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I'm struggling with the timeline. Mainly re: the what's app message time. I've had a bit of a look about, discussed with family members and one has a timeline from way back which indicated the whats app was accessed at 1am. This doesn't make sense.
Does anyone have a confirmed time relating to that whats app message?
 
I'm struggling with the timeline. Mainly re: the what's app message time. I've had a bit of a look about, discussed with family members and one has a timeline from way back which indicated the whats app was accessed at 1am. This doesn't make sense.
Does anyone have a confirmed time relating to that whats app message?
Was it 12.20am? Or was that the call to his friend in Belgium?
 
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Was it 12.20am? Or was that the call to his friend in Belgium?
That was the Facebook one to friend in Belgium about music/ bands , I think it was 1am or something just looking for link. The what’s app one is the one where no content provided. If Theo was no Aline and someone with him had a phone too they should be able to get pretty close to the person/ persons who he was with .
 
Was it 12.20am? Or was that the call to his friend in Belgium?
As far as I'm aware, that was a message to family in Beglium.
I'm really struggling to find anything relating to a timeline to the whatsapp message. From memory myself, I thought it was around 1am. Which doesn't coincide with the phone apparently being last known to be on, which is supposedly 12.40am?
Then final ping around 1pm? That day
 
Quote of recent comment found on echo.net.au re article from 2017 titled
Byron beach doof-party organiser fined $8,000...

“Young Belgians are sure that Theo Hayez went on the night of May 31st to June 1st to some DOOF PARTY. Can somebody make out where the exact place of this party was? (answer is: no party confirmed, but Théo phone last pinged at Cosy Corner, north end of Tallow Beach). Also the youngsters present at these parties make all pictures and small movies that they send around the world by social media. How to find these images? My greetings - Frank Liefooghe”. 25 June, 2019
 
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Just trying to see if there is a connection to the whatsapp message to possible drug organising via this. I'm not convinced he was organising drugs through the whatsapp message, hence trying to confirm the time of said message.
i don't understand what you mean? what connection are you looking for
 
Quote of recent comment found on echo.net.au re article from 2017 titled
Byron beach doof-party organiser fined $8,000
... “Young Belgians are sure that Theo Hayez went on the night of May 31st to June 1st to some DOOF PARTY. Can somebody make out where the exact place of this party was? (answer is Cosy Corner, north end of Tallow Beach). Also the youngsters present at these parties make all pictures and small movies that they send around the world by social media. How to find these images? My greetings - Frank Liefooghe”. 25 June, 2019
If there was a doof party there quite a few people would know about it I'm pretty sure.
 
New twist in search for Theo Hayez as police zero in on headland next to Byron Bay's iconic lighthouse - as fellow backpacker slams hostel for not raising the alarm for THREE days
Ok, found this in previous posts.
Doesn't mention the message at 12.20am to Belgium, so may not be an accurate timeline.
Further searching says the whatsapp was used evening of 31st June.
Just trying to nut out the whatsapp connection to possible message for drugs...
Still no idea .
On re-reading that the hostel didn't say he was missing after 6 whole days (3 days were after he would have left there) they didn't even seem to be concerned that he could have done a runner and owed them money???

And then in the end it was that other guy he had met there who eventually raised the alarm. How long would the hostel have not raised the alarm if the other guy didn't? Is this all way beyond something not quite right?

I have never stayed at a hostel, what are the people like who run them? Are they normally so extremely laid back as in this case or are they all different? Do you think their behaviour would raise any suspicions to the police? After all it has certainly benefitted whoever was involved. Loads and loads of spare time to remove any evidence.
 
On another note, these people who live in the bush, if they are involved, they don't have cars. Theo would have been found in that area by now with the searches, dogs etc. Culprits had 6 days to get rid of any evidence. Because he can't be found in the phone map area, Theo had to have been taken in a car somewhere, so who would help these people out with a car? So maybe they weren't involved at all or they had a contact with a car who was willing to get involved (but may have had some involvement from the beginning somehow?)
 
If there was a doof party there quite a few people would know about it I'm pretty sure.
It’s not my idea, and many of his peers think this is an option. After years of crackdowns on doof parties either held at the carpark, or Cosy Corner, they would be low key, esoteric events. And as Matlock said, maybe homeless living there weren’t involved. If some who he met with had cars, hence the route via the carpark? Have police checked Instagram (I think owned by Facebook), for geotagged photos from that spot? But for discretion, maybe taking photos banned at these events and organisers make sure to clean up, not leave any trace of event. Maybe cult organised, mushrooms involved. Less likely but possible it was promoted as a doof party, but actual intention was to kidnap a backpacker. But why? Or backfired initiation ceremony for him to abandon/reject western culture and join an alt group. I read someone was found in BB area after 10 years of searching, living in one of those groups. Once found by family, the guy still stayed and never made contact again. He could be alive and well not wanting to be found, although if zooming in/out of Google Maps looking for escape route, then held somewhere against his will, I hope so
 
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I think it's a massive long shot that he could have been kidnapped or be in a commune, although like everyone else I really, really hope that's the outcome. What I was saying is that if these gypsies who live in the bush are responsible for Theo being killed whether some kind of argument, accident etc. then his body would have been found in that area by now. These people I imagine don't have cars, so how could they possibly move a body away from the area?

