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If Police have now thrown out the timeline on the morning of Williams disappearance, then the drive(s) that the Foster Father took that morning would also have provided opportunities to dispose of “things”.
One of the paywalled articles reported that it was only the FM Timeline that had gaps and movements in it, for that fateful morning …. and that those Timeline Gaps also support their case ….

While other sources state the entire timeline, as previously discussed ….

Paraphrased from here:

 
Here’s some timeline notes I took from the foster nannas walkthrough, foster fathers walkthrough and the 60 minutes interview. All my own interpretation from those sources. MOO
I can’t work out if the ff spent 90 minutes in the area searching prior to police arriving or after they’d arrived…
I also can’t work out when tree climbing was…


WILLIAM Woke around 5:50

Restless sleeper

TOLD Don’t wake up Nanna

Watch cartoon on foster dads phone

Wakes up foster nanna

Plays with toys in cupboard

Kids fighting over toy
Breakfast at 8am

Foster Dad gone to get tablets by 8 (not there for breakfast)

Foster Nanna did dishes- meanwhile foster mum played mummy monster- chasing and roaring, then all out on the patio

An hour on the patio, throwing dice, colouring (stayed on patio for the hour after breakfast from 8:30-9:30) foster nanna video

Climb tree (1 hour b4 disappearance) -60 minutes INTERVIEW

Played Daddy tiger

Jumped off patio

Went around to right

Can you see daddy’s car?

Then no sound (10:30 ish)

Between four and 5 minutes later her daughter disappeared after william (foster nannas account)

Foster nanna met neighbour () when couldn’t find daughter…

Foster mum then appears and declares she has to call police

Foster Dad arrives home already distraught -joins search -foster Mum says : he was here 5 minutes ago

Dad searches for 90 minutes in the area of the house and walking track looking for a shoe or William -when arrived back saw fm searching in area between house and neighbours. No one else around her. When he went down to road, saw others who’d come out because they could hear him calling and foster mum had been across street.

Cop sees mum in street searching (Chris)

All Searching house

Dad was distraught

Vanessa partridge felt William was not missing from the beginning

Sources:



Eta: Video: Foster father describes moments before William's disappearance | Daily Mail Online
 
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I also have a bit of a scratch head moment with the MFC walkthrough with the Policeman where he says upon arriving back from his work business calls etc he pointed in the direction of the verandah and implied they were all sitting there and they asked him if W was with him.

And he said a few times they replied "he was just here a few minutes ago".

I am perplexed if they included all 3 FFC, Foster Grandmother and L or just Foster Grandmother and L.

If if was just Foster Grandmother and L was FFC driving towards the riding school at this point and not there???

It doesn't really make sense if the 3 were sitting there on the back verandah when he got back - I feel it's unclear to me. MOO
 

The coronial inquest investigating the disappearance of William Tyrrell has released video of the boy's distraught foster father walking police investigators around the property where he vanished.

The foster father, who cannot be named for legal reasons, had just returned home from a meeting via Skype on September 12, 2014, when his wife asked him 'words to effect of "is William with me?"'

The dad 'was taken aback - "why would he be with me? MOO
 

4.10.

MFC says "I saw her on the phone (FFC) I think she said should I call the police, I said call the police.

They established 10-15 minutes had passed since he had arrived home and started looking.

So if the FFC came towards him at that point with a phone while he was still outside looking (he said she was on the phone- maybe he got that mixed up)- is that mobile or home phone??

Did the call to police come from home phone. How far can the reception go on those things 2014?? outside not sure. Maybe not relevant. MOO
 
So if the FFC came towards him at that point with a phone while he was still outside looking (he said she was on the phone- maybe he got that mixed up)- is that mobile or home phone??
It was a cordless phone, landline.









Letisha Marambio

@LetishaMarambio

Foster mum emotional says after a quick search she decided she had to call police “I went inside and grabbed the cordless phone and I stood in exactly the same spot where I couldn’t see him and I just made that call.”
@10NewsFirstSyd

@10Daily


9:29 am · 26 Mar 2019
 
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Burtrito that's a jam packed itinerary thank you for collating that so far. Also needs to Include bike riding by the 2 grandchildren on driveway, and also a drive down the road by FFC to the riding school area and back. MOO
Where do they fit in? Is bike riding pre breakfast? I need to find the sources to add accordingly. I will look at COs book later as it has lots of detail Re morning. Unless there’s a better source?
 
we are trying to align events and timelines to fit but it may be futile, as apart from phone pings and cctv footage, and a few neighbours recall, everything we know about that morning is the foster parents narrative of events, so not necessarily factual
 
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I also have a bit of a scratch head moment with the MFC walkthrough with the Policeman where he says upon arriving back from his work business calls etc he pointed in the direction of the verandah and implied they were all sitting there and they asked him if W was with him.

