Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #73

[iiiii's]

It occurs to me that if the FFFC was publicly identified at the beginning of the investigation, there may have been more evidence in regards to her involvement. and now that the detective has had his views of her shared in the public domain, she has every reason to keep seeking for her identity to be suppressed by law. If she was receiving threats before, I can only think that will increase now, while this remains unresolved. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

It is straight up abuse and is extremely disturbing. I am actually shocked they were allowed to foster more children after William disappeared, but it seems authorities thought they were 'good foster parents' oh how wrong they were.

I am surprised that the foster care crisis in NSW (and probably the rest of Australia) is not better understood.
Where do they put these children? There are evidently not enough people standing in line to assist.

The govt can't do it all - not without plenty of concerned citizens stepping up to help out, or without a return to institutionalised care in ominous govt-run buildings (we know how well that went).

It seems the kincare option is not on the table for some/many of these removed children, for whatever reason. Even though it is the preferred option by DCJ, once the efforts to have biological parents provide a safe environment for the children have been exhausted.

I am concerned for Lindsay, because at 12 years old and having exhibited problematic behaviour, finding continuing foster care for her may be difficult.

 

[nightrider17]

William Tyrrell’s former foster mother knows where he is, NSW detective tells court

Det Sgt Andrew Lonergan ‘formed the view’ that the woman knows the location of the missing boy

www.theguardian.com

What this makes me feel - That this wooden spoon incident - is not the first time this child has been disciplined this way.

When the FFC says "Where did you put the wooden spoon"

If the child is hiding the wooden spoon - it's happened before. It's really concerning.

I originally thought it was a snap response after being put under duress (FFC) - but I am now thinking that this has happened to this child before -and possibly it didn't leave a welt. Just my interpretation. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

William Tyrrell’s former foster mother knows where he is, NSW detective tells court

Det Sgt Andrew Lonergan ‘formed the view’ that the woman knows the location of the missing boy

www.theguardian.com

What this makes me feel - That this wooden spoon incident - is not the first time this child has been disciplined this way.

When the FFC says "Where did you put the wooden spoon"

If the child is hiding the wooden spoon - it's happened before. It's really concerning.

I originally thought it was a snap response after being put under duress (FFC) - but I am now thinking that this has happened to this child before -and possibly it didn't leave a welt. Just my interpretation. MOO

I don't understand why, if the wooden spoon incident happened in January, the police didn't inform DCJ at that time.

Instead they continued to 'actively monitor' the house and children.

Did they on the one hand not think it was serious enough to have the children removed, and on the other hand think it was serious enough to charge FM close to a year later?

 

[nightrider17]

Also using a wooden spoon on someone that is 10 years old - someone who at 10 could speak out, to use a wooden spoon to discipline.

Consider:

A slap on the back of the leg.

Hitting someone with a wooden spoon.

That is a someone that is very confident in their position over the other person. MOO

 

[nightrider17]

So Why did the police not inform DCJ at the time?

I am thinking that the girl revealed something to her teacher? Maybe the teacher informed or documented what the child revealed.

I guess when they first put listening devices into their home - they had sufficient cause to have this permission.

I don't think that is a regular occurence.

So actively monitoring - would take time to gather evidence, of further conversations between all parties and how they were going to act as a couple - to explain this incident if it ever got raised. I think putting it down to a horse incident is quite manipulative, with no remorse.

Protecting themselves - rather than admitting they need help to resolve issues with a new foster child and how that impacts the existing foster child. It is fine to blame the foster child but what were they doing to address this isssue besides a wooden spoon. I guess I expected more from a couple who are so insightful. And pressures aside - they have the awareness to handle this is a much more civilised manner, I am just really suprised it came to that. MOO

 

[Detective Willy]

The Daily Mail are now calling William "Australia's Madeleine McCann".

Foster Mother Accused in 2014 Disappearance of Australia’s ‘Madeleine McCann’

 

[bearbear]

Sorry, can't keep up... what is IBM?

italics by me?

 

[JLZ]

I am surprised that the foster care crisis in NSW (and probably the rest of Australia) is not better understood.
Where do they put these children? There are evidently not enough people standing in line to assist.

The govt can't do it all - not without plenty of concerned citizens stepping up to help out, or without a return to institutionalised care in ominous govt-run buildings (we know how well that went).

It seems the kincare option is not on the table for some/many of these removed children, for whatever reason. Even though it is the preferred option by DCJ, once the efforts to have biological parents provide a safe environment for the children have been exhausted.

I am concerned for Lindsay, because at 12 years old and having exhibited problematic behaviour, finding continuing foster care for her may be difficult.

IMO--it isn't the lack of 'concerned citizens'. There isn't the moderately affluent demographic that there used to be, with a spare study-bedroom and a backyard and one half of a couple able not to work full-time. We are struggling to house ourselves.

 

[bearbear]

I don't understand why, if the wooden spoon incident happened in January, the police didn't inform DCJ at that time.

Instead they continued to 'actively monitor' the house and children.

Did they on the one hand not think it was serious enough to have the children removed, and on the other hand think it was serious enough to charge FM close to a year later?

maybe they had to weigh up whether it was more important to find william, lyndsey being collateral damage?
amd knowing in time they could have more charges and lyndsey would be eventually moved to safety?

 

[Chrissy74]

I am surprised that the foster care crisis in NSW (and probably the rest of Australia) is not better understood.
Where do they put these children? There are evidently not enough people standing in line to assist.

The govt can't do it all - not without plenty of concerned citizens stepping up to help out, or without a return to institutionalised care in ominous govt-run buildings (we know how well that went).