If these people do sell drugs then who are the ones in town who give them their customers? Are staff at any businesses involved, bars, hostels etc. most backpackers are in BB for the first time, so who do they ask? Could one of these people have been involved too and have a car? Somehow it seems that a car has to be involved somewhere at the very least 'after' the event. We pretty much know it wasn't before the event, so how and why after it? This scenario is makes sense if you accept that after all the searches, dogs etc. then he is no longer in the vicinity of that phone map.

But even if something had gone wrong then it seems weird that someone with a car would be contacted for help and become involved (unless they were somehow involved from the beginning).

It's also possible that someone amongst the gypsies/homeless has a car permanently in that car park. I know that there is a homeless man who lives along the creek near where I live and he has an unregistered car parked on the main road which he moves once a day to another location so it's not reported as an abandoned car.
 
We seem to be focussing on the latest update of Theos route published last week and mention in MSM from his father thet they did not beleive that he was alonone that night.

I can see that many of us here are focusing on the messages he was sending whilst walking and a theory that those messages Whats App are possibly related
to meeting up for drugs.

There is one other thing I thought of last night.

I have never actually seen it confirmed by the Girl that Theo was in a relationship in Belgium that they are still in a relationship. (Am I wrong)?

So what if Theo had in fact met up with a girl that night that he had either met at the hostel earlier or met in Byron the days before. What if she was out and about or at accomodation in the direction of Tennyson St and he was meeting up with her.

They could have gone down to the beach together for, well some private time away from others. Lots of boarding / lodging houses do not allow stay overs etc of other parties so if there was someone there they may have gone to the beach to be alone..

There has been mention that for him to take that track short cut to Tallows he would have had to have been with a local that knew the area.

But what If Theo had already done that walk in the last couple days already? We dont know if he had actually been on that track in the day time when he got to Byron already the few days before.

I feel that we are pushing towards drugs so heavily here, Whilst it was my initial thought too I am being careful of not overstepping things and making assumptions that he was into drugs and now opening up my mind to other possibilities.

Have we thought about Tinder?
We still dont have released from MSM or police what other apps he had and he could well have met up with someone on Tinder. Regardless if in a relationship or not.... It happens.

I have been watching the show Catfish all about online dating and people pretending to be the oppisite sex etc and then meeting up with someone. It is quite scary TBH.

It is again just another thought.
 
It’s been pretty well documented that he was in a relationship there are multiple articles about her pleading for people to come forward. I still can’t understand if he went to the beach that evening his hone would have re pinged earlier as it left the cbd Mobile tower. The focus on the message at 12.20 is really due to the fact that he was obviously under no immediate threat at that time as he was messaging about mystic and if he was unsafe this is unlikely also if he were at a party or with girl it’s unlikely you would grab our your phone and text a friend as you would be having fun . It also assumes then he is not walking or totally out of it. The fact he just vanished does bring in to play that he was picked up by a car. Don’t forget he had only been in the town for a day and did not know the area. Perhaps because he was lost / drunk so was offered a ride to hostel but for what ever reason the car took him to a house in the cbd area. He went inside to wait while they got someone or something. Hence him sitting waiting and sending messages home about music cos he was filling in time.
The what’s app message comes in here as like Facebook they don’t cost like an sms message. So that final what’s app message could have been an alert for help.
The phone is still accessing the cbd phone tower until the following day. So perhaps something terrible happened in the town cbd. As phone did not shift tower until next day .
And to go missing in CBD just disappear Hence no sightings or CCTV or whiteness seeing him walk or even a car sighting. However the 7 days makes it hard for a lot to recall unless something notable and totally out of ordinary etc. then the following day his items / him disposed of that’s why been picked up in car taken to house makes sense just to vanish
 
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We seem to be focussing on the latest update of Theos route published last week and mention in MSM from his father thet they did not beleive that he was alonone that night.

I can see that many of us here are focusing on the messages he was sending whilst walking and a theory that those messages Whats App are possibly related
to meeting up for drugs.

There is one other thing I thought of last night.

I have never actually seen it confirmed by the Girl that Theo was in a relationship in Belgium that they are still in a relationship. (Am I wrong)?

So what if Theo had in fact met up with a girl that night that he had either met at the hostel earlier or met in Byron the days before. What if she was out and about or at accomodation in the direction of Tennyson St and he was meeting up with her.

They could have gone down to the beach together for, well some private time away from others. Lots of boarding / lodging houses do not allow stay overs etc of other parties so if there was someone there they may have gone to the beach to be alone..

