Sometime after he spoke with his friend. Just not sure if the YouTube vid came before the friend convo or after.

I thought the youtube vid was earlier on in the piece. According to news sources, at 12.20am, Hayez messaged a friend in French on Facebook, discussing an upcoming U2 Australian tour. At 12.55am, Hayez sent his final message on WhatsApp to his stepsister, writing 'Merci' with a kiss emoji. This is all pretty close to his phone's last ping at 1:45am.

 

[mussopossum]

For those who haven’t been to the area at end Tennyson near cricket nets and shipping container. This was where Theo was.
Sorry screen shot from my phone as files to large to upload

 

[Aron.Wor]

Indigenous people of Australia have been dealt a raw blow to say the least.
IMO indigenous people are NOT involved in Theo's disappearance and, if anything have given a beautiful ceremony for Theo.

From what I gather, the territorials, as rocket said are people, regardless of background etc. take up postion in an area, cos they can. Generally, they are people who camp up, either because they can't afford housing or choose to live the life of not fitting into "society " as a way if life....rather than work and pay their way. In saying that, for many reasons may have no choice.
However, there are some that, as I said, choose to live the free life and feel they have a right to do whatever they please and stay whetever they like.

Byron has it's drug issues, and some of these "transients", "lobbers", whatever.....take these sites as their territory....and may not take kindly to intruders, ie backpackers or anyone lobbing on in...


Hope I explained this ok....correct me anyone, if I have not given appropriate impressions.

100% SA

 

[Aron.Wor]

It's never been documented.
It's the white fella that thinks he owns the land.

 

[Aron.Wor]

Why would indigenous peoples of this land, use a weapon from another peoples' culture to protect sacred land? There would be indigenous markings on it. Not symbols from another culture.

 

[feralflower]

For those who haven’t been to the area at end Tennyson near cricket nets and shipping container. This was where Theo was.
Sorry screen shot from my phone as files to large to upload

Gives a good idea of the privacy behind this shipping container, car access there and known for campers, over night stayers etc. If we can allow the possibility of someone else using Theo's phone at Cosy, then this is likely an area where everything could go wrong. I just read a crime story of a case where the victim's phone was used in a similar manner, he pretended to be her. Ok French yes but from what I gather the convo texts were not at all elaborate, google translator could have been used from another phone or the person could have been French speaking as well. Lots of French speaking tourists in Byron and yes some of the tourists there have caused plenty trouble, like the Canadian high on drugs throwing himself at the windscreen of a cop car. Anything is possible and this very area is well known for people high on drugs. He must have trusted whoever he was seeing or was he apprehended on the street and enticed there? Or someone was parked there who he knew, though I don't think he has been down this street at all previously during his travels. Probably Theo was just trying to get to the beach, avoid main street where drunks may have been hanging and unknowingly walked into one of the worst spots possible.

 

[SouthAussie]

Probably Theo was just trying to get to the beach, avoid main street where drunks may have been hanging and unknowingly walked into one of the worst spots possible.

This makes the best sense of anything I have thought about or heard.

It could be possible that whoever Theo met there was friendly at first "I'll show you the way to the beach", then it all went pear-shaped.