Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #55

[Deleted member 102539]

Didn't they find the well dressed man, spoke with him, and said he wasn't involved? Pretty sure there is a link about it way back in the threads.

I think the man was with his wife IIRC.

I seem missing it, can't remember, certainly not a wife in his accompaniment. But thank you!

 

[SouthAussie]

I seem missing it, can't remember, certainly not a wife in his accompaniment. But thank you!

No worries. I didn't mean the wife went into the shop to ask for directions with the well dressed man. But I believe it was mentioned that his wife was with him that day ... perhaps waiting in the car.

Was it mentioned in a podcast? I wish I could remember. Where's soso? Soso is always so good with remembering these links.

 

[purpleandgreen]

No worries. I didn't mean the wife went into the shop to ask for directions with the well dressed man. But I believe it was mentioned that his wife was with him that day ... perhaps waiting in the car.

Was it mentioned in a podcast? I wish I could remember. Where's soso? Soso is always so good with remembering these links.

Yes, please come back, soso. We all miss you terribly.

 

[Blues Clues]

all I can say is ‘something was missed by someone’ ... be that a witness or one charged with extricating every bit of potentially useful information from those along the way.....
Otherwise there would be answers... all just my opinion.

JMO

The media reporting being so focussed on BS as the main POI for years gave many the impression the task force had their man and just needed the evidence. Did that cause a holdback on tipoffs and witness accounts unrelated to BS early on?

 

[SLouTh]

Hi JLZ .. for sure any number of people have same types, models, colours etc of cars, but there seems commonality in this enquiry:
White - Stationwagon or Ute
Grey - Sedan - dark grey, green-grey (depending on ‘light’ IMO could be easily describing the same colour)
Blue - Subaru x 2 perhaps. Did FA travel to Tamworth in a blue Subaru ?
I believe Kellie Lee (who’s parents lived near Mr Chapman & who’s little boy had a Spider-Man suit) drove a blue Subaru

Red / shades of - seen at ..? Was it the sawmill & elsewhere ..

And then there’s all the Cast ....I get lost with who said, did, to who & what, was where & when etc!
I can only imagine the convoluted ‘mapping’ on the Investigators’ Whiteboard!

Just praying for their Guidance & Success.

Agree @Warshawski with your sentiments ...

With the White Station Wagons - how many are we up to now??
Is it 5 or more? as in, "mentions of same" ...

• The one seen by FM on Benaroon Drive
• Ray Porter's White Station Wagon
• The one seen on Henry Kendall Reserve that morning
• The one owned by Jones' wife - the Camry ...
• the old white station wagon at the Log Dump at Logan's Crossing (Abbott - Jones Evidence)

Are there any more that anyone can re-call??


And how many White Ute's are we up to?

• 2 owned by "Protected Witness"
• the one that had run into the "Stop" Sign

I think there are many more, just trying to remember them all ... Can you please add to the list if you can recall more please?

Did G Owen have a white ute?
Was the one we that seen speeding away from Kendall Area, white??

 

[Tinker Taylor]

I started to do a list, but I'm not sure it's complete. Anyway, here it is:


1. Fosters – Land rover discovery.

2. Foster Mother – Vehicles seen across the road: “Off white station wagon, tinted windows, dirty with damaged paintwork, boxy back, short front end, no hubcaps.” Maybe a Camry.

“Grey sedan, tinted windows, no hubcaps” Maybe a BA Falcon or a VN Commodore.

3. Vehicle seen driving past 48 Benaroon: “Dark Green/Grey Sedan; black plastic louvre, bronze centred wheels, tinted windows. Maybe a Ford LTD or a Holden Commodore, dark teal green almost grey, metallic paint.

4. FGM owned a dark grey Mazda.

5. Tim Palmer told of conversation with Michael McInally: “McInally said he saw a white commodore driving crazily down Batar creek rd. Man had right hand on steering wheel and was pushing something down with his left hand into the foot well.

6. Ronald Chapman: “Saw two cars seemingly being driven together down Laurel St. One an old fawn Toyota Land cruiser and an iridescent blue Ford sedan, six cylinder, tinted windows.”

