Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #2

[SouthAussie]

I know has been some talk about screen lock and the phones being in a certain situation where the screen lock has not come on and phone is left disabled.

I have an Iphone, it is set to go to screen lock after 5 min.

But the one thing I noticed when I was retracing steps and maps in GM a month ago was that my phone screen would shut off however when I swiped it again after 15 min it did not require a passcode.

When I was listening to podcast on Friday night the same thing happened.

I was on my laptop not touching the phone for an hour almost and when I picked it up to switch off podcast, again it did not ask me for a pin to access the phone.

Also just realized I had Spodify going yesterday for 4 hours non stop which was bluetoothed to my home entertainment system and again the numerous times I went back to shuffle to a different song it did not ask me to put a pin in again.

If my phone is just sitting doing nothing on charge it will ask me for a pin.

This really concerns me.

It seems that if something is running in the background say online radio, netflix, google maps that the phone does not auto-lock.

I have an android phone, and I have a screen lock set for a short time. But the screen lock does not go on when I am actively using maps navigation (directions from somewhere to somewhere).

If Theo was actively using maps navigation (and not just looking up the location of Wake Up) the screen likely would not have locked. imo


He’d been using Google Maps to look up the way back to his hostel at Belongil Beach, but was going the opposite way.
NoCookies | The Australian

 

[mussopossum]

Just at CM interesting door sign no longer has all the reasons you will be asked to leave if intoxicated that was there 4 months ago. Also cctv cams in rear of Cm where Theo walked passed additional to the one that captured him.

 

[mussopossum]

I have an android phone, and I have a screen lock set for a short time. But the screen lock does not go on when I am actively using maps navigation (directions from somewhere to somewhere).

If Theo was actively using maps navigation (and not just looking up the location of Wake Up) the screen likely would not have locked. imo


He’d been using Google Maps to look up the way back to his hostel at Belongil Beach, but was going the opposite way.
NoCookies | The Australian

Thanks for clarification SA might try this today as beleive Android May be in hand

 

[BusterXP]

Here's an example of the Google Maps history I just did. This is only looking at a specific area with no search at all and no GPS. You can access what you looked at from the history.
I assume this is what was used when they claimed Theo kept looking for the way back to Wake Up.
The map is still active in the background but without Nav running. Put the phone down and then screen dims then goes black and locks.
Next step was to get directions and see what happened. It was the same. That's directions without Nav. Maps was running with directions and no Nav and phone locked.

 

[SouthAussie]

Here's an example of the Google Maps history I just did. This is only looking at a specific area with no search at all and no GPS. You can access what you looked at from the history.
I assume this is what was used when they claimed Theo kept looking for the way back to Wake Up.
The map is still active in the background but without Nav running. Put the phone down and then screen dims then goes black and locks.
Next step was to get directions and see what happened. It was the same. That's directions without Nav. Maps was running with directions and no Nav and phone locked.

Seems you can also look at your 'timeline'. The timeline is, apparently, very detailed.

https://www.howtogeek.com/230633/ho...ur-google-maps-history-on-android-and-iphone/

 

[BusterXP]

Seems you can also look at your 'timeline'. The timeline is, apparently, very detailed.

https://www.howtogeek.com/230633/ho...ur-google-maps-history-on-android-and-iphone/

With Timeline I often get this sort of thing. That's when driving. I don't get much walking recorded. It's looking for 'entry points' (known businesses etc).

