Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #8

[UndiscoveredTruth]

And lack of choice. In her situation I wouldn't be trying to go back inside. AND it was very cold out there. If anything, that would have sobered her up slightly.

Hi Poss!! As we know Warriena was a Kiwi, holidaying in the Gold Coast. Trust me, most, if not all Kiwi's will agree that it's summer all year round in Queenslands when compared to NZ. Not only that, there are photo's of GT shirtless, and Warriena in a singlet on the balcony. Cold? I don't think so, lol.

 

[Aglaia]

Oct 17, 2016 1:33 PMStuff Editors
The defence did not view Wright's conduct in climbing over the balcony as rational or a reasonable response to Tostee's actions. She was heavily intoxicated and "irrational," according to the defence case. So Tostee could not have foreseen that she would climb over the edge and die.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/85406561/live-gable-tostee-verdict

So she was that irrational it was unforseeable that she might do something seemingly irrational out on the balcony?
She was so irrational that the only thing he could have reasonably expected from her was to act rationally?
I don't understand this argument at all

 

[JCB]

Unfortunate typo there, Greg.

Haha I missed that at first glance!

 

[possumheart]

Hi Poss!! As we know Warriena was a Kiwi, holidaying in the Gold Coast. Trust me, most, if not all Kiwi's will agree that it's summer all year round in Queenslands when compared to NZ. Not only that, there are photo's of GT shirtless, and Warriena in a singlet on the balcony. Cold? I don't think so, lol.

In earlier threads we did establish the temperature at that time of night in that place, so forgive me for not linking, but it was chilly.

 

[Fluffykins]

Hi Poss!! As we know Warriena was a Kiwi, holidaying in the Gold Coast. Trust me, most, if not all Kiwi's will agree that it's summer all year round in Queenslands when compared to NZ. Not only that, there are photo's of GT shirtless, and Warriena in a singlet on the balcony. Cold? I don't think so, lol.

Silly argument when most of their time was spent indoors. I have holiday photos taken on the Gold Coast in August; middle of the day and we're all wearing pullovers.

 

[Makara]

In earlier threads we did establish the temperature at that time of night in that place, so forgive me for not linking, but it was chilly.

Tostee even told his father to hurry up because "I'm freezing.".

 

[Elde Fruit]

Well, seems to me that in leaving the Defence submissions ringing in the Jury's ears as the last word, I reckon the Judge has given an indication of how he sees things.

 

[possumheart]

Tostee even told his father to hurry up because "I'm freezing.".

Touché.

 

[Makara]

Oct 17, 2016 1:52 PMStuff Editors
Recap:
The judge has now asked the jury to retire and consider Gable Tostee's fate.

*They can return a verdict of guilty or not guilty for murder. They may also opt for a decision of manslaughter.

*Justice John Byrne outlined both sides of the case for the jury in the Brisbane Supreme Court on Monday morning Queensland-time.

*From the Crown's perspective Tostee intimidated his Kiwi Tinder date Warriena Wright, to the extent that he caused her to take the action she did - climbing over her balcony to her death.

*The defence's case was that Wright was acting increasingly irrationally, and Tostee was acting in self-defence from her assaults when he put a locked door between them as a barrier.

*Neither side is suggesting Tostee pushed Wright off the balcony.

*The jury will continue to deliberate, and we will bring you the verdict live.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/85406561/live-gable-tostee-verdict

 

[Ausgirl]

If he walks, I'll register my protest with a John Elliot inspired avatar. Thanks for the notion, guys.

Not as seriously, obviously, as the dismay I'd feel to see this freak walk away, but I'm dreading the web-wide smug from dusty funbags & the multiple personality crew. Blerk. Upshot is they'll eventually crawl back into whatever black hole they came from.

 

[sosocurious]

Tostee even told his father to hurry up because "I'm freezing.".

That's right. He did.
I wonder if Rrie had her black jacket on. Because when I first heard Gabe's recording and he was telling Rrie in such a gentlemanly way that he was going to put her out the door just the way she was and she was not going to take her belongings. I really thought she must have been naked or dressed inappropriately. But she had her jeans on when she fell.
imo

 

[matey]

You'd hope so. That's the point where I believe any reasonable person would have immediately escorted a guest, along with their belongings, from their dwelling and hailed them a taxi. If only...

