Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #44

[louisepiglet]

Double standard, the media are wrong when they report on BS and his alleged involvement but are suddenly correct when they report his possible innocence ?

BS and MS both indicated that he has been excluded as a POI and the media just showed that.

 

[Warshawski]

Yes, said that he "didn't see" the writing on the front of the van. Not that no writing was there.

If he was busy noticing the driver suspiciously ducking, and wondering why the heck the van was coming out of a bush track, it is very possible that he didn't see the writing in the minute or two it took him to drive past the van.
You know that way you can look right at something, and not notice something about it at the time? Because you see it all the time.

He must have seen Spedding's van many times, being a neighbour. I would go with his first instinct, if I was the Coroner. Not dismiss his statement, at this point in time.

Not in anyway to make lite of the situation, but to articulate how the mind may focus & engage other than what's right there in front of you....

Today a team member pointed out ' oh, .... You have a new meam on your board'
They're having fun, yet I noticed it for the first time then - only to be told it was stuck there at approx 3.15 pm on Friday !!!

Obviously I was otherwise focused. ..

 

[Warshawski]

yip not sure how you can sweetly talk about your own mental health while in the meantime creating mental health issues towards others and being a nasty nasty person with anyone who dosnt agree with you ... someone needs more help im thinking

Sorry, I'm not understanding. I may be behind & missing something but hope you would perhaps elaborate on your comments please

 

[Thebottomline]

BS and MS both indicated that he has been excluded as a POI and the media just showed that.

The media may have but the coroner in the inquest hasn’t AFAIK.

 

[louisepiglet]

The media may have but the coroner in the inquest hasn’t AFAIK.

The coroner may have told them.
BS and MS I mean.

 

[Thebottomline]

The coroner may have told them.
BS and MS I mean.

I’d highly doubt that. I can’t possibly imagine the coroner saying “ you’re good to go, I’ve ruled you out “ it’s to early to make any assumptions IMO. Going to shut up now, think spedding is not involved but don’t believe any official clarification.

 

[Warshawski]

True, and that is how you and I would think.

But there are people who don't want to get involved in any police investigation, and having someone like Peter O'Brien spouting off about considering suing the police dept could be enough to intimidate some people. Intimidate them enough to say "I'm outta here - they haven't found the little boy anyway".

I so get your comments SA. Without a doubt Peter O is great mouth machine & as I've said previously, I'm sure I've seen he's a Winner ..

At the same time - if I was accused of something I was innocent of (par

PS's testimony was really sketchy. And he had the perfect location and circumstances to commit this awful deed.

But he has no prior history of sexual crimes, as far as we know. It seems odd that a man never acts out for 60 plus years, and then suddenly kidnaps and kills a young neighbor child. It seems so unlikely to me.

Way, Way, Way out of left field - but did he perhaps provide a child for 'forest lady' ??

 

[deugirtni]

The washing machine repairman was calm as he answered questions at the inquest into the little boy’s disappearance on Monday, as his alibi for that morning appeared to become more concrete.

BILL SPEDDING FACES INQUIRY INTO DISAPPEARANCE OF WILLIAM TYRRELL | NBN News

Video in article showing BS having a beer when he was said to be acting suspiciously in the bush. That must have been on the 13th Sept...imo

I'm thinking that would've been when his neighbour said he saw 'what looked like' BS's van coming out of the bush, with head down to hide.. which I think was months later. jmo.

 

[Warshawski]

Hi WSers, long time observer of the thread, just pop in now and again.

EDIT: Sorry for posting when MS just started! Reply to me later!

I'm much like all of you, it's certainly confusing reading and viewing all the different directions, relationships and changing commentary. Where is William?

May I ask you to humour me for a moment. Can I please confirm my understanding, going right back to the start. I find that approach helps me if I'm trying to process lots of info! The last people to see WT alive were FM and FGM and WT's sister. That's been proven in court, I believe, not just through police statements clearing them but also CCTV cameras at McDonald's, etc, on the way to the FBM house and forensic photo time stamp checks, and the neighbours seeing (?) and hearing two children playing that morning. So that's proven. Correct?