7. Danny and Kathy Connell (Ronald Chapman’s nephew and wife): Old white ute crashed into sign.

8. Bill Spedding: 1999 Maroon Ford Fairlane

9. Unknown resident @ #38: Old white Toyota sedan

10. Paul & Heather Savage: maroon Ford Falcon & Silver Mitsubishi Pajero

11. Gregory Newton (Heather Savage’s brother): Dark Grey Isuzu utility

12. Tony Jones: white ute Ford courier that he resprayed blue: sometimes drove a white Toyota Camry station wagon (jones denies this).

13. Anonymous witness: a white ute belonging to ray porter? that Frank Abbott sometimes drove. Also owned a white station wagon that resembled the car FM saw according to Danny Parish.

14. Kendall store owner: well dressed man who asked for directions to Benaroon dr driving a grey station wagon.

15. Tony Bickford : Drove a white holden Commodore.

16. Elizabeth Rowley (antique shop owner) said Abbott came to her shop to sell her things on one occasion driving a “white station wagon”.

17. Frank Abbott: told inquest he went to a log dump and saw two men in a “white station wagon” who had a young boy with them. One he said was Jones this was around July 2015 (Jones denied).

 

[SLouTh]

I started to do a list, but I'm not sure it's complete. Anyway, here it is:


1. Fosters – Land rover discovery.

2. Foster Mother – Vehicles seen across the road: “Off white station wagon, tinted windows, dirty with damaged paintwork, boxy back, short front end, no hubcaps.” Maybe a Camry.

“Grey sedan, tinted windows, no hubcaps” Maybe a BA Falcon or a VN Commodore.

3. Vehicle seen driving past 48 Benaroon: “Dark Green/Grey Sedan; black plastic louvre, bronze centred wheels, tinted windows. Maybe a Ford LTD or a Holden Commodore, dark teal green almost grey, metallic paint.

4. FGM owned a dark grey Mazda.

5. Tim Palmer told of conversation with Michael McInally: “McInally said he saw a white commodore driving crazily down Batar creek rd. Man had right hand on steering wheel and was pushing something down with his left hand into the foot well.

6. Ronald Chapman: “Saw two cars seemingly being driven together down Laurel St. One an old fawn Toyota Land cruiser and an iridescent blue Ford sedan, six cylinder, tinted windows.”

7. Danny and Kathy Connell (Ronald Chapman’s nephew and wife): Old white ute crashed into sign.

8. Bill Spedding: 1999 Maroon Ford Fairlane

9. Unknown resident @ #38: Old white Toyota sedan

10. Paul & Heather Savage: maroon Ford Falcon & Silver Mitsubishi Pajero

11. Gregory Newton (Heather Savage’s brother): Dark Grey Isuzu utility

12. Tony Jones: white ute Ford courier that he resprayed blue: sometimes drove a white Toyota Camry station wagon (jones denies this).

13. Anonymous witness: a white ute belonging to ray porter? that Frank Abbott sometimes drove. Also owned a white station wagon that resembled the car FM saw according to Danny Parish.

14. Kendall store owner: well dressed man who asked for directions to Benaroon dr driving a grey station wagon.

15. Tony Bickford : Drove a white holden Commodore.

16. Elizabeth Rowley (antique shop owner) said Abbott came to her shop to sell her things on one occasion driving a “white station wagon”.

17. Frank Abbott: told inquest he went to a log dump and saw two men in a “white station wagon” who had a young boy with them. One he said was Jones this was around July 2015 (Jones denied).

Thanks @Tinker Taylor a great list......!!!!!

 

[SouthAussie]

I started to do a list, but I'm not sure it's complete. Anyway, here it is:


1. Fosters – Land rover discovery.

2. Foster Mother – Vehicles seen across the road: “Off white station wagon, tinted windows, dirty with damaged paintwork, boxy back, short front end, no hubcaps.” Maybe a Camry.

“Grey sedan, tinted windows, no hubcaps” Maybe a BA Falcon or a VN Commodore.

