Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #73

[Chrissy74]

Because I think, the FPs didn't murder little W, he could be living somewhere indeed. Years ago, I thought, he could have been pimped to look like a little girl, hair grown long. But what, when he began to visit school? Then it would have been impossible (nearly) to have him living as a girl, IMO.

Because I think, the FPs didn't murder little W, he could be living somewhere indeed. Years ago, I thought, he could have been pimped to look like a little girl, hair grown long. But what, when he began to visit school? Then it would have been impossible (nearly) to have him living as a girl, IMO.

What about accidental death and intentional cover up? Do you not believe there is enough evidence to warrant an accidental death occurred that day rather than a murder?

 

[they'll get you]

What about accidental death and intentional cover up? Do you not believe there is enough evidence to warrant an accidental death occurred that day rather than a murder?

This is intriguing, could you fill me in on the evidence to warrant an accidental death please?

 

[FromGermany1]

What about accidental death and intentional cover up? Do you not believe there is enough evidence to warrant an accidental death occurred that day rather than a murder?

When discussing with my friend, she always thinks of an accidental death. I for my part can't imagine it. And I think, time was too short for an unplanned cover-up.
An accidental death you wouldn't plan and can't plan. A fake-"kidnapping" you CAN plan. And your mother (FGM) could have agreed to your plan possibly, if she wasn't herself the one with the plan. No death, no feel of guilt, maybe. IMO MOO

ETA: I believe, FGM knew, that her daughter was overwhelmed with the two children's raise and especially with little W's.

 

[Couldbe]

I think that we have to accept that there is no evidence to support an abduction of William.

We have been led to believe by both FFC and MFC that an abduction occurred because little William wasn’t a wanderer.

 

[FromGermany1]

I think that we have to accept that there is no evidence to support an abduction of William.

We have been led to believe by both FFC and MFC that an abduction occurred because little William wasn’t a wanderer.

Waiting for any development .......

 

[Chrissy74]

When discussing with my friend, she always thinks of an accidental death. I for my part can't imagine it. And I think, time was too short for an unplanned cover-up.
An accidental death you wouldn't plan and can't plan. A fake-"kidnapping" you CAN plan. And your mother (FGM) could have agreed to your plan possibly, if she wasn't herself the one with the plan. No death, no feel of guilt, maybe. IMO MOO

ETA: I believe, FGM knew, that her daughter was overwhelmed with the two children's raise and especially with little W's.

It all comes back to the timeline which has been “the” topic of debate. We still don’t know for certain what time the mfc left the house and what time he arrived home. Was it one trip or 2? Neighbours say they heard him yelling out for W but what time was that exactly? Did he return via Benaroon Drive or perhaps the dirt track? I’m not accusing just revising. When did Ffc go for her drive and why the secrecy behind it? If the Ffc had help in moving W to another location then an accident and cover up is definitely possible.

 

[nightrider17]

I worked with a lady who took her young children out of school for 1 year and travelled around Australia in a caravan and did homeschooling. She said that there was many families doing this also.

So this might be a way to not have any community ties for long periods if always on the move. Moo

 

[LolaAngelina]

I think that we have to accept that there is no evidence to support an abduction of William.

We have been led to believe by both FFC and MFC that an abduction occurred because little William wasn’t a wanderer.

I think we have to accept there is no evidence of anything at this stage. The police don’t just decide on something because the fosters said so. Jubelin came to the conclusion he was taken.

 

[deugirtni]

I do online school in NSW, its an extremely hard process to get into, it took a whole year to be properly enrolled. You must apply and have a valid reason to attend such as a distance barrier or mental/physical health. Education plans must be made and the child must be in close contact with the school provider, they must also have a 'supervisor.' In this area it is quite uncommon to do schooling from home, so if William was it would be known by somebody unless he is going by another name.

IF someone had him, and was therefore homeschooling him, he'd def be going by another name. Would be interested to know if LE has done any checks into homeschoolers.. but I guess he could be in any jurisdiction, so overwhelming to consider such a thing.

 

[MaisieBella]

Unless no one was ever meant to know about it…

 

[Couldbe]

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When FFC originally decided to make her Batar Creek Road trip, I wonder why she didn't turn into Ellendale Crescent looking for William .... because William would most likely remember being there:

“December 2013 (if not 12 months earlier): William, his sister and foster parents attend a Christmas street party on the corner of Ellendale Crescent and Benaroon Drive, Kendall.”
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/p...e/news-story/38baa59f1db54e441f01cc11a6af6eba

 

[Chrissy74]

When FFC originally decided to make her Batar Creek Road trip, I wonder why she didn't turn into Ellendale Crescent looking for William .... because William would most likely remember being there:

“December 2013 (if not 12 months earlier): William, his sister and foster parents attend a Christmas street party on the corner of Ellendale Crescent and Benaroon Drive, Kendall.”
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/p...e/news-story/38baa59f1db54e441f01cc11a6af6eba

The thing is Coulbe how do we know for certain where exactly the Ffc drove to that morning other than what we can gather from the 1inch edited version of the walkthrough that was released. We know from that footage she drove slow up Mrrrrrr then got to the riding school back up Batar creek rd pulled over waved at a truck driver windows were down head out the window looking for W then back to her mums house. Surely there’s at least another 25 or so more minutes of that footage that could help fill in the blanks. But Driving down the closet street to where W went missing before heading off anywhere else seems the logical thing to do.