OMG.....Another "pretty" Avatar....:floorlaugh:

 

[BasTyra]

Oct 17, 2016 1:23 PMStuff Editors
The judge says the defence says no one was able to prove that Wright even knew the balcony door was locked - and that she did not act rationally by trying to climb over the balcony within seconds of being placed outside by Tostee. The judge says the defence's case is his client's actions did not cause her to make that choice.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/85406561/live-gable-tostee-verdict

I don't even get how that's an argument for defence. If she was unaware the door was locked it makes her climbing over even more unthinkable - hence she was absolutely TERRIFIED and going back through the balcony door was simply not an option for her whether or not it was locked.
It's so annoying that they are trying to paint her as a crazy person who just decided to "la dee dah" jump over a damn balcony. Like, wow, I totally can't understand why she would do that, how strange of her.

It's not like the guy had said "hang out here for a bit while I make you a cup of tea" and she's decided to climb down to the lower apartment for *****s and giggles. Sigh.

 

[StarryVeck]

I don't even get how that's an argument for defence. If she was unaware the door was locked it makes her climbing over even more unthinkable - hence she was absolutely TERRIFIED and going back through the balcony door was simply not an option for her whether or not it was locked.
It's so annoying that they are trying to paint her as a crazy person who just decided to "la dee dah" jump over a damn balcony. Like, wow, I totally can't understand why she would do that, how strange of her.

It's not like the guy had said "hang out here for a bit while I make you a cup of tea" and she's decided to climb down to the lower apartment for *****s and giggles. Sigh.

Exactly! And as another poster astutely noted earlier, she must have been incredibly terrified to attempt climbing over the balcony, rather than knocking on the door, apologising to Tosser - sorry, Tostee - and asking to be let back in. Kind of flies in the face of all those claiming that the accused was oh-so-reasonable and gentlemanly that night. Whatever he did during that chilling portion of the recording where you can hear her gagging scared her too much to attempt to reason with him.

 

[Ausgirl]

With respect, a person who has witnessed hundreds of judicial addresses, does gain somewhat of a sense as to the mindset of the presiding Judge. In the end it means little because the jury simply don't have that experience (and those that do are ineligible to serve) and are free to deliberate as they see fit and without bias. But by examining where particular emphasis was applied and the order in which each particular was addressed, you can get an indication as to whether the Judge thinks it's a strong, moderate or weak case.

Doesn't that kind of lean towards influencing the jury decision, though?

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

In earlier threads we did establish the temperature at that time of night in that place, so forgive me for not linking, but it was chilly.

Chilly to one who actually resides in Queensland, yes. But for someone who resides in New Zealand, nope, not chilly any day of the year in Queensland.

 

[sosocurious]

With respect, a person who has witnessed hundreds of judicial addresses, does gain somewhat of a sense as to the mindset of the presiding Judge. In the end it means little because the jury simply don't have that experience (and those that do are ineligible to serve) and are free to deliberate as they see fit and without bias. But by examining where particular emphasis was applied and the order in which each particular was addressed, you can get an indication as to whether the Judge thinks it's a strong, moderate or weak case.

“If your client was not on the balcony, it makes the murder case a lot more difficult,” she told defence barrister Tony Kimmins.

“But in the context of what happened in the apartment, I would think a manslaughter case is not weak.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...k/news-story/686dc8a1a825a2d10f2431b34da4e573

 

[Freya1977]

But he didn't remove her......If only he had

 

[PrimeSuspect]

With respect, a person who has witnessed hundreds of judicial addresses, does gain somewhat of a sense as to the mindset of the presiding Judge. In the end it means little because the jury simply don't have that experience (and those that do are ineligible to serve) and are free to deliberate as they see fit and without bias. But by examining where particular emphasis was applied and the order in which each particular was addressed, you can get an indication as to whether the Judge thinks it's a strong, moderate or weak case.

With respect, a judge should be impartial but I concede, it's only human not to reveal their bias. The defence believes Tostee's recording will save him, so in my mind, it means he was doomed without it. Interesting. JMO

 

[Makara]

With respect, a person who has witnessed hundreds of judicial addresses, does gain somewhat of a sense as to the mindset of the presiding Judge. In the end it means little because the jury simply don't have that experience (and those that do are ineligible to serve) and are free to deliberate as they see fit and without bias. But by examining where particular emphasis was applied and the order in which each particular was addressed, you can get an indication as to whether the Judge thinks it's a strong, moderate or weak case.

And with respect, neither you, Elde Fruit or myself are lawyers. Your comment about what a person may have witnessed in regard to judicial addresses is not relevant here. It may be an observation on your part and then again it may simply be a rumour.