And he said a few times they replied "he was just here a few minutes ago".

I am perplexed if they included all 3 FFC, Foster Grandmother and L or just Foster Grandmother and L.

If if was just Foster Grandmother and L was FFC driving towards the riding school at this point and not there???

It doesn't really make sense if the 3 were sitting there on the back verandah when he got back - I feel it's unclear to me. MOO
A few threads back ……

When looking at this information along with the timeline … and the drive..

(Based on the theory of the drive being before the the FF returned home)

Some posters did come to the conclusion IIRC that it was possible that FF was the first one the FM told that William was missing ….

Not all posters are in agreement about the time of the drive, nor that this is what happened …

I hope that makes sense as it is complex to explain …. And all IMO
 
Where do they fit in? Is bike riding pre breakfast? I need to find the sources to add accordingly. I will look at COs book later as it has lots of detail Re morning. Unless there’s a better source?
There is a timeline somewhere that has all of the times included from the Inquest ….

Someone good at searching like @SouthAussie may be able to link it ??? Or @drsleuth who posted the last draft I think ???
 
View attachment 431986
This is the other one ….

Yes, that one is the initial search map.

The one MrsG posted is from the search in June 2018. It says so in the text on the right of the map.

(Just checked my William Tyrrell file, and that is how they are marked.)

The Riding for Disabled School area was searched in both searches.

Initial Search Map
- white arrows show the direction of the line searches, and names of the searchers are annotated for each group
Initial search map with names and arrows.jpg

June 2018 Search Map
- done over 4 weeks
Police search map.JPG
 
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Where do they fit in? Is bike riding pre breakfast? I need to find the sources to add accordingly. I will look at COs book later as it has lots of detail Re morning. Unless there’s a better source?
Over the years there have been lots of different versions of times etc reported …. And it is all very frustrating …

For example:

That Daily Mail article you linked above states

WILLIAM Woke around 5:50

The first line of Chapter 1 in CO ‘s Book states the sun rise was about 05:52am that morning, and that William slept an hour post that time….. making his waking time to be approx 06:50am …

Missing William Tyrrell, Chapter One, by Caroline Overington .
 
Yes, that one is the initial search map.

The one MrsG posted is from the search in June 2018. It says so in the text on the right of the map.

(Just check my William Tyrrell file, and that is how they are marked.)

Initial Search Map
- white arrows show the direction of the line searches, and names of the searchers are annotated for each group
View attachment 431995

June 2018 Search Map
- done over 4 weeks
View attachment 431996
SA can you remember where the first map was originally published??? My version is not terribly clear on the wording …. But it may just be my eyes ??
I just seem to remember that we could read it more clearly…????
TIA
 
i went back to pages from a link in past few pages to view what was being said by WS members back then re all this yesterday ...I will go back again but does anyone remember who FM told " that he either hit his head and cant hear me or someone has taken him " so many details like this he wouldnt even climb a tree, being reckless crashing into the garden , the scratch on her hand, the telling him to go look for Daddys car , a tactic i used with my son to distract him from naughty behavior and possible that was said several times. so many things have always been an issue for me so I can understand investigators who know more than me are and have been questioning all this ...IMO I wish she sounded more convincing in her interviews etc
 
SA can you remember where the first map was originally published??? My version is not terribly clear on the wording …. But it may just be my eyes ??
I just seem to remember that we could read it more clearly…????
TIA

I will try to find where it was published a bit later, and post it if I can find it.

The people who searched the RDA area on the first day were SC Rowley, Sgt (?Henderson?), Constable Walker, SC Williams - from what I can tell at the moment.
 
