Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47

[deugirtni]

Yes. Same with Hillsley. He murdered a child victim - so the victim was not afforded that identification protection.

Daniel Morcombe's killer was not a relative nor someone close, so wouldn't he have been able to have been named anyway, and same for Hillsley, since his victim was also not a relative?

 

[rxume]

It's a beautiful area and Port Macquarie is a really well-appointed town.

I agree it's my home town and absolutely love it!

 

[JWSleuth]

Daniel Morcombe's killer was not a relative nor someone close, so wouldn't he have been able to have been named anyway, and same for Hillsley, since his victim was also not a relative?

It varies state to state in Australia but would you say Donohue and Abbott received some sort of protection until the inquest? It's illegal to out a pedophile. The law is utilised to decide if information should be suppressed which in times benefits the perp.

Australia is trying to work through this - hence push for sex offender register. It's not black and white.

In some regards BS had protection in the upcoming trials, wether he should have been identified in the media will be his case against NSW police.

On the otherhand, if someone is arrested for this type of case, and bail and court listings are public knowledge I'm not sure where this fits in the ability to report on or not. Some cases are put under pseudonyms which would be debated by the defendants lawyer or judge/magistrate. I'm not a lawyer so this is my assessment if what seems to happen.

The other matter is suppression to allow a fair trial and justice. Given there has been a multitude of trials in progress this could be another reason for non publication orders.

Edit...

So in short yes I agree eith SA that some peadophiles are inadvertantly protected where the law is used to do so. Right or wrong, yet other cases are in the news, regardless of the presumption of innocence or outcome of the case.

 

[mussopossum]

I am confused. Are you saying that as far as the laws and what the media are allowed to do, it's okay for the media to vilify in national media as a potential sex offender, someone who has never been convicted of sex offences, and bash them about for years as a person of interest in a missing child case without ever being charged, a case which has been touted to reportedly suspect pedophilic motives... but yet on the other hand, men who have actually been convicted of sex offences/child sex offences are protected from being named in the news??

I know that the monster Hillsley(sp?) has been named in the news in regard to his offences, and Daniel Morcombe's sexually deviant killer has been named? And that priest (Nicols?), and Bickford, and TJ.. have all been announced in media in regard to their convictions.. and now we also have Donohoe who has been named as a convicted sex offender.. they have even now named PS in relation to a potential stalking scenario, so what is the determining factor as to when a convicted offender can be named, and when he cannot be named?

Out curiosity is it anything to do with the age of the victims when the offender is tried and prosecuted or when it is later in the future given reference to? alive or deceased?

I mean if the child was under 16 at the time and / or is still under 16 when unable to be confirmed in MSM due to being a minor but maybe 10 years later the child is in their 20's and a similar case comes up and MSM want to give reference to that case and now the child is of legal adult age?

And if deceased that goes without saying.

I would like an understanding of this process too if anyone knows.

 

[mussopossum]

Sorry. I completely don't get this post.

My 'grrrr' in my post is me saying that Australia has a propensity for protecting the names of convicted child sex offenders. Almost everyone here wants a national public sex offender registry. We are slowly ... very slowly ... making our way towards that.

Do you feel those such as Jones, Bickford, Abbott, Donahoe etc or any other pedo would be embarrassed about being on a register?

I often wonder, It would help alert people in the neighborhood, workplace to avoid these individuals etc but I wonder how those who are convicted and especially repeat offenders would feel?

Would they care? Would they dispute it? would it curve their behavior?

Do Pedos beleive that they are doing wrong or think that their behavior and actions are normal?

I haven't done research on profiling of pedophiles only more the likes of serial killers so interested to know peoples thoughts on this.

I am all for this register 100% too, however, I also think Australia needs to step up in tougher convictions for this filth.

 

[SLouTh]

Re: this

I want to know if there's something unusual about the area and its attraction for these men - or if the actual truth is all areas are this concentrated with sex offenders and those suspected of sex offences, we just don't know it because there's no public registry here.