It seems the kincare option is not on the table for some/many of these removed children, for whatever reason. Even though it is the preferred option by DCJ, once the efforts to have biological parents provide a safe environment for the children have been exhausted.

I am concerned for Lindsay, because at 12 years old and having exhibited problematic behaviour, finding continuing foster care for her may be difficult.

This situation is unacceptable and it did not occur overnight. For years, the child protection system has been stressed by under-resourcing, out-dated case management systems and a lack of quality placement options, to name just a few pressures.
Major reforms require urgent attention to ensure the safety and well being of children and young people.they include:
-intensive family support services to assist and strengthen families to keep children safely supported at home where appropriate
-better resources for the Department and community agencies
-training and professional development and emotional support for its workers
- adequate training and support for foster carers
AND
If a child is removed from its natural family because of abuse, the Department has to promise the child that they have been placed somewhere better and safer. We cannot afford to further fail these vulnerable children.

 

[LolaAngelina]

I don't understand why, if the wooden spoon incident happened in January, the police didn't inform DCJ at that time.

Instead they continued to 'actively monitor' the house and children.

Did they on the one hand not think it was serious enough to have the children removed, and on the other hand think it was serious enough to charge FM close to a year later?

That’s what l don’t understand? The incident happened in Jan 21. They obviously had what they needed to charge them with assault and have the child removed immediately. Instead she was left there until November because the police wanted to set up the foster parents with the crime commission. So how does the safety of the child come first? She said she was afraid to go home, yet they left her there so they could add another minor charge?

 

[Lemony]

Lia Harris has tweeted that FM has been found not guilty of lying to the Crime Commision.

 

[SouthAussie]

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Magistrate Miranda Moody on Friday found the woman not guilty of knowingly giving false or misleading evidence.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/breaking-news/tyrrell-foster-mother-not-guilty-of-lying-to-nsw-crime-commission/news-story/33f4659bc26aafdd9e4b05dbd33409c3

All the articles (it is breaking across them all) say 'more to come'. Perhaps more details will soon be available.

 

[PingTheRouter]

I think they all have their sources. And if anything had been found, there would have been movement in the case.

The police do not have to wait for any Coronial recommendation to make an arrest (or not).

this is what i think too, if they had found anything during that extensive dig operation, it would have leaked by now

i don't think they really found much tbh, so for them to say they know where he is.. its all words until something actually is found and someone is charged

 

[SouthAussie]

That’s what l don’t understand? The incident happened in Jan 21. They obviously had what they needed to charge them with assault and have the child removed immediately. Instead she was left there until November because the police wanted to set up the foster parents with the crime commission. So how does the safety of the child come first? She said she was afraid to go home, yet they left her there so they could add another minor charge?

Well, seems it gets even worse. Because now it is a minor charge that didn't hold up in court.

 

[SouthAussie]

Seems that the magistrate thinks FM probably didn't lie. FM apparently admitted to the other incident during the Crime Commission hearing.



Magistrate Miranda Moody said she could not "discount the possibility she was mistaken and did not deliberately lie" to the commission, because she made such prompt admissions of hitting and kicking the child in other instances during the hearing.

The woman responded "yes" to questions put to her during the hearing including "did you ever hit (the child)?" and "did you ever kick (the child)?".

"Have you ever hit her with a wooden spoon?" Detective Sergeant Andrew Lonergan asked her.

"Never," she responded.

The magistrate said she "might have taken a different view had she denied ever hitting or kicking (the child)".

Tyrrell's foster mum acquitted of lying

The foster mother of missing boy William Tyrrell did not lie to the NSW Crime Commission about hitting a different foster child with a wooden spoon, a magistrate has...

www.denipt.com.au

 

[katydid23]

That’s a big statement to make. Would it be police protocol to recklessly release that information in the midst of an investigation. I don’t think so. I think Detective Sergeant Andrew Lonergans words to SD in court today tell a very powerful message. The message being “everyone knows”. And by everyone I mean the awoken. The truth seekers. The warriors for W. The evidence is out there now for all to see. Posted all over multiple social media platforms. It doesn’t take a scientist to put the pieces of this puzzle together. I believe LE have given their everything at putting the pieces of the puzzle together and just because there’s one piece missing doesn’t mean the rest of the pieces don’t fit

What kind of puzzle? A 'speculation' puzzle has been put together by some of the task force. They have a plausible theory.

But the problem is that there seems to be no evidence at this point, or at the initial investigation, that this theory is correct.

 

[LolaAngelina]

Seems that the magistrate thinks FM probably didn't lie. FM apparently admitted to the other incident during the Crime Commission hearing.



Magistrate Miranda Moody said she could not "discount the possibility she was mistaken and did not deliberately lie" to the commission, because she made such prompt admissions of hitting and kicking the child in other instances during the hearing.

The woman responded "yes" to questions put to her during the hearing including "did you ever hit (the child)?" and "did you ever kick (the child)?".

"Have you ever hit her with a wooden spoon?" Detective Sergeant Andrew Lonergan asked her.

"Never," she responded.

The magistrate said she "might have taken a different view had she denied ever hitting or kicking (the child)".

Tyrrell's foster mum acquitted of lying

The foster mother of missing boy William Tyrrell did not lie to the NSW Crime Commission about hitting a different foster child with a wooden spoon, a magistrate has...

www.denipt.com.au

So she admitted to other things but specifically the spoon? What a waste of time to charge her for lying for that!

 

[katydid23]

But maybe there was no blood. Like just if bones broken.

If he fell from the upper balcony, there would have been blood, most likely. JMO