FD had driven off to get better Skype connection reception and to go to chemist. I was thinking at one point perhaps to buy WT asthma medication. There is no question that WT was in the car with him, as that must have been proven beyond doubt, as LE indicated FPs are cleared.

So no accident at FGM house, no involvement of any of them. I would expect FPs and FGM (if still alive) would have testified in closed court already (sorry, I may have missed that).

So THEN my logical brain goes to the running off scenario (seems to be one of the points of this inquest...did he or didn't he...I believe it is essentially proven WT did not do this due to the extensive searching. EDIT: Maybe the inquest outcome will simply be that human intervention is the likely reason he is missing (not misadventure or immediate home environment). What did Daniel Morcombe's inquest finish stating? From there, didn't Cowan continue to be pursued by LE undercover after the inquest closed? EDIT TO ANSWER: Just looked it up, the DM coronial inquest ran Oct 2010 to April 2011 and was adjourned then. Cowan was charged Aug 2011. Inquest findings came out later.

Back to what happened to WT...to me, then my thinking starts to move on to third parties and all of these individuals at the inquest and perhaps others not yet summoned.

I just wanted to confirm my understanding above is correct. I absolutely respect and believe true all LE statements and hope my questions are within WS rules. Humbly all IMO.

On point White Lion

 

[Warshawski]

Unless they can verify with a corresponding bank statement, the receipt could be for anyone right?
IMO

Or - just playing devils advocate - it could be for one & another ( not necessarily being for BS & MS)

 

[Warshawski]

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 41s42 seconds ago
Jubelin asks Margaret in the video why she is so sure Bill was with her that day, but isn’t sure where they sat. “What I want you to explain is how you’re so convinced Bill was with you on that day,” he said. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 41s41 seconds ago
She tells him she is confident he was with her. She said they met for coffee beforehand and went together. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 28s29 seconds ago
Mrs Spedding tells the court she remembers the kids singing Hallelujah at the assembly that day. Others have testified about that song at the assembly throughout the inquest. @10Daily @10NewsFirst

I wonder if it's a standard doing at Assembly - in memories of my school assemblies, it certainly could be !

 

[Seabreeze1]

I still find it off that PS stated that he didn't see the children playing but thought there were two children. My neighbour has her grandkids next door all the time and while I can hear them I could never make an assumption of how many children are there.

And the fact he can't remember important details but can remember how many times he had tea and toast is odd.

 

[Warshawski]

maybe..i cant remember seeing them..i hope not

And with all respect 64, and also of the Cafe owners - unless they have absolute minimal clients per day - how can they be expected to remember ? Most especially since no pre warning of 'remember this',

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Here is a copy of a really old article I had in my archives:

Couple ‘on verge of nervous breakdowns’ over Tyrell search

January 23, 2015

A COUPLE whose home was searched in the hunt for missing toddler William Tyrell are on the “verge of nervous breakdowns” as they face weeks of uncertainty.

William “Bill” Spedding, 63, had his Bonny Hills family home searched for over two days before detectives removed police tape around the property today.

“We’re cooperating with the police,” Mr and Mrs Spedding told the Nine Network today.

“It has been very difficult. I wish to thank our family and friends for the overwhelming support we’ve received.

“We’ll get through this. We will.”

Mr Spedding had visited the home of the missing three-year-old’s grandmother in nearby Kendall last year, four days before the toddler disappeared.


The tradesman, who is not a suspect, had been there after a request for a quote on a washing machine repair but didn’t return to the home on the day William went missing.


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William and Margaret Spedding leave Port Macquarie police station on Friday. Photo: Kate Geraghty

Police also searched Mr Spedding’s business in Laurieton. Items seized include a mattress and computer, which will undergo potentially weeks of forensic examination.

