Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #20

[bearbear]

i googled "group of paedophiles snatch child" and got this.... and im sure there are many more examples, this example seems very extreme though...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ducted-children-and-drugged-them-1559081.html

 

[Rayemonde]

i googled "group of paedophiles snatch child" and got this.... and im sure there are many more examples, this example seems very extreme though...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ducted-children-and-drugged-them-1559081.html

Good grief, how horrific Thanks, I had never heard of this case.

 

[Angeline]

i googled "group of paedophiles snatch child" and got this.... and im sure there are many more examples, this example seems very extreme though...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ducted-children-and-drugged-them-1559081.html

Ughh... what is it with caravans?

 

[frogwell]

If it was a targeted abduction and WT was chosen due to the difficulties an investigation would take due to his circumstances, then hopefully all people who were informed that he was a foster child, have/are being looked into.

 

[deugirtni]

Originally Posted by deugirtni

<modsnip> I am merely proposing that when it comes to child *advertiser censored* and child sex abuse, the in-person options are not anywhere similar, and are very very limited, if they even exist at all.

FYI. This publication is all you will ever need to know about 'child molesters', (all 212 pages of it):

http://www.missingkids.org/en_US/publications/NC70.pdf

Thank you so much for this. Could you point out the pages where it pertains to what you were responding to, that being the 'in-person' opportunities for pedophiles to get together? Thank you in advance.

 

[deugirtni]

Jubelin, from an article: February 19, 2015:

He said: &#8220;I would have to say it&#8217;s opportunistic and it was a very narrow window of opportunity. We&#8217;re only talking about a minute or two when William was not supervised ... Someone has come across William and seen an opportunity and seized on the opportunity.&#8221;

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...t/news-story/8ec7367f36aeaf80bfd2e9b3f4986455

The criminal profiler used by the taskforce working on WT's case:

She added there was also only a narrow window of opportunity to take the child from outside the property, which is in a dead-end street.


"It does seem that this was an opportunistic crime and when somebody makes that kind of impulsive decision, mistakes are made and it's those kind of mistakes that the investigation is focusing on," she said.


The head of the investigation, Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, said the kidnapper would have taken some tremendous risks.


"The kidnapping occurred on a Friday around 10:30am," he said.


"It was broad daylight and whoever abducted him risked being seen from the balcony of William's grandmother's home as well as neighbouring properties."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-...t-suspected-william-tyrrell-kidnapper/6771350

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After all of this time, it seems that nobody has come forward to say they saw someone in the area that day who did not belong, who had no reason to be there, etc. That would suggest that perhaps they should be focusing on the people who DID have reason to be there. Someone who perhaps would NOT have been noticed.

I would be very interested to know which residents have moved out of their homes since the day WT disappeared. With all of the publicity surrounding this case, there is nothing to say that a home is exempt from being searched even years after the fact, if it remains unsolved. So *if* it could have been a nearby occupant, their best bet would have been to simply move out of the home they were in at the time, the home that may have, or may have had, trace evidence.

I wonder if LE has approached things from that angle?

 

[Bohemian]

because a lot of paedophiles have access to their own or children in their care, they have no need to steal a child, and if they have no child in their family i imagine its quite easy to spot a neglected or lonely neighbourhood child to befriend and groom with gifts and babysitting etc, or they work with children or belong to clubs or sport groups as coaches scout masters etc, so it does seem quite odd in this case that these named pois would need to steal a child, because most of them had ready access in their families or clubs etc. unless as the profiler suggested the perp may have thought of doing this for a long time and couldnt abuse children in their own family?
i wonder if william was taken to order and someone paid for him or was he taken because he seemed an easy target because he was a foster child, did they think he wasnt as precious as a child in a bio family ?

I really think it the first factor was William's age. Maybe his gender was just as relevant (or not?) I really don't have any theory as to why he was taken; to be someone's surrogate child or to satisfy someone's sexual or homicidal urge, etc?

Yes, I think you're right. I agree that's absolutely what the profiler was getting at. If the perpetrator is a child sex offender or murderer, William may be the first child on which they have enacted their fantasies. Conversely, he could also be the victim of someone who has done this before.

If so, I lean toward it being an 'acquaintance abduction', ie, someone William had met before; perhaps at his FGF's funeral or subsequently. I think the perpetrator is/was very 'close to home' and, for some reason, they have been overlooked.