Small rural towns in close proximity to a Correctional Facility seem to have a high number of paedofiles living there ... trying to hide when they are released .., they don’t tend to go too far from the prison to settle as they only have limited financial resources.... small rural towns usually have lower living costs .... Kempsey Correctional Facility is only 50mins from Kendall itself ... this has been my professional experience ... MOO

 

[mussopossum]

I agree it's my home town and absolutely love it!

Close to mine too Spent loads time there growing up its such a beautiful town

 

[mussopossum]

Warshawski, you've mentioned your ipad not co=operating so many times I feel like I need to buy you a new one! Man it's driving me crazy!

My laptops a piece of poo too!

Maybe we should do a Powerball WS syndicate this week lol I definitely need a new one

 

[JWSleuth]

Out curiosity is it anything to do with the age of the victims when the offender is tried and prosecuted or when it is later in the future given reference to? alive or deceased?

I mean if the child was under 16 at the time and / or is still under 16 when unable to be confirmed in MSM due to being a minor but maybe 10 years later the child is in their 20's and a similar case comes up and MSM want to give reference to that case and now the child is of legal adult age?

And if deceased that goes without saying.

I would like an understanding of this process too if anyone knows.

Good example of suppression where victims family want him named. In this case:

“I am informed that in this matter identifying the offender would identify one or other of his victims who are both children.

The Children (Criminal Proceedings) Act prohibits the identification of a child victim of crime. There is an exception where the child is 16 or over, or the court considers it is in the public interest.

Adding in:
So suppression could be at arms length. They may not be related to the victim but either information in the case leads to, or includes evidence of a family related case IMO.

 

[JWSleuth]

Do you feel those such as Jones, Bickford, Abbott, Donahoe etc or any other pedo would be embarrassed about being on a register?

I often wonder, It would help alert people in the neighborhood, workplace to avoid these individuals etc but I wonder how those who are convicted and especially repeat offenders would feel?

Would they care? Would they dispute it? would it curve their behavior?

Do Pedos beleive that they are doing wrong or think that their behavior and actions are normal?

I haven't done research on profiling of pedophiles only more the likes of serial killers so interested to know peoples thoughts on this.

I am all for this register 100% too, however, I also think Australia needs to step up in tougher convictions for this filth.

100% they wouldn't like it.
I mean PB's explanation of it just being one child

And I do believe they don't see issue with what they have done - which is a hurdle in rehabilitation.

 

[JWSleuth]

My laptops a piece of poo too!

Maybe we should do a Powerball WS syndicate this week lol I definitely need a new one

Lols yes! I want to make a list but also need a better laptop/phone.

 

[JWSleuth]

Small rural towns in close proximity to a Correctional Facility seem to have a high number of paedofiles living there ... trying to hide when they are released .., they don’t tend to go too far from the prison to settle as they only have limited financial resources.... small rural towns usually have lower living costs .... Kempsey Correctional Facility is only 50mins from Kendall itself ... this has been my professional experience ... MOO

Could this be part of stage 1 rehab as well?

 

[SLouTh]

SA were all 21 houses searched by dogs as well?

I was thinking about wheelie bins...

Grim, I know.

This article implies that all the houses in Benaroon Drive were searched with Dogs...

With no trace of William, “after a week or two”, neighbour Paul Savage told news.com.au, “they got cadaver dogs”.

The houses in the Benaroon estate were searched a second and a third time.

From an article referenced here many times .. will edit and include link...,

Link - What happened on the day William Tyrrell vanished?

 

[Blues Clues]

I agree it's my home town and absolutely love it!

Mine too love this town and surrounding area as well.

 

[SouthAussie]

Daniel Morcombe's killer was not a relative nor someone close, so wouldn't he have been able to have been named anyway, and same for Hillsley, since his victim was also not a relative?

These questions are outside of any of our complete comprehension. imo

Some of it will be about sub judice, the right to a fair trial.