 

[Detective Willy]

In the absence of any strong evidence of what really happened to William, we can only focus on the things that we do know, things that we have seen with our own eyes and heard with our own ears. These include:

1) 000 call
2) Interviews
3) Statements
4) History of William
5) News reports
6) Charges against FFC and MFC

When we start at NUMBER 1, I have immediately doubted the subsequent comments from the FFC that are contradictory to things she said in the 000 call. This cannot be disputed. In many prosecutions the perpetrator is caught out by the lies they tell and obvious changes to their stories later on.

Why has FFC changed her story many times since the 000 call? Why has FFC been very evasive when answering direct questions about William that morning, trying to give colourful and descriptive answers instead of direct and concise?

If there was information to focus on another POI I would, but I can't simply focus on the boogie man.

 

[LolaAngelina]

In the absence of any strong evidence of what really happened to William, we can only focus on the things that we do know, things that we have seen with our own eyes and heard with our own ears. These include:

1) 000 call
2) Interviews
3) Statements
4) History of William
5) News reports
6) Charges against FFC and MFC

When we start at NUMBER 1, I have immediately doubted the subsequent comments from the FFC that are contradictory to things she said in the 000 call. This cannot be disputed. In many prosecutions the perpetrator is caught out by the lies they tell and obvious changes to their stories later on.

Why has FFC changed her story many times since the 000 call? Why has FFC been very evasive when answering direct questions about William that morning, trying to give colourful and descriptive answers instead of direct and concise?

If there was information to focus on another POI I would, but I can't simply focus on the boogie man.

BBM what inconsistencies? Everything about this case can and has been disputed. People interpret things differently.
Has FFC changed her story or has it been reported differently? I would be more concerned if she recited the days events word for word everytime

 

[Detective Willy]

BBM what inconsistencies? Everything about this case can and has been disputed. People interpret things differently.
Has FFC changed her story or has it been reported differently? I would be more concerned if she recited the days events word for word everytime

1) At 2 minutes 08 seconds operator says "there wasn't anyone suspicious in the area, any vehicles?"

FFC says "no,no,no" about 5 times.

Days later FFC describes the 2 or 3 suspicious cars in the street and each new time she talked about the cars she "added extra mayo", even describing the colours of the vehicles, the sound of the vehicles, her 5 year old daugher allegedly noticing the vehicles, the body shape and description of the driver of the vehicles.

Remembering all of the details with so much clarity later from the "no, no, no, no, no" answer does not gel IMO.

Other contradictions have been picked up but if you don't think this alone is a contradiction then I don't see the point in listing the others.

 

[Marg944]

FMFC was due to have his NSWCC case heard tomorrow, for 2 days. For the past couple of weeks there have been whispers that the case is not going ahead now until January 2023. Hard to know.

 

[Shadow@light]

IF someone had him, and was therefore homeschooling him, he'd def be going by another name. Would be interested to know if LE has done any checks into homeschoolers.. but I guess he could be in any jurisdiction, so overwhelming to consider such a thing.

I agree deugirtni, it is easy to use a another child identification and be in a remote area of Australia. IMO there is enough text books/online around to teach a child. My child Autism Spectrum this year has rarely step into school, the school and education board understand, I signed up into coolaustralia.org, which give different levels of school grades and actitives in Social Studies, Science , Media etc. I also contact a couple tutors company online such as this year , all I say is they asked me child name, what grade, what state what was the problem, which I was in . In a drop of a hat I had Maths and English arranged, pay for each session on computer without prove of Identification of my child. It is a trust thing when you sign up.

 

[JLZ]

I agree deugirtni, it is easy to use a another child identification and be in a remote area of Australia. IMO there is enough text books/online around to teach a child. My child Autism Spectrum this year has rarely step into school, the school and education board understand, I signed up into coolaustralia.org, which give different levels of school grades and actitives in Social Studies, Science , Media etc. I also contact a couple tutors company online such as this year , all I say is they asked me child name, what grade, what state what was the problem, which I was in . In a drop of a hat I had Maths and English arranged, pay for each session on computer without prove of Identification of my child. It is a trust thing when you sign up.

You say you don't need to prove ID with the online provider, but what about with the government when you request registration to homeschool?

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[SouthAussie]

1) At 2 minutes 08 seconds operator says "there wasn't anyone suspicious in the area, any vehicles?"

FFC says "no,no,no" about 5 times.

Days later FFC describes the 2 or 3 suspicious cars in the street and each new time she talked about the cars she "added extra mayo", even describing the colours of the vehicles, the sound of the vehicles, her 5 year old daugher allegedly noticing the vehicles, the body shape and description of the driver of the vehicles.

Remembering all of the details with so much clarity later from the "no, no, no, no, no" answer does not gel IMO.

Other contradictions have been picked up but if you don't think this alone is a contradiction then I don't see the point in listing the others.

Well, there weren't any suspicious vehicles in the area at the time William went missing.
The vehicles were all there earlier than that. Over an hour earlier for the car that turned around and drove away, and likely longer than that for the 2 vehicles on the street.

It's not like she could say "oh yes, I saw a black sedan on the street right before William disappeared". Those cars she had seen were gone well prior to that.

Time had passed. It is only on the thinking back later on that other details are remembered. Ones that may or may not have some significance.

imo

 

[SouthAussie]

You say you don't need to prove ID with the online provider, but what about with the government when you request registration to homeschool?

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"Unregistered homeschool numbers are hard to estimate but some believe it to be at least 30% of the general homeschool community. Reasons for not registering include the difficult registration process, parents travelling, and educational autonomy for the parents."

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