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deugirtni said:
You may have noticed that it wasn't LE who told us that BS said he was at the cafe, or at the school in the first place, so why would people think that LE would open up their case notes to confirm or deny that he was in either of those places? If a person, for whatever reason, becomes a POI in a given case, how can LE clear that person from being a POI until such time as they arrest a suspect and know what happened? He will unfortunately for him, remain a POI until the case is solved, and at that time he'll either be 'cleared' as being a POI or he'll become a suspect and an accused. BS is not the only POI in this case.
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Agree deugirtni
It was not LE who told the media BS was in the cafe with his wife.

It was Mr Colin Youngberry (his friend) he said that at the "crucial time" BS and MS were having coffees at the Buzz Cafe and then went across the road to the school for the presentation.

He than goes on to say that investigators were not aware of this detail before they questioned BS this week.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...liam-disappeared/story-e6frg6nf-1227193861228

This week being the week that BS home and office were raided.

As BS had been interviewed by LE soon after William disappeared - it just seems that one of the first questions that would have been asked was where were you at that "crucial time" on the 12 Sept? What's your alibi?

Mr Spedding himself - would not go into any specifics about where he was that day or any of the timeline surrounding where he was at the exact time William disappeared.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-s...f-toddler-william-tyrell-20150123-12wpef.html

Does anyone else work at the office?
 
sosocurious said:
Agree deugirtni
It was not LE who told the media BS was in the cafe with his wife.

It was Mr Colin Youngberry (his friend) he said that at the "crucial time" BS and MS were having coffees at the Buzz Cafe and then went across the road to the school for the presentation.

He than goes on to say that investigators were not aware of this detail before they questioned BS this week.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...liam-disappeared/story-e6frg6nf-1227193861228

This week being the week that BS home and office were raided.

As BS had been interviewed by LE soon after William disappeared - it just seems that one of the first questions that would have been asked was where were you at that "crucial time" on the 12 Sept? What's your alibi?

Mr Spedding himself - would not go into any specifics about where he was that day or any of the timeline surrounding where he was at the exact time William disappeared.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-s...f-toddler-william-tyrell-20150123-12wpef.html

Does anyone else work at the office?
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Interesting. That article you linked has his mate Colin saying ….. It could take up to a fortnight for forensic analysis to come back and clear Mr Spedding of any involvement, he said: “That is a long time to be kept hanging.”

And yet Spedding hasn’t been cleared yet. And it has been well over a fortnight since the various items were taken for forensic analysis.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...liam-disappeared/story-e6frg6nf-1227193861228
 
sosocurious said:
Agree deugirtni
It was not LE who told the media BS was in the cafe with his wife.

It was Mr Colin Youngberry (his friend) he said that at the "crucial time" BS and MS were having coffees at the Buzz Cafe and then went across the road to the school for the presentation.

He than goes on to say that investigators were not aware of this detail before they questioned BS this week.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...liam-disappeared/story-e6frg6nf-1227193861228

This week being the week that BS home and office were raided.

As BS had been interviewed by LE soon after William disappeared - it just seems that one of the first questions that would have been asked was where were you at that "crucial time" on the 12 Sept? What's your alibi?

Mr Spedding himself - would not go into any specifics about where he was that day or any of the timeline surrounding where he was at the exact time William disappeared.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-s...f-toddler-william-tyrell-20150123-12wpef.html

Does anyone else work at the office?
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I had never thought about that before. It's ridiculous. How could police not be aware of those things when BS had already done a 10 page interview with them not long after William went missing?

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news...aring-family-man/story-fnpn118l-1227193777963



Also, this article lays out the alibi more clearly:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-search-abducted-toddler-William-Tyrell.html

* BS started the day at his office in Laurieton, initially called the grandma to make the appointment.

* He then went to the cafe, school presentation and then Dunbogan for a job and tried ringing grandma again.



A thought: wouldn't the police have checked out his alibi after they first interviewed him, while it was still fresh in people's minds whether they saw him that day? I really hope they didn't leave it months to question the cafe, school, Dunbogan etc.
 
^ And I wonder how long ago police checked out his story? Just before the raids or back in September?
I wonder if those inconsistencies were enough to get a search warrant, or if they had to wait longer to get more evidence for the warrant? Could be that they were questioning residents hard, to get more evidence re what they may have seen.
 
Been on holiday, has something happened? Seems there are hundreds of posts about Spedding?
 
Thank you, Angeline. I think they'd just announced they were searching nearby scrubland last time I checked in. So the focus seems to be back on old Bill then, surely the police must have good reason for this. Will read up a bit more!
 
I think if the police had anything of substance on Spedding he would be in jail by now. Either Spedding didn't do it and someone else is the main focus or the police believe he did do it but can't pin it to him.
 
His whitegoods repair van was seen parked in the quiet Kendall street alongside those belonging to police and emergency workers involved in the investigation in the days after William disappeared on Friday, September 12 last year.

We have seen that the white goods van had been reported on as early as the 18th of September.

Police had taken a statement from Mr Spedding, along with dozens of locals, soon after William’s disappearance as part of their investigation.

A person is not required to give a statement and when giving the first statement BS probably only included the things he thought would help find WT. I know I would't say anything other then I came to the house on the 8th, I got the part on the 11th, on the 12th I returned a call and I drove to xyz for a job. Anything in between would seem trivial.

Mr Spedding had been initially interviewed by FACS workers on December 9 last year in an inquiry separate to the Tyrell case.

The mother who wants her child back said she was informed by FACs in December it was investigating Mr Spedding but would not tell her why.