3. Vehicle seen driving past 48 Benaroon: “Dark Green/Grey Sedan; black plastic louvre, bronze centred wheels, tinted windows. Maybe a Ford LTD or a Holden Commodore, dark teal green almost grey, metallic paint.

4. FGM owned a dark grey Mazda.

5. Tim Palmer told of conversation with Michael McInally: “McInally said he saw a white commodore driving crazily down Batar creek rd. Man had right hand on steering wheel and was pushing something down with his left hand into the foot well.

6. Ronald Chapman: “Saw two cars seemingly being driven together down Laurel St. One an old fawn Toyota Land cruiser and an iridescent blue Ford sedan, six cylinder, tinted windows.”

7. Danny and Kathy Connell (Ronald Chapman’s nephew and wife): Old white ute crashed into sign.

8. Bill Spedding: 1999 Maroon Ford Fairlane

9. Unknown resident @ #38: Old white Toyota sedan

10. Paul & Heather Savage: maroon Ford Falcon & Silver Mitsubishi Pajero

11. Gregory Newton (Heather Savage’s brother): Dark Grey Isuzu utility

12. Tony Jones: white ute Ford courier that he resprayed blue: sometimes drove a white Toyota Camry station wagon (jones denies this).

13. Anonymous witness: a white ute belonging to ray porter? that Frank Abbott sometimes drove. Also owned a white station wagon that resembled the car FM saw according to Danny Parish.

14. Kendall store owner: well dressed man who asked for directions to Benaroon dr driving a grey station wagon.

15. Tony Bickford : Drove a white holden Commodore.

16. Elizabeth Rowley (antique shop owner) said Abbott came to her shop to sell her things on one occasion driving a “white station wagon”.

17. Frank Abbott: told inquest he went to a log dump and saw two men in a “white station wagon” who had a young boy with them. One he said was Jones this was around July 2015 (Jones denied).

I just want to mention again that on 26 Feb 2014 the creepy house across the road from FGM had a white station wagon (I think) parked at the house.



Source: Google Earth

 

[they'll get you]

This car was captured on the street during a simple real estate shot.

https://www.realestate.com.au/property/48-benaroon-dr-kendall-nsw-2439

 

[SouthAussie]

As well, still back on 26 Feb 2014, there was a white car parked just past Ellendale Crescent on Benaroon Drive ... seemingly not belonging to any house at all - considering that they all have plenty of room in their driveways and front yards.

And another white vehicle parked in front of the house, just off the road, on the other side of the creepy house.



Source: Google Earth

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I started to do a list, but I'm not sure it's complete. Anyway, here it is:


1. Fosters – Land rover discovery.

2. Foster Mother – Vehicles seen across the road: “Off white station wagon, tinted windows, dirty with damaged paintwork, boxy back, short front end, no hubcaps.” Maybe a Camry.

“Grey sedan, tinted windows, no hubcaps” Maybe a BA Falcon or a VN Commodore.

3. Vehicle seen driving past 48 Benaroon: “Dark Green/Grey Sedan; black plastic louvre, bronze centred wheels, tinted windows. Maybe a Ford LTD or a Holden Commodore, dark teal green almost grey, metallic paint.

4. FGM owned a dark grey Mazda.

5. Tim Palmer told of conversation with Michael McInally: “McInally said he saw a white commodore driving crazily down Batar creek rd. Man had right hand on steering wheel and was pushing something down with his left hand into the foot well.

6. Ronald Chapman: “Saw two cars seemingly being driven together down Laurel St. One an old fawn Toyota Land cruiser and an iridescent blue Ford sedan, six cylinder, tinted windows.”

7. Danny and Kathy Connell (Ronald Chapman’s nephew and wife): Old white ute crashed into sign.

8. Bill Spedding: 1999 Maroon Ford Fairlane

9. Unknown resident @ #38: Old white Toyota sedan

10. Paul & Heather Savage: maroon Ford Falcon & Silver Mitsubishi Pajero

11. Gregory Newton (Heather Savage’s brother): Dark Grey Isuzu utility

12. Tony Jones: white ute Ford courier that he resprayed blue: sometimes drove a white Toyota Camry station wagon (jones denies this).