 

[RubyRed57]

Update timeline Theo after leaving CM:
- 23:07 he exited CM
- 23:08 he stops briefly in Kingsley
- 23:08 ->11:13 walks to the end of Tennyson
- 23:13 stops for 7 minutes
- 23:21 left the slab at the end of Tennyson and went to Massinger Street at 6km/hr
- then walked up hill from Massinger Str, to Milne St. at 4,5 km/hr
- 23: 30 reaches Milne Str.
- then enters Milne track and reaches T-junction in 5 minutes at 7,5km/hr
- then walks for 8 minutes at a little more than 4 km/hr
- stears around Tommy's invisible camp site
- location where Theo's cap was found = between Tommy's camp site and the beach*
- 23:48 reaches the beach through a tiny path at a gully with an abandoned camp site
- Theo looks up WU again and walks for 8 minutes to CC at 6km/hr
- 23:56 (+/-) walks up hill and stops for 5,5 minutes in a hidden clearing at about 20m from the sand
- 00:03 Theo / Theo's phone goes back to the beach in less than 2 minutes
- 00:05 GPS tracing stops
- but the phone continued sending signals till the afternoon of June 1st
- 00:20 sends Messenger message to friend Lou in French about U2 Tour
- 00:23 watches YouTube for 1 minute and 50 seconds
- 00:55 sends WA message
- 00:56 sends WA message
- +/- 02:00 - +/- 06:00 phone in 'sleep' mode
- +/- 04:00 moon rises and there is moonlight
- +/- 06:00 phone exits 'sleep' mode (what triggered this?)
- +/- 13:00 of June 1st, last ping, originating from Cape Byron, not from CC

Sources: Podcasts. In red: updates from Podcast#4.
* In Podcast#4 it was said: 'Only the family and police would have been able to plant the cap'.
I'd like to ad: only family and police, and ..... Theo's companion if he had one.

Thanks for the great update. My mobile phone exists 'sleep mode' when battery is about flat *
& gives me the message "please connect to your charger" & gives you about a 30 second window to connect to a recharger before the battery goes flat & completely turns itself off. Could this be the reason that triggered Theo's phone to exit 'sleep' mode?

 

[sparks030405]

I have an android phone, and I have a screen lock set for a short time. But the screen lock does not go on when I am actively using maps navigation (directions from somewhere to somewhere).

If Theo was actively using maps navigation (and not just looking up the location of Wake Up) the screen likely would not have locked. imo


He’d been using Google Maps to look up the way back to his hostel at Belongil Beach, but was going the opposite way.
NoCookies | The Australian

It must stay unlocked since Google Maps can be used for driving navigation, and so screen stays on and unlocked. I feel like he could have been walking and minding his own business staring at google maps and someone just grabbed the phone out of his hands

 

[BusterXP]

It must stay unlocked since Google Maps can be used for driving navigation, and so screen stays on and unlocked. I feel like he could have been walking and minding his own business staring at google maps and someone just grabbed the phone out of his hands

Only if navigation IS being used.

 

[Rocket333]

Byron Bay's illegal campers say they're living the 'good life'

 

[mishachilli]

I wonder if anyone in the search team has used the same model phone Théo had to try and see if the screen locks you out with maps running. It is possible his phone was used by someone else and it would be good to rule that in or out.

 

[mussopossum]

Seems you can also look at your 'timeline'. The timeline is, apparently, very detailed.

https://www.howtogeek.com/230633/ho...ur-google-maps-history-on-android-and-iphone/

I nearly fainted when I looked at mine just for a day.
Scary the amount it captures

 

[Deleted member 255258]

Thanks for the great update. My mobile phone exists 'sleep mode' when battery is about flat *
& gives me the message "please connect to your charger" & gives you about a 30 second window to connect to a recharger before the battery goes flat & completely turns itself off. Could this be the reason that triggered Theo's phone to exit 'sleep' mode?

That is pretty much what Oppo told me about the model of Theo's phone. The last "ping" at 1.42pm 1st June would have been for this reason, which Oppo techs said is very likely to be the case.

 

[mussopossum]

I wonder if anyone in the search team has used the same model phone Théo had to try and see if the screen locks you out with maps running. It is possible his phone was used by someone else and it would be good to rule that in or out.

I am now wondering if anyone else was using his phone.

After walking around there today, I am now thinking he was with someone. It just makes absolutely no sense to me his maneuvers shown on the map and where he walked and why he would have cut through where he did, climbing over vines and bits of dead tree branches and an area infested with snakes instead of walking along the road, through the car park and the designated tracks. And all in the dark in the dark,

Why? Just why?



