Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #60

[Random-me]

I am still confused about the laws about questioning minors in disappearances. I am correct in thinking the courts would frown upon it, could be seen as underhanded ?coercing ? (if that is the right word)Even with an advocate present ? So LE don't do interviews with minors ? Apologies, sometimes it takes me a while to wrap my head around things.

They interviewed the sister, it was on the update of CO podcast.

 

[JoeDetective]

Shocking to me that Professionals involved in the case are coming out to defend the FFC. Surely police would not have made the declarations they have about her being a “person of interest” in this case if they were not sure of her involvement.
So puzzling. Why are they doubling down on defending her??

Some people in the media have a track record of making emotional conclusions, not objective conclusions.
They need to be very careful in their positions to be objective and not mislead people with their personal biases based on previous life experiences. I am yet to see anything at all that rules the foster mother out as a suspect.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It was said that the FGM was reading the local paper, possibly the weekly free one that is delivered, or in some places you need to pick it up from the outlets that have them.

We have two free local papers where I live, one is delivered weekly, the other is available at a few places around town.

Seems odd the FGM is reading the news paper same time the FF is out buying a news paper

 

[they'll get you]

I just read NSWPOL conclude the case of missing 'AJ' was misadventure.
Depending on the outcome of this investigation, will the coroner come to the same conclusion for WT except, he wasn't found alive nor his remains uncovered.
JMO

This post made my eyes sting.

 

[Trmtrm2]

It was said that the FGM was reading the local paper, possibly the weekly free one that is delivered, or in some places you need to pick it up from the outlets that have them.

We have two free local papers where I live, one is delivered weekly, the other is available at a few places around town.

Wonder what date the weekly news paper comes out as she seem so interested in the news paper as if its just come out, as she has the daughter, granddaughter and grandson there but her face is in the news paper, she hadn't seen them since February but is reading the news paper, I would of thought it was the daily news paper the way she was reading it, not the weekly news paper unless it was just out that day, so are we assuming the FF was getting the Sydney newspaper

 

[mussopossum]

This may be a genuinely stupid question.

Don't Strike forces generally only look after and charge when it involves that actual case? IE the alleged assault charges on another child in foster carers care. It wasn't William, I would have thought that any information received would have been turned over to other officers outside Strike Force Rosan to interview, lay charges, organize AVO etc. Have I been watching too many crime shows?

Detectives from Strike Force Rosann charge 56-year-old woman and 54-year-old man with assault of a child, which according to reports is not William

William Tyrrell: police strike force investigating disappearance charge man and woman with assault of a child

 

[JoeDetective]

I’m no expert in human behaviour, but I’ve been involved in criminal law long enough to have a bit of an understanding of motive.

None of this really makes sense to me either. I just can’t understand how the prime suspect has been sitting under the noses of police this whole time. It’s not normal that a person could be interrogated by police over and over again and not give up any inconsistency altogether.

IF the FM is involved, the only theory I think that makes any sense is that there was an accident, a panicked coverup by one person, non disclosure to ANYONE (except maybe the FD who witnessed) and then sheer dumb luck that the initial investigation pursued other leads and lost valuable evidence.

and IF that’s the case (very big IF) then there must have been some sort of psychopathy that enabled her to believe her own story so that her story became her truth.

That’s just my theory.

The motive is quite clear, as foster parents they almost certainly lose custody of the daughter if WT dies via an unsupervised accident in their care.

There are substantial inconsistencies in her story but if you had discounted her as a suspect you would likely write it off as nothing.

 

[Random-me]

This may be a genuinely stupid question.

Don't Strike forces generally only look after and charge when it involves that actual case? IE the alleged assault charges on another child in foster carers care. It wasn't William, I would have thought that any information received would have been turned over to other officers outside Strike Force Rosan to interview, lay charges, organize AVO etc. Have I been watching too many crime shows?

Detectives from Strike Force Rosann charge 56-year-old woman and 54-year-old man with assault of a child, which according to reports is not William

William Tyrrell: police strike force investigating disappearance charge man and woman with assault of a child

Didn't they say it came about as part of the investigation, that may be why ‍

 

[drsleuth]

LE interviewed the 4 year old foster sister at the property on the 15th September.

In the interview, she said; "..William was playing on the balcony and then he went off and he was finding Daddy's car." according to CO's book.

Yep & she went on to clarify that the balcony was the deck

"A tiger. Can you show me where he was playing like a tiger?'

"okay "

Lindsay led police toward the back deck, where she had been doing her drawing, and where her foster mum and her foster nana had been sitting having their tea.

" He was playing there on the balcony" she said , meaning the small deck

"okay....do you remember I said this camera would love....come over here, with me. Do you remember I said the camera would love to hear your voice?"

"yes"

"what did you just say?"

"um, William was playing on the balcony and then he went off and he was finding Daddy's car"

"oh, so he was playing on the balcony....what's that called there?" Detective Nelson said, pointing toward the small back deck.

" The balcony"

Extract from Missing William Tyrrell by Caroline Overington page 82, chapter 4

 

[Monsoon]

If I’m incorrect let me know but is the creek they’re searching the one beside Cob and Co Road?
If so it’s about a 20 minute walk from Benaroon Drive or a 3 minute drive.
PS knows the bush tracks very well. Could be bush tracks behind his home leading to that area.
No one would ever know if he was not required to
access a known street or road to get there.

One search place is the junction of Cobb and Co Road, and Batar Creek Road. Here's an image: https://twitter.com/KellyFedor/status/1461193676147683329.

The tree at the right in this picture is distinctive, with a V shape and a twig sticking out. You can see this tree on google maps street view just at this turn off (just past the riding school).

