Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sep 2014 - #65

[sniffsniffcough]

I think she is referring to nswpol timeline rather than FC’s.

on the ping - I think this has changed IMO there is still data to obtain?

What data do you consider could still be obtained relative to 2014?

Remove the phone battery definitely no pings IMO.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

American site but should apply:

Key Takeaways

• Tracking a switched off cell phone is next to impossible. Well, that’s a conventional belief.
• According to a report from the Washington Post, the NSA is capable of tracking cell phones even when they are turned off.
• As per the report, NSA has been using this technique, dubbed “The Find”, ever since September 2004.
• Can You Track Phone When it's Turned Off? Apparently, Yes!

Maybe this is some of the intelligence police use that they don't want to share with the public?

 

[JBowie]

If I was asked something like "are you responsible for your child's disappearance" I would feel responsible even if I hadn't been involved in his disappearance.

If I'd let a 3 year old run around a large unfenced property adjoining bushland unsupervised, and he'd come to grief in some way, then there's no question that I would feel responsible for being negligent.

However, as to the question, here's this from an Australian firm of qualified examiners:

Do nerves affect the result of a polygraph test?

No. Nervousness does not interfere with the polygraph test. It is expected that every individual undergoing a polygraph examination may be nervous whether they intend to answer questions truthfully or not. Typically, some examinee remain nervous throughout the entire testing phase not during one individual question. Advanced Polygraph Examiner(s) are vigilant for action-specific responses over and above any examinee’s heightened level of nervousness or anxiety (behavioural baseline) should this occur during the conduct of a polygraph examination. It should be noted that during the pre testing polygraph phase physiological and behavioural analysis assessments are conducted of the examinee to determine and address any nervousness should it be present.

Frequently Asked Questions | Advanced Polygraph

 

[JWSleuth]

Maybe this is some of the intelligence police use that they don't want to share with the public?

I’m pretty sure old days once off no tracking but has changed not sure how but...

 

[Mrs G Norris]

What data do you consider could still be obtained relative to 2014?

Remove the phone battery definitely no pings IMO.

Rosann would have access to the data from that time, they would have requested it at the time, so no need to go back and get it, they would have obtained it already. My point is, they don't seem to be looking closely at anyone out of the area, FF and locals so far .. does that mean the data indicated there was nobody there that shouldn't be?

If so the potential suspect list is small.

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

I dont think media have run wild at all. I believe this has been a concerted co-operation between Police / Coroner & Media.

How many other investigations have you seen where the media have their cameras on top of police as they are sifting soil looking for items? The police could have marshaled the media hundreds of metres up the road away from the dig sites...but they havent...they have invited them in very close to the action.

Media dont get access to under the house under lights while cadaver dogs and their handlers are in there searching...

This image is what seals my thoughts on this, media dont have this close access to a police operation unless it is invited...IMOO

BBM
The Lynette Dawson case in Australia allowed the same media attention when sifting through soil on the property of her former home in hope of finding her remains.
Police start new search at missing woman Lyn Dawson's home

I find it offensive and totally disrespectful that they are allowed such close scrutiny in light of what could be recovered.
Give the victims and their families and loved ones some respect
Edited for clarity

 

[sniffsniffcough]

American site but should apply:

Key Takeaways

• Tracking a switched off cell phone is next to impossible. Well, that’s a conventional belief.
• According to a report from the Washington Post, the NSA is capable of tracking cell phones even when they are turned off.
• As per the report, NSA has been using this technique, dubbed “The Find”, ever since September 2004.
• Can You Track Phone When it's Turned Off? Apparently, Yes!

Would need to check that information is relative to Australia and 2014. IMO

 

[Mrs G Norris]

BBM
The Lynette Dawson case in Australia allowed the same media attention when sifting through soil on the property of her former home in hope of finding her remains.
Police start new search at missing woman Lyn Dawson's home

I find it offensive that they are allowed such close scrutiny in light of what could be recovered.
Give the victims and their families and loved ones some respect

Another example of NSWPOL trying to get a suspect to crack and confess because they knew they'd struggle to secure a conviction otherwise IMO.