There has been mention that for him to take that track short cut to Tallows he would have had to have been with a local that knew the area.

But what If Theo had already done that walk in the last couple days already? We dont know if he had actually been on that track in the day time when he got to Byron already the few days before.

I feel that we are pushing towards drugs so heavily here, Whilst it was my initial thought too I am being careful of not overstepping things and making assumptions that he was into drugs and now opening up my mind to other possibilities.

Have we thought about Tinder?
We still dont have released from MSM or police what other apps he had and he could well have met up with someone on Tinder. Regardless if in a relationship or not.... It happens.

I have been watching the show Catfish all about online dating and people pretending to be the oppisite sex etc and then meeting up with someone. It is quite scary TBH.

It is again just another thought.
Good point. He has befriended a huge number of pretty girls if you check out his Facebook friends list. It’s certainly maybe more of an interest for him than drugs, and didn’t he enter CM as the only male with a group of girls.

I feel like we are all wasting our time here though and police know more than us, and will solve it, although they have said that they are baffled by this case.

I’m still wondering though if sniffer dogs can sniff through deep sand. It’s pretty dense and cold esp. in winter as it reflects sunlight, and without microorganisms to help breakdown/decompose, rather than a soil based land burial which might be easier for a sniffer dog to find.
 
There are two possibilities, there was an accident or there was a motive leading to his disappearance. If there was a motive then a predator as you describe has crossed my mind many times. Fingers crossed this was not the case.
I think Theo did like nature and would enjoy bush routes though it is still odd to be walking there at night even if he knew the track. It is odd also that he dropped his hat and left it there. Most teens are very attached to their hats and it was a cold night.
Now we know where the phone signal stopped going by the published records, but we don't know if this is where Theo stopped. So could he have dropped this hat in a hurry on his way OUT from the beach? Left his phone behind if say someone took it off him or knocked it from his hand? He wanted to get away fast? If he felt he was in danger he may have ran back to the same area taking the bush route again to avoid being seen if for instance a stalker was following? This would explain dropping his hat and not recovering it. Also possible someone else had it, threw it there on way out. No reason for this I know but people can do strange things.
I think the focus on searching his known mobile track is good and best chance of obtaining more clues but it is possible Theo left phone there out of necessity, ran off in a hurry somewhere else ? What confuses more is the initial reports in the papers of the final ping had searches focused on between The Pass and Wategos Beach which is on the opposite side of Cosy Corner. I have saved the snips from the news articles and until this mobile data map was made available the last ping was said to come from between the Pass and Wategos area. There is quite a bit of conflicting information. Also the mobile data before being released or leaked? said the search was focused on the east of the CBD and bushland Northeast. No mention of beach area but perhaps there is a reason for leaving that information out until recently, but I don't understand why the last ping was first stated to be on the opposite side. Or was the last ping still from opposite side? Which could only mean the phone was moved to there next day.
 
Just trying to see if there is a connection to the whatsapp message to possible drug organising via this. I'm not convinced he was organising drugs through the whatsapp message,

gotcha, yeah well i do know lots of tourists including my own family use it when traveling to keep in contact back home because its cheaper than using roaming txt or call

and can be done on a cheap prepaid mobile with a good data limit it lets you use it basically as much as you want to keep in contact

i used to live near byron bay and iv been there before but i cant really offer much insight as it was many many years a go and i am sure things have changed a lot since its explosion in popularity
 
It’s been pretty well documented that he was in a relationship there are multiple articles about her pleading for people to come forward. I still can’t understand if he went to the beach that evening his hone would have re pinged earlier as it left the cbd Mobile tower. The focus on the message at 12.20 is really due to the fact that he was obviously under no immediate threat at that time as he was messaging about mystic and if he was unsafe this is unlikely also if he were at a party or with girl it’s unlikely you would grab our your phone and text a friend as you would be having fun . It also assumes then he is not walking or totally out of it. The fact he just vanished does bring in to play that he was picked up by a car. Don’t forget he had only been in the town for a day and did not know the area. Perhaps because he was lost / drunk so was offered a ride to hostel but for what ever reason the car took him to a house in the cbd area. He went inside to wait while they got someone or something. Hence him sitting waiting and sending messages home about music cos he was filling in time.
The what’s app message comes in here as like Facebook they don’t cost like an sms message. So that final what’s app message could have been an alert for help.
The phone is still accessing the che tower until the following day. So perhaps something terrible happened in the tow. Hence no sightings or CCTV or whiteness seeing him walk etc. then the following day his items / him disposed of

Could you please attach link in msm where it is confirmed by The girl or Theos family as to or where she is referred to as Theos current girlfriend or partner. Yes she has pleaded for information but if my ex was missing and I was still on good terms I too would be pleading. Doesn’t mean they are still together imo. If you have MSM shoeing referance that they were still in a relation ship to clarify that be appreciated ;)
 
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