13. Anonymous witness: a white ute belonging to ray porter? that Frank Abbott sometimes drove. Also owned a white station wagon that resembled the car FM saw according to Danny Parish.

14. Kendall store owner: well dressed man who asked for directions to Benaroon dr driving a grey station wagon.

15. Tony Bickford : Drove a white holden Commodore.

16. Elizabeth Rowley (antique shop owner) said Abbott came to her shop to sell her things on one occasion driving a “white station wagon”.

17. Frank Abbott: told inquest he went to a log dump and saw two men in a “white station wagon” who had a young boy with them. One he said was Jones this was around July 2015 (Jones denied).

Thank you very much for your listing!!

Please, change Nr. 15 "Tony" Bickford to "Paul".
What car was DN driving? Did we ever hear of it? Did we hear at all about him (inquest)??? I'm missing him as a person of some interest and pedo, living even at Kendall at the time, afaik.

I don't understand, how FP's car could have been confounded with PS's cars. Someone said, little W may have thought, his dad was returning, but perhaps it would have been PS instead.

 

[bearbear]

I started to do a list, but I'm not sure it's complete. Anyway, here it is:


1. Fosters – Land rover discovery.

2. Foster Mother – Vehicles seen across the road: “Off white station wagon, tinted windows, dirty with damaged paintwork, boxy back, short front end, no hubcaps.” Maybe a Camry.

“Grey sedan, tinted windows, no hubcaps” Maybe a BA Falcon or a VN Commodore.

3. Vehicle seen driving past 48 Benaroon: “Dark Green/Grey Sedan; black plastic louvre, bronze centred wheels, tinted windows. Maybe a Ford LTD or a Holden Commodore, dark teal green almost grey, metallic paint.

4. FGM owned a dark grey Mazda.

5. Tim Palmer told of conversation with Michael McInally: “McInally said he saw a white commodore driving crazily down Batar creek rd. Man had right hand on steering wheel and was pushing something down with his left hand into the foot well.

6. Ronald Chapman: “Saw two cars seemingly being driven together down Laurel St. One an old fawn Toyota Land cruiser and an iridescent blue Ford sedan, six cylinder, tinted windows.”

7. Danny and Kathy Connell (Ronald Chapman’s nephew and wife): Old white ute crashed into sign.

8. Bill Spedding: 1999 Maroon Ford Fairlane

9. Unknown resident @ #38: Old white Toyota sedan

10. Paul & Heather Savage: maroon Ford Falcon & Silver Mitsubishi Pajero

11. Gregory Newton (Heather Savage’s brother): Dark Grey Isuzu utility

12. Tony Jones: white ute Ford courier that he resprayed blue: sometimes drove a white Toyota Camry station wagon (jones denies this).

13. Anonymous witness: a white ute belonging to ray porter? that Frank Abbott sometimes drove. Also owned a white station wagon that resembled the car FM saw according to Danny Parish.

14. Kendall store owner: well dressed man who asked for directions to Benaroon dr driving a grey station wagon.

15. Tony Bickford : Drove a white holden Commodore.

16. Elizabeth Rowley (antique shop owner) said Abbott came to her shop to sell her things on one occasion driving a “white station wagon”.

17. Frank Abbott: told inquest he went to a log dump and saw two men in a “white station wagon” who had a young boy with them. One he said was Jones this was around July 2015 (Jones denied).

paul savage also witnessed an unfamiliar vehicle outside fgms house, possibly a nissan patrol?


"It had a roar and sounded like it was revving."

Mr Craddock asked Mr Savage if he could confirm the information in his statement that he saw a dull red coloured Nissan patrol wagon entering the fire trail at the end of Benaroon Drive. Mr Savage confirmed it was.

Mr Craddock also questioned Mr Savage about another car he had seen in the driveway of William's foster grandmother's house on September 11.
Neighbour asked what he saw on day William Tyrrell vanished

 

[SLouTh]

paul savage also witnessed an unfamiliar vehicle outside fgms house, possibly a nissan patrol?