There seems to be no absolute answer. The judge either issues a suppression order when a pedo abuses a child - to protect the child - or they don't. But I have provided what I can find.

The media already can't do anything to identify a child - in any situation - without the relevant authority's permission. That stands regardless.

And historical cases stand outside these rules, as the victims are now adults. We see historical cases in our media very frequently. Cardinal George Pell being a recent example. Full slather by the media, from go to whoa.
Bill Spedding was treated the same way. George Pell's reputation would have been hurt, whether convicted or not. Bill Spedding, the same.
Some historical cases gain convictions, some don't. Historical cases are notoriously difficult to prosecute, but the prosecutors often try anyway - if they feel there is enough evidence. No pedo deserves to go free.

 

[Wexford]

Small rural towns in close proximity to a Correctional Facility seem to have a high number of paedofiles living there ... trying to hide when they are released .., they don’t tend to go too far from the prison to settle as they only have limited financial resources.... small rural towns usually have lower living costs .... Kempsey Correctional Facility is only 50mins from Kendall itself ... this has been my professional experience ... MOO

Especially if they have to check into a Corrections Office on a regular basis. Usually other services to support those who have been released like Salvos too.

 

[Blues Clues]

Small rural towns in close proximity to a Correctional Facility seem to have a high number of paedofiles living there ... trying to hide when they are released .., they don’t tend to go too far from the prison to settle as they only have limited financial resources.... small rural towns usually have lower living costs .... Kempsey Correctional Facility is only 50mins from Kendall itself ... this has been my professional experience ... MOO

SLou TH Are CSO's sent to Kempsey or do they all end up being sent to Cessnock CC as they have a specialised unit with rehabilitation programs.
This would concur with your knowledge of paedophiles living close to the Correctional Centre as the Hunter has a very high rate of RSO's.

Sex offenders unit at Cessnock gaol

230 paedophiles and child sex offenders in the Hunter

We need to keep an eye on ‘these grubs’: PANSW

 

[Blues Clues]

RC has described a woman with a 3-4yr old boy in a spiderman suit. Sub-consciously I think we prefer to hear this as opposed to the thought of William being taken by the likes of FA, RD or TJ for instance.

This blog post by Sydney Criminal Lawyers gives some insight into female child sex offenders. The examples refer to teenage victims, it's not clear from the blog if pre-pubescent children are more or less likely to be victims of female sex offenders.

It also has a clear description of the difference between a paedophile and a child sex offender which I found helpful.

Female Child Sex Offenders: More Common Than You Think!

 

[SLouTh]

SLou TH Are CSO's sent to Kempsey or do they all end up being sent to Cessnock CC as they have a specialised unit with rehabilitation programs.
This would concur with your knowledge of paedophiles living close to the Correctional Centre as the Hunter has a very high rate of RSO's in NSW.

Sex offenders unit at Cessnock gaol

230 paedophiles and child sex offenders in the Hunter

We need to keep an eye on ‘these grubs’: PANSW

I think from most facilities.,,, so double the usual number..,,in area with 2 correctional centers ....
The Paedophile’s are “well protected “ in prison , and are usually housed together on the inside as well.
Inside, they rate the lowest of the low ... known as spiders ..,,,

where as the most highly rated are the murderers.... there is usually a “top dog” personality in jail ... usually a murderer ...,

 

[JWSleuth]

SLou TH Are CSO's sent to Kempsey or do they all end up being sent to Cessnock CC as they have a specialised unit with rehabilitation programs.
This would concur with your knowledge of paedophiles living close to the Correctional Centre as the Hunter has a very high rate of RSO's.

Sex offenders unit at Cessnock gaol

230 paedophiles and child sex offenders in the Hunter

We need to keep an eye on ‘these grubs’: PANSW

These are disturbing figures... a quarter of "known" offenders residing in the northern region - seems like our regional areas need more police support and to be considered a state issue.. my assumption is there would be police based in accordance with population rather than stats...