Channel Nine reporter Chris O’Keefe interviewed Mr Spedding and his wife Margaret this morning for a report to be aired tonight. He said that the couple seemed fragile.

“He was very tired, very emotional and extremely upset about it,” O’Keefe told news.com.au

“Both said to me they were on the verge of nervous breakdowns, their life has been upturned.”

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Extremely upset: William Spedding. Picture: Lindsay Moller Source: News Corp Australia

Mr Spedding has denied having anything to do with William’s disappearance on September 12 and has volunteered to speak with police about the investigation despite not having been arrested or charged with any offence.

O’Keefe said the couple had not been back to their home since Tuesday morning, although police gave them the all-clear to return today.

“They are coping by sticking together (and) keeping a low profile.

“Knowing their family is sticking behind them, and believe their story 100 per cent is making it a bit easier.”

Mr Spedding became entangled in the investigation as he visited William’s grandmother’s home four days before he went missing for a washing machine repair quote.

A close friend said the tradesman had to source a spare part but never installed it after failing to get in contact with William’s grandmother on the morning of September 12.

In the afternoon he called again and spoke to William’s mother, during the early stages of a frantic search for her son.

“She said to Bill `I am afraid you won’t be able to come to do the job, we will call when we are able’,” his friend said.

I would have said, that the family is searching for their just missing little son with all people available and the repair of the washing machine would have to be postponed.
Why so very secretive with that drama, which really is a drama?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I still find it off that PS stated that he didn't see the children playing but thought there were two children. My neighbour has her grandkids next door all the time and while I can hear them I could never make an assumption of how many children are there.

And the fact he can't remember important details but can remember how many times he had tea and toast is odd.

If I would knew from talk with FGM and the Christmas session 2013, that there are normally two grandchildren visiting, a boy and a girl, then I think, I would recognize them by their voices. When I would hear them playing, I would think "oh, granddaughter and grandson are there, I know them and saw them, I hear the two children (crashing their bikes or calling or roaring ....)".

 

[Georgy]

I still havent eliminated Spedding.
I want to know why Margaret had to ask a psychic if her husband was involved.
Today should have been MS big day, i would have spent so much time asking everyone I had seen at the assembly, and all the parents of my grandchildrens friends where they sat at the assembly.
I would have arrived with a map as detailed as I possibly could.
I would not turn up and say vaguely that “I thought we sat outside” and the only pics we had fell down the toilet.

Ive eliminated PS but RD interests me and I’d love to know more about the woman living in caravan.

The only persons you can ask those questions is the media..they gave you what you wanted to hear..all the way along..

 

[kiwi50]

Maybe the other person in cafe was the third grandson, who for some reason caught the bus and did not get dropped off at school with the others.

 

[CuriousCritter]

Here's BS enjoying a beer at 0.27 on CCTV when he was supposedly coming out of the Bush acting suspiciously...No wonder Mr Pollard changed is evidence

Tyrrell inquest: Margaret Spedding gives evidence at inquest

 

[SouthAussie]

Maybe the other person in cafe was the third grandson, who for some reason caught the bus and did not get dropped off at school with the others.

Yes, I don't think they have really (publicly) nutted out Spedding's movements that day with any firm independent confirmation. Just several 'maybes' strung together.

This has certainly left questions in many people's minds. And the typical division of opinions.

The inquest really did not go far enough to prove (to the public) that he could or could not have been involved.

I am also not sure why Spedding had that piece of paper on the ready, to read out its contents as he left the inquest.
Perhaps his lawyer thought that it was the perfect venue for his own media campaign.

 

[SouthAussie]

The only persons you can ask those questions is the media..they gave you what you wanted to hear..all the way along..

Sorry? The only question that I saw in kiwi's post was about asking why Margaret had to ask a psychic if her husband was involved. Not sure how the media would know the answer to that question.