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According to Theo’s Google data, Theo reached the area of Tommy’s camp on the night of his disappearance and then doubled back, giving it a wide berth without stopping. Tommy didn’t see Theo on the night of his disappearance."

NoCookies | The Australian

 

[mussopossum]

One of the latest updated Missing posters as you walk onto Tallows beach.

 

[mishachilli]

I am now wondering if anyone else was using his phone.

After walking around there today, I am now thinking he was with someone. It just makes absolutely no sense to me his maneuvers shown on the map and where he walked and why he would have cut through where he did, climbing over vines and bits of dead tree branches and an area infested with snakes instead of walking along the road, through the car park and the designated tracks. And all in the dark in the dark,

Why? Just why?

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According to Theo’s Google data, Theo reached the area of Tommy’s camp on the night of his disappearance and then doubled back, giving it a wide berth without stopping. Tommy didn’t see Theo on the night of his disappearance."

NoCookies | The Australian

Whoever it was walking that track knew the area very well indeed to even know Tommy’s camp existed. And even if Théo was there with someone it doesn’t explain how he himself knew to double back unless we are to believe the person with him was also vocalising instructions in which case they’d have surely been heard. I’m convinced it wasn’t Théo using that phone past the rec fields. But that’s just my opinion.

 

[mussopossum]

Whoever it was walking that track knew the area very well indeed to even know Tommy’s camp existed. And even if Théo was there with someone it doesn’t explain how he himself knew to double back unless we are to believe the person with him was also vocalising instructions in which case they’d have surely been heard. I’m convinced it wasn’t Théo using that phone past the rec fields. But that’s just my opinion.

Sadly I have to agree with you.

This track and diversion is just to hard to explain and comprehend.

Even in the day time I would not follow this route through the bush it is 100 times more difficult and dangerous.

It leads me to believe he may have been lured there for whatever reason AIMO

 

[Rocket333]

According to Theo’s Google data, Theo reached the area of Tommy’s camp on the night of his disappearance and then doubled back, giving it a wide berth without stopping. Tommy didn’t see Theo on the night of his disappearance."

NoCookies | The Australian

Is there a map of that track with Tommy’s camp and the steps taken on the night? I’ve seen the general route map and the 360 image on the lighthouse website. Just wondering if there’s a clearer one with more detail?
That missing beach camper is a major POI. To choose that route whilst pretty much walking blind, divert away from Tommy’s camp in the pitch dark and exit neatly beside his camp is just too direct & obvious.

 

[SouthAussie]

Is there a map of that track with Tommy’s camp and the steps taken on the night? I’ve seen the general route map and the 360 image on the lighthouse website. Just wondering if there’s a clearer one with more detail?
That missing beach camper is a major POI. To choose that route whilst pretty much walking blind, divert away from Tommy’s camp in the pitch dark and exit neatly beside his camp is just too direct & obvious.

Tommy must know who this person is. imo

 

[mussopossum]

Is there a map of that track with Tommy’s camp and the steps taken on the night? I’ve seen the general route map and the 360 image on the lighthouse website. Just wondering if there’s a clearer one with more detail?
That missing beach camper is a major POI. To choose that route whilst pretty much walking blind, divert away from Tommy’s camp in the pitch dark and exit neatly beside his camp is just too direct & obvious.

Not one that has been released by family no. The detail in the msm one that was released with the cap image where you see the curve / ear like shape I call it is the area I went in today and saw the lightly impacted path and the homeless camp tent at the end on the beach. Easily lost in the day time and when pulled out phone to look at google maps and my location could see nothing come up to show a suggested path or anything other than terrain and the beach.

So if Theo was walking through here at night And I couldn’t see any tracks or any diversions come up on GM, then why did he climb through the bush land in the dark?

The only sense made when you are in there is that he was guided Aimo