 

[JWSleuth]

What data do you consider could still be obtained relative to 2014?

Remove the phone battery definitely no pings IMO.

Pings in 2014 when William went missing?

I’m no tech expert so not sure. But not sure if you have tried removing an iPhone battery??? I don’t think that is possible?

 

[k-mac]

BBM
The Lynette Dawson case in Australia allowed the same media attention when sifting through soil on the property of her former home in hope of finding her remains.
Police start new search at missing woman Lyn Dawson's home

I find it offensive that they are allowed such close scrutiny in light of what could be recovered.
Give the victims and their families and loved ones some respect

Yes its strange.

Strategic Im guessing.

 

[JWSleuth]

Would need to check that information is relative to Australia and 2014. IMO

One would think US phones would be the same as Aus phones?

 

[sniffsniffcough]

BBM
The Lynette Dawson case in Australia allowed the same media attention when sifting through soil on the property of her former home in hope of finding her remains.
Police start new search at missing woman Lyn Dawson's home

I find it offensive that they are allowed such close scrutiny in light of what could be recovered.
Give the victims and their families and loved ones some respect

I don't know whether Police have the power to prevent media coverage of a search site.

I would imagine Police are able to set up a crime scene exclusionary barrier but they cannot IMO stop anyone using long range lens to capture footage whilst the photographer is positioned back from the barrier.

Rock and a hard place situation. We would complain if we couldn't view images of searches. When we are shown such images its too much coverage. IMO

Stand to be corrected.

 

[JBowie]

I find it offensive that they are allowed such close scrutiny in light of what could be recovered.
Give the victims and their families and loved ones some respect

Agree, but I think in the WT case the media are being kept at a distance from the work and only allowed to video what police deem appropriate. In his recent media update, DCS Darren Bennett thanked the media for their conduct at the sites. See at 3:22 here:

 

[sniffsniffcough]

One would think US phones would be the same as Aus phones?

When I was os my phone wouldn't work in US and some Euro countries. Was told it was something to do with how electronic circuits communicated. Some phones are manufactured to specific country requirements I was told. IMO

 

[PingTheRouter]

Some phones are manufactured to specific country requirements I was told.

phones are made for different markets, the 4G we use here is on a different band(s) Telstra/Optus etc than it is in the usa/eur

 

[JWSleuth]

When I was os my phone wouldn't work in US and some Euro countries. Was told it was something to do with how electronic circuits communicated. Some phones are manufactured to specific country requirements I was told. IMO

True they may do to specs per country. I’d only be guessing but I’m sure I saw a recent Aus case do this. Will look into

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

I don't know whether Police have the power to prevent media coverage of a search site.

I would imagine Police are able to set up a crime scene exclusionary barrier but they cannot IMO stop anyone using long range lens to capture footage whilst the photographer is positioned back from the barrier.

Rock and a hard place situation. We would complain if we couldn't view images of searches. When we are shown such images its too much coverage. IMO

Stand to be corrected.

Yep not hard to erect some screening. The public don't need to be privy to everything. This search seems to be inviting media coverage. Can you imagine being William's bio mum seeing them find a Spiderman suit. Totally unnecessary IMO

 

[JWSleuth]

phones are made for different markets, the 4G we use here is on a different band(s) Telstra/Optus etc than it is in the usa/eur

Thank you! I’ll stand corrected until hear otherwise!

 

[sniffsniffcough]

Rosann would have access to the data from that time, they would have requested it at the time, so no need to go back and get it, they would have obtained it already. My point is, they don't seem to be looking closely at anyone out of the area, FF and locals so far .. does that mean the data indicated there was nobody there that shouldn't be?

If so the potential suspect list is small.

Agreed! Investigations normally gain a number of POIs and then they are whittled away by IMO

 

[JWSleuth]

“Unbeknown to many, however, is that even if a phone is turned off, it runs a hidden operating system that is always turned on.”


Is our every move being tracked?