"It had a roar and sounded like it was revving."

Mr Craddock asked Mr Savage if he could confirm the information in his statement that he saw a dull red coloured Nissan patrol wagon entering the fire trail at the end of Benaroon Drive. Mr Savage confirmed it was.

Mr Craddock also questioned Mr Savage about another car he had seen in the driveway of William's foster grandmother's house on September 11.
Neighbour asked what he saw on day William Tyrrell vanished

Good pick up Bear... I had totally forgotten about that!
And wasn't there the Camry - Blue / Green that DP said needed a respray???

 

[drsleuth]

I've been working on making a list of all the cars mentioned so far at the inquest , when I'm done will post here.

O/T

A new podcast is being released by The Australian & by Hedley Thomas ( who made The Teachers Pet ) called The Night Driver about Janine Vaughan.

This case has been one of the most frustrating ones I have followed ( missing evidence, destroyed evidence, police investigating police, Police Integrity Commission Inquiry etc)

Janine's thread is here Australia - Australia - Janine Vaughan, 31, Bathurst, NSW, 7 December 2001

 

[Blues Clues]

I started to do a list, but I'm not sure it's complete. Anyway, here it is:


1. Fosters – Land rover discovery.

2. Foster Mother – Vehicles seen across the road: “Off white station wagon, tinted windows, dirty with damaged paintwork, boxy back, short front end, no hubcaps.” Maybe a Camry.

“Grey sedan, tinted windows, no hubcaps” Maybe a BA Falcon or a VN Commodore.

3. Vehicle seen driving past 48 Benaroon: “Dark Green/Grey Sedan; black plastic louvre, bronze centred wheels, tinted windows. Maybe a Ford LTD or a Holden Commodore, dark teal green almost grey, metallic paint.

4. FGM owned a dark grey Mazda.

5. Tim Palmer told of conversation with Michael McInally: “McInally said he saw a white commodore driving crazily down Batar creek rd. Man had right hand on steering wheel and was pushing something down with his left hand into the foot well.

6. Ronald Chapman: “Saw two cars seemingly being driven together down Laurel St. One an old fawn Toyota Land cruiser and an iridescent blue Ford sedan, six cylinder, tinted windows.”

7. Danny and Kathy Connell (Ronald Chapman’s nephew and wife): Old white ute crashed into sign.

8. Bill Spedding: 1999 Maroon Ford Fairlane

9. Unknown resident @ #38: Old white Toyota sedan

10. Paul & Heather Savage: maroon Ford Falcon & Silver Mitsubishi Pajero

11. Gregory Newton (Heather Savage’s brother): Dark Grey Isuzu utility

12. Tony Jones: white ute Ford courier that he resprayed blue: sometimes drove a white Toyota Camry station wagon (jones denies this).

13. Anonymous witness: a white ute belonging to ray porter? that Frank Abbott sometimes drove. Also owned a white station wagon that resembled the car FM saw according to Danny Parish.

14. Kendall store owner: well dressed man who asked for directions to Benaroon dr driving a grey station wagon.

15. Tony Bickford : Drove a white holden Commodore.

16. Elizabeth Rowley (antique shop owner) said Abbott came to her shop to sell her things on one occasion driving a “white station wagon”.

17. Frank Abbott: told inquest he went to a log dump and saw two men in a “white station wagon” who had a young boy with them. One he said was Jones this was around July 2015 (Jones denied).

16. from ER's evidence. Abbott came to her shop 6-8 times, she described the car as a white ford station wagon, boxy shape and said FA was the passenger. Also had seen him in a white utility.

 

[interested64]

16. from ER's evidence. Abbott came to her shop 6-8 times, she described the car as a white ford station wagon, boxy shape and said FA was the passenger. Also had seen him in a white utility.

Im not 100% but didnt Paul Bickfords son have a similar Grey sedan and the mystery car that sounded like the posty

 

[interested64]

paul savage also witnessed an unfamiliar vehicle outside fgms house, possibly a nissan patrol?

I think that was the sister or sister in law ?
"It had a roar and sounded like it was revving."