Was this before or after the December 9th inteview? Before or after the call to crimestoppers?

Following a call from CrimeStoppers, the homicide squad turned their attention on Mr Spedding in mid-*December without knowing about the December 9 FACS inquiry.

Homicide was reported to taking over the case on the 21st of December.

Mr Spedding has co-operated with police, being interviewed twice and providing a DNA sample.

Seeing you must take part in an interview, I take this to mean he answered the questions and didn't just reply no comment

Mr Spedding took part in a 10-page recorded interview with detectives soon after little William l went missing on the day the tradesman was due to fix the toddler’s grandmother’s washing machine.

I think where they say soon after in this report may be a miss report. He didn't attend the police station until January.



http://www.criminal-lawyers.com.au/police
http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news...aring-family-man/story-fnpn118l-1227193777963
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...l-speddings-care/story-fnpn118l-1227198878302
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...de-investigation/story-fnpn118l-1227163020421
 
IN the days after little *William Tyrell went missing, there was barely a person in the Kendall area who was not spoken to by police

There were the 21 neighbours in the exclusive estate. There were locals, shopkeepers, indeed everyone who had any contact with the boy’s family — including tradesman William Harrie Spedding, *better known as Bill

The Homicide Squad took over the investigation and *detectives with Strike Force Rosann have been painstakingly ploughing through all those hundreds of statements as well as calls to Crime Stoppers.

Among those statements was the one from Mr Spedding....


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r-william-tyrell/story-fni0cx12-1227195546202
 
Cafe manager Lisa, who did not wish to give her last name, said she recognised Mr Spedding and his wife but said they hadn't come into the cafe 'in a while'.

'A while' - from when to when? I went into my local coffee shop and the said are you hiding from us it has been a while since we saw you, I was in there two weeks ago.

People say about Laurieton being a small town but from memory it is a holiday location with non-locals passing through all the time. Sometimes all the faces blend into one another and you don't bother remembering.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ted-toddler-William-Tyrell.html#ixzz3TeoFuJ65
 
Rissa1978 said:
Cafe manager Lisa, who did not wish to give her last name, said she recognised Mr Spedding and his wife but said they hadn't come into the cafe 'in a while'.

'A while' - from when to when? I went into my local coffee shop and the said are you hiding from us it has been a while since we saw you, I was in there two weeks ago.

People say about Laurieton being a small town but from memory it is a holiday location with non-locals passing through all the time. Sometimes all the faces blend into one another and you don't bother remembering.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ted-toddler-William-Tyrell.html#ixzz3TeoFuJ65
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Police have no doubt taken that into consideration in their inquiries. Not everybody remembers everything. They know that imo.

But, perhaps, looking at the totality of the information - the phone calls that are not in the log (and grandma perhaps says did not happen), the café visit that is not recalled by anyone else, the school assembly that perhaps no-one remembers seeing Spedding at (seeing that he was asking for someone to look at their pics and see if he was in them) - perhaps that is what is all adding up as suspicious to police.

Perhaps they just cannot confirm him at any of the places he said he was that morning, or doing any of the things he said he did at that time.
 
So do we have some locals here that can explain set up of Cafe Buzz.

Do they have outside tables and chairs?

Does only one person work there?

It is possible that both BS and MS were at the cafe and BS went unnoticed.

*Cafe being busy at the time
* Someone served BS or MS rather than Lisa
* MS purchased the coffee's rather than BS and was waiting at a table

Then to the school assembly. I've attended many for my kid's and I can't recall every person that was there.

So just because people are saying they hadn't seen him, doesn't mean he wasn't there
 
For anyone who is interested, here is what it takes (at the link) to get a search warrant. The magistrate has to consider many aspects when authorising a search warrant.

- the legislation
- the sanctity of a person’s property and the decision to issue a search warrant should not be taken lightly, however, it also must be balanced with the relevance to the issue
- the rights of the citizen who is not before him in a proceeding that cuts across the ancient principle that a person's home is inviolable
- the issuing of a warrant must be done on reasonable grounds because a person’s home and property should be free from intrusion
- a search warrant must contain sufficient particulars so an officer, as well as a citizen, is able to consider whether particular things have relevance
- set bounds to the area of search which the execution of the warrant will involve, as part of an investigation into a suspected crime
- the offence must be fairly stated in the warrant
- search and seizure beyond finding the necessary and authorised “things”, was not lawful

http://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/4497/what-the-police-need-to-do-if-they-want-to-obtain-.aspx
 
SD - if you view the cafe's Facebook page there are quite a few photos. Turns out it's for sale too. Around November 24 there is a photo of chairs and tables outside - and you can see Laurieton school directly across from it.

Capricorn Meadow - I noticed the media had gone quiet too. It was plastered all over the media during the days of the search... then nothing (except for the ABC program last night.)
 
spiritualdreaming said:
So do we have some locals here that can explain set up of Cafe Buzz.

Do they have outside tables and chairs?

Does only one person work there?

It is possible that both BS and MS were at the cafe and BS went unnoticed.

*Cafe being busy at the time
* Someone served BS or MS rather than Lisa
* MS purchased the coffee's rather than BS and was waiting at a table

Then to the school assembly. I've attended many for my kid's and I can't recall every person that was there.

So just because people are saying they hadn't seen him, doesn't mean he wasn't there
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I wonder with the BS's office being just around the corner and the children''s school being across the road if popping in for coffees was something BS and MS did frequently.

17 April 2014
Even if you only go in during the holidays.
The owner a lady, has an amazing way of remembering you.

http://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Resta...n-Laurieton_Camden_Haven_New_South_Wales.html
 
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