Just by the by, when I was only a little older than William, I would always wait at the front fence for my much-loved Pop. One day I grabbed a random elder gentleman's hand and dragged him inside because I was convinced he was my Grandfather (my Mum said he did look like my Pop). It could have ended badly had he been a child sex offender/murderer.

I sometimes think we forget how our little brains work at that age, ie, if we want something to be true it is (otherwise known as our imagination). It's easy to believe we're a superhero, or that a if stranger is friendly or ingratiating they can be trusted, or someone our family knows or we've seen before is 'safe'. We're so innocent until the 'School of Life' teaches us not to be.

 

[Bohemian]

Jubelin, from an article: February 19, 2015:

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...t/news-story/8ec7367f36aeaf80bfd2e9b3f4986455

The criminal profiler used by the taskforce working on WT's case:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-...t-suspected-william-tyrrell-kidnapper/6771350

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After all of this time, it seems that nobody has come forward to say they saw someone in the area that day who did not belong, who had no reason to be there, etc. That would suggest that perhaps they should be focusing on the people who DID have reason to be there. Someone who perhaps would NOT have been noticed.

I would be very interested to know which residents have moved out of their homes since the day WT disappeared. With all of the publicity surrounding this case, there is nothing to say that a home is exempt from being searched even years after the fact, if it remains unsolved. So *if* it could have been a nearby occupant, their best bet would have been to simply move out of the home they were in at the time, the home that may have, or may have had, trace evidence.

I wonder if LE has approached things from that angle?

Snap!

 

[Bohemian]

Thank you so much for this. Could you point out the pages where it pertains to what you were responding to, that being the 'in-person' opportunities for pedophiles to get together? Thank you in advance.

It's just a general paper on child sex offenders, different types, etc and something you can read at your leisure. There's an index at the front.

The author of this paper wrote an earlier (and more relevant one to the above) one in 1992 entitled 'Child Sex Rings: A Behavioral Analysis'. About 4 year's over the 10 year cutoff for current reference material but still somewhat relevant, I think:

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/149214NCJRS.pdf

An example of a prolific child sex ring would be P.I.E. in Britain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange

leading to the current investigation known as "Elm Guest House Child Abuse Scandal':

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_Guest_House_child_abuse_scandal

The Australian Institute of Criminology has a great online reference library too.

 

[Found]

I completey believe this was opportunistic. I think the perps were locals and drove around looking for a child. Found some who were home that day playing in the yard as many would of been at preschool, school etc. Saw them playing in the drive around 9am, waited somewhere near the street or someone one of them on foot waiting for their chance. Saw the kids playing again at 1030 then pounced. The fact the family came early shows it was not premeditated. It's always said why there as a dead end etc but why anywhere? There is heaps of offenders in the area and many houses would larger properties, dead ends etc. Dear William was at the wrong place at the wrong time.


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[Angeline]

Maybe when William's dad took off, the perps thought the kids had been left alone? A long shot but it is a coincidence that it happened after dad took off.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/a/3093...se-and-claims-he-didnt-care-if-he-was-caught/

'Evil depraved monster' pedophile shares chilling details of abuse and claims he didn't care if he was caught

"I didn't want to be this way&#8230; it's hard to describe how much you hate yourself," he told the commission.

"My whole life has been a fear people would find out."

Despite this, McCoole said he did not care if he was caught and said there was little logic to choosing victims.

 

[gregjrichards]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/a/3093...se-and-claims-he-didnt-care-if-he-was-caught/

'Evil depraved monster' pedophile shares chilling details of abuse and claims he didn't care if he was caught

"I didn't want to be this way… it's hard to describe how much you hate yourself," he told the commission.

"My whole life has been a fear people would find out."

Despite this, McCoole said he did not care if he was caught and said there was little logic to choosing victims.

Thanks for your post. I'm really struggling to believe they truly hate themselves I bet the vast majority feel no remorse at all.

 

[SouthAussie]

I completey believe this was opportunistic. I think the perps were locals and drove around looking for a child. Found some who were home that day playing in the yard as many would of been at preschool, school etc. Saw them playing in the drive around 9am, waited somewhere near the street or someone one of them on foot waiting for their chance. Saw the kids playing again at 1030 then pounced. The fact the family came early shows it was not premeditated. It's always said why there as a dead end etc but why anywhere? There is heaps of offenders in the area and many houses would larger properties, dead ends etc. Dear William was at the wrong place at the wrong time.