Mr Craddock asked Mr Savage if he could confirm the information in his statement that he saw a dull red coloured Nissan patrol wagon entering the fire trail at the end of Benaroon Drive. Mr Savage confirmed it was.

Mr Craddock also questioned Mr Savage about another car he had seen in the driveway of William's foster grandmother's house on September 11.
Neighbour asked what he saw on day William Tyrrell vanished

 

[interested64]

Thank you very much for your listing!!

Please, change Nr. 15 "Tony" Bickford to "Paul".
What car was DN driving? Did we ever hear of it? Did we hear at all about him (inquest)??? I'm missing him as a person of some interest and pedo, living even at Kendall at the time, afaik.

I don't understand, how FP's car could have been confounded with PS's cars. Someone said, little W may have thought, his dad was returning, but perhaps it would have been PS instead.

I think Williams sister may have mentioned that he ran towards daddys car,not sure but someone will remember correctly....this has always baffled me

 

[SouthAussie]

I think Williams sister may have mentioned that he ran towards daddys car,not sure but someone will remember correctly....this has always baffled me

Yes, it was William's sister who said that. Because we were all surprised as it had been said that she saw nothing. Even though many of us thought she must have seen something and was being protected.

Who else's vehicle could have looked like daddy's? Savage's is the only one I can think of.

 

[stormbird]

I think Williams sister may have mentioned that he ran towards daddys car,not sure but someone will remember correctly....this has always baffled me

Yes, it was William's sister who said that. Because we were all surprised as it had been said that she saw nothing. Even though many of us thought she must have seen something and was being protected.

Who else's vehicle could have looked like daddy's? Savage's is the only one I can think of.

Caroline Overington's book includes a few pages about Lindsay's police interview. I'm posting an edited quote: I had to snip for length, which made it harder to understand who is talking, so I added names at the start of each line and turned it into a script format. My notes are in [< brackets > ]

The book doesn't explain whether it's quoting Lindsay's words exactly, and it doesn't identify the locations or directions she talks about. ("Missing William Tyrrell", 2020, pp.82-6 in the paperback)

The interview was conducted by Detective Senior Constable Debra Nelson on Monday 15 Sep 2014, witnessed by Senior Constable Wendy Hudson.

"Lindsay led police toward the back deck, where she had been doing her drawing, and where her foster mum and her foster nana had been sitting having their tea.
<snip>
Lindsay: Um, William was playing on the balcony [meaning the small back deck] and then he went off and he was finding Daddy's car.
<snip>
Nelson: Oh, okay. And you said that he went off to find Daddy's car? How do you know he went off to find Daddy's car?
Lindsay: Because ... I don't know.
Nelson: Oh, you don't know? Where would he go when he went to find Daddy's car? Can you show me?
Lindsay: Down here.
Nelson: Down here? And Lindsay, when he went, when William went to find Daddy's car, where were you?
Lindsay: Here.
Nelson: Could you show me where?
Lindsay: Here.
Nelson: Was anyone else here?
Lindsay: Mummy and Nana.
<snip>
Nelson: A tiger. Can you show me how he was playing like a tiger?
Lindsay: Um, he kneels down on the ground and he said, roar.
Nelson: Okay. And then he went around there ... do you know why he went around there?
(No audible reply is recorded.)
Nelson: You don't know?
Lindsay: No.
Nelson: Okay, all right. Well, that's all I wanted to know ... what happened after he went around there and Mum and Nana were there?
Lindsay: I don't know.
<snip>
Nelson: No. Okay. Listen, Lindsay, has William ever gone to look for Daddy before?
Lindsay: I don't know.
Nelson: <snip> Does William go and look for Daddy when you live at that house there [meaning their own house]?
Lindsay: Yes.
Nelson: He does?
Lindsay: Yes.
Nelson: What does he do when he goes to look for Daddy there?
Lindsay: He just stays at the house.
Nelson: He stays at the house. Now, this is Nana's house, isn't it? Has William ever gone to look for Daddy when you've been here at Nana's house? You're shaking your head, no?
Lindsay: No."