 

[PinkPower]

This may be a genuinely stupid question.

Don't Strike forces generally only look after and charge when it involves that actual case? IE the alleged assault charges on another child in foster carers care. It wasn't William, I would have thought that any information received would have been turned over to other officers outside Strike Force Rosan to interview, lay charges, organize AVO etc. Have I been watching too many crime shows?

Detectives from Strike Force Rosann charge 56-year-old woman and 54-year-old man with assault of a child, which according to reports is not William

William Tyrrell: police strike force investigating disappearance charge man and woman with assault of a child

It's not typical that a homicide detective working on the case would take out the AVO.

Somebody proposed a theory in this thread about how they think that the LE had the FF under surveillance, heard evidence of abuse, had to act and remove the foster child, AVO, charge them and then had to quickly carry out the police searches at the property because their surveillance was blown.

IMO, it's a very plausible theory.

 

[Trivento]

OK PS's timeline

o6:00/06:30 walk for approx hrs
08:00/08:30 home from walk
09:02 makes phone call Casino hospital
After 09:02 tea & toast sat out on front porch & heard sound of children playing, didn't see them
09:00- 09:45 helped HS clean kitchen
10:35 looked at watch thought HS was going to be late for bingo ( started @ 11am )
10: 37 -10:38 HS left. PS walked her out to the car ( didn't hear any noise from # 48 Benaroon )
Went back inside, had radio on
10:41 phone call to xray place
10:50 AMS knocked on door while PS was boiling the kettle & getting ready for tea & toast # 2. William missing from # 48
PS went to see FGM ( up the road & thru the carport to the back verandah & spoke to FGM ) Didn't hear anyone calling out William's name.
Saw MFC in house crying ( was in statement but couldn't remember this at the inquest )
PS said FFC went down hill to AMS.
PS went to the Miller's first & searched( knew they were away )
Mr Craddock said that the Crabs didn't remember speaking to PS, he said he did
After MIllers went up the fire trail & searched 30-45 minutes
Shown a video re-enactment that started @ 10:55
Got back 11:30 -11:45
11:45: 12:00 cup of tea

Probably just coincidence...but I see the place "Casino" mentioned in this timeline...
"Casino" is also area talked about in recent CO doc.(7news) where RP was alleged to have driven to on 13th with friend ( FA ? ) and " boy off the telly"..

 

[PrimeSuspect]

One thing that im not sure if was discussed is the news paper
-FGM seen in last photo reading a news paper
-FF is out buying a news paper

Hav the police document what news paper the FGM was reading and what news paper the FF was buying

Seems odd the FGM is reading the news paper same time the FF is out buying a news paper

Iirc, she was reading the local free paper. Jmo

 

[drsleuth]

Probably just coincidence...but I see the place "Casino" mentioned in this timeline...
"Casino" is also area talked about in recent CO doc.(7news) where RP was alleged to have driven to on 13th with friend ( FA ? ) and " boy off the telly"..

His brother was in Casino hospital & he was leaving that day ( 11am ) to go pick him up & stay with him for a week

 

[they'll get you]

One thing that im not sure if was discussed is the news paper
-FGM seen in last photo reading a news paper
-FF is out buying a news paper

Hav the police document what news paper the FGM was reading and what news paper the FF was buying

Seems odd the FGM is reading the news paper same time the FF is out buying a news paper

It’s easy to search for this yourself.



This paper has a colourful front page and internal pages. It could be one of those local papers.


Remember FGM was involved with the local newspaper before she retired. Both her and her husband were involved with gardens iirc.

New photos of William Tyrrell released five years after disappearance

 

[Strangeworld]

Probably not. As long as the bios, fosters, and children are not named publicly it's likely all they are concerned with. It is the media who likely will have to answer to any deformation if they report things incorrectly.

'It has touched everyone's hearts': More than 200 possible sightings of CS reported to police
They do sometimes - as the investigation into CS progressed, the Det Supt leading the search released this:
He reiterated that CS's parents are not suspects and have been fully cooperating with police.

IMO if they are confident someone isn't a suspect they would just say that. Given some of the headlines, I can't imagine them letting the foster parents experience that if they weren't still on the investigative radar. And the nature of the investigation including locations being searched suggests strongly they are still on the radar.

 

[mussopossum]

Didn't they say it came about as part of the investigation, that may be why ‍

Yep, but a lot of things come about and come up as part of the investigation. The reason I am curious is more so: Is/was it a part of the case". Is the strike force looking more into the bruising seen on William in photos or from his Bio mum's concerns she raised? Has the foster child now raised other incidents that may have happened? I know nothing about this side of Strike forces. All what-ifs, no speculation.

 

[drsleuth]

Iirc, she was reading the local free paper. Jmo

Correct. The MFC had picked her up another paper on his way home

 

[Trivento]

His brother was in Casino hospital & he was leaving that day ( 11am ) to go pick him up & stay with him for a week

Thanks ...interesting...so at least two planned or actual (allegedly) trips between Kendall and Casino areas around time in question..from different parties that have been mentioned in this case....could be nothing of course..

 

[mussopossum]

'It has touched everyone's hearts': More than 200 possible sightings of CS reported to police
They do sometimes - as the investigation into CS progressed, the Det Supt leading the search released this:
He reiterated that CS's parents are not suspects and have been fully cooperating with police.

IMO if they are confident someone isn't a suspect they would just say that. Given some of the headlines, I can't imagine them letting the foster parents experience that if they weren't still on the investigative radar. And the nature of the investigation including locations being searched suggests strongly they are still on the radar.

Yes some of the headlines have been pretty brutal. You are right though. What a turn in events it has been.