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I think it was opportunistic too, but in a different way.
To me, it is likely that the person who had a reason to go there that morning, did go there. Unplanned (the abduction), unrehearsed, but it happened. Then he spent time covering his tracks, deleting call records, perhaps rushing to get to the school to see some of the school assembly.
KISS keep it simple Sam
Often the most obvious thing is the correct one.

The other theory that I think is plausible is that a person living on the street did this. I have often wondered if the police dogs were present during those 3 or more times that the properties on the street were searched.


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[Angeline]

I think it was opportunistic too, but in a different way.
To me, it is likely that the person who had a reason to go there that morning, did go there. Unplanned (the abduction), unrehearsed, but it happened. Then he spent time covering his tracks, deleting call records, perhaps rushing to get to the school to see some of the school assembly.
KISS keep it simple Sam
Often the most obvious thing is the correct one.

The other theory that I think is plausible is that a person living on the street did this. I have often wondered if the police dogs were present during those 3 or more times that the properties on the street were searched.


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I agree that's the simplest explanation. Police have complicated things with the attention on the 2 cars... for whatever reason.

 

[louisepiglet]

I agree that's the simplest explanation. Police have complicated things with the attention on the 2 cars... for whatever reason.

BBM
The two cars worry me also. I have been thinking this for a while. I will probably be shouted down but here goes. I think the police asked the FM to say she saw these particular cars. I dont think she did. If she had then LE would have asked for anyone who saw or had info on these cars ASAP Not wait months when peoples memories become hazy. I think they are trying to put the scare into someone. The cars description were of cars owned by the persons LE suspect. I think this was part of their "strategy"

 

[purpleandgreen]

I must admit louisepiglet that that thought crossed my mind too, but then maybe she did tell them and the police just didn't release that information at the time for whatever reason. Or, is that one of lies that Caroline Overington was referring to? Who knows what to think anymore?

But whatever the truth is, at least some of these slime have been outed and /or charged. That has to make for justice and better safety for our kids.

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BBM
The two cars worry me also. I have been thinking this for a while. I will probably be shouted down but here goes. I think the police asked the FM to say she saw these particular cars. I dont think she did. If she had then LE would have asked for anyone who saw or had info on these cars ASAP Not wait months when peoples memories become hazy. I think they are trying to put the scare into someone. The cars description were of cars owned by the persons LE suspect. I think this was part of their "strategy"

 

[asac]

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BBM
The two cars worry me also. I have been thinking this for a while. I will probably be shouted down but here goes. I think the police asked the FM to say she saw these particular cars. I dont think she did. If she had then LE would have asked for anyone who saw or had info on these cars ASAP Not wait months when peoples memories become hazy. I think they are trying to put the scare into someone. The cars description were of cars owned by the persons LE suspect. I think this was part of their "strategy"

I certainly have a couple of questions as to WHY, if FM reported the car sightings to police when William disappeared, and WHY, when there was a 3 year old boy gone with responding officers thinking something seemed off about the situation, the information about cars sighted there that day was NOT released to the public until a year later (was it a year, around that wasn't it, I forget)...

 

[purpleandgreen]

Or was it longer? I forget too.

I certainly have a couple of questions as to WHY, if FM reported the car sightings to police when William disappeared, and WHY, when there was a 3 year old boy gone with responding officers thinking something seemed off about the situation, the information about cars sighted there that day was NOT released to the public until a year later (was it a year, around that wasn't it, I forget)...

 

[richieswan]

The car info was released one year later, in the 60 minutes episode. It was not released in a police media statement, but on a TV show.
I can understand LE releasing bait or fake info to catch someone, but I really doubt they would ask FM to lie about it. She described the cars in a radio interview a few days (?) after 60 minutes. If it's fake info, then she is very good and describing false information. I don't buy that.

BUT, what if she recognised the cars. Maybe she had seen them parked in Sydney, or in lots of places..."there's those cars again". Then the night WT is missing it clicks, and she tells LE. That's a good enough reason for LE to play quiet while they follow that lead. For some reason it was time to release that info on TV, when LOTS of general public are watching. MOoooO