I have posted these details - which were compiled by DrSleuth :FFeb 28, 2020
Here is my attempt at a Timeline

Taken from evidence I heard, & some from CO's book <modsnip>

Friday 12 the September 2014

06:30
ish : PS goes for his walk

06:00 - 07:00 : kids wake up

07:00 - 07:30 : FFC opens curtains & sees 2 cars between # 31 ( AMS ) & #35 ( Peter's ) houses

07:30 : breakfast & dress etc

08:10 : AMS waves her kids of to school who are at the bus stop on crn Benaroon & Batar Ck Rd. She is standing at her carport.

08:40 : AMS reverses out to take her child to pre-school. Arrives at 9am. Saw no cars parked on the street.

08:40 : MFC leaves for Lakewood( from CO book suggested he left around 08:40 by CCTV @ the tennis club )

08:55 - 09:00 : MFC leaves Benaroon drive ( evidence from inquest evidence )

08:50 : PS back from his walk, he stopped for approx 30mins to talk to lady named "Lyn" -the lady from the caravan

09:02 : PS calls Casino hospital where his brother is ( call lasts 22 seconds )


09:03 : FFC calls Bill Spedding from FGM's landline, leaves a message. Call lasted 38 seconds

09:05 – 10:00 ish : ( most of this is from the CO book )FFC gave no direct times in her evidence also

*FFC took WT for walk around garden (Lindsay was inside with FGM),

*were playing “Mummy Monsters” FFC spotted good climbing tree, tried to get WT to climb tree, he was not interested “No mummy, too high”

* FFC noticed 2 cars she saw earlier. FFC sipped & grazed hand.

* FFC said at the inquest they were playing for “ around 5 minutes”

* Went inside to tend to hand, Lindsay asked what they had been doing, she than wanted to play “Mummy monsters” so they all went out again to play.

* Both kids collected leaves & twigs for cards they intended to make for “ Opa’s” grave

* Worked on cards for a while ( I think this might have been when the photos were taken @ 09:37) & than FGM said “ Okay , let’s see your new bikes”

* Both kids raced to carport ( MFC had taken bikes out of car the evening before )

* Kids rode up & down the driveway , only going as far as the road & not over the kerb.

* After a few laps WT suggested they have a race . so they did & took off to the end of the driveway. Lindsay stopped in the middle of the driveway & said “whose that car Mummy?” , FFC looked & saw dark green -grey sedan pull into the Millers driveway & reverse out & leave, she said “ I don’t know , probably the neighbours”

* Kids were than back riding theie bikes , Lindsay lost her balance coming down the driveway & fell into the garden, she was not hurt, WT than decided he would crash his bike into the garden also.

* FGM than said “I think it’s time to put these bikes away”

09:10 : GO calls FGM house ( from CO book )


09:30 - 09:35 : Crabbs arrive home @ 51 Benaroon Drive, did not see any cars on street. Went to toilet, made cup of teaa & sat on back deck.

09:37 : Photos taken on back deck of FGM

09:42 : MS & BS pay for coffees etc @ Buzz Café

09:45 - 09:45 : Mr Crabb hears a car turn around, sounds like posties ( from the inquest ) about 10 mins after getting home

09:59 – 10:07 : PS call Casino hospital, call lasts 8 minutes


10:10 – 10:05 : Mrs Crabb hears car sitting on back deck , about 40mins ( Mr Crabb said 10 mins ) after arriving home , thought “ sounded like the postman, car came up reasonably fast , did a u-turn & continued on it’s way” ( from her evidence )

10:00 -10:30ish :

FGM put kettle on ( after being outside with the kids riding the bikes ) ( from CO book )

Kids had now moved to the back deck , after teas made both FFC & FGM sat outside on deck.

Lindsay emptied the pencil container, & a dice rolled out, played dice game where Lindsay would jump the amount of times that the dice landed on.

WT came over & played as well, he soon got bored & than decided to play another game “ Daddy Tiger” , he pretended to be Daddy Tiger , he crawled around on the ground for a bit , playing at being a Tiger, He was running around roaring , in his Velcro sandals & spiderman suit .

He asked Lindsay if she wanted to play too, but she was concentrating on making her card, so William carried on without her , jumping of the deck , roaring & coming back again. He jumped of the deck , ran around the side of the house roared…………….than silence

10:30-10:56 : FFC ran to AMS’s house, asked if saw little boy in spiderman suit? , AMS said no, suggested bus stop on Crn Benaroon Drive & Batar Creek Rd, FFC ran to bus stop , heard the “scream” , ran back to # 48 Benaroon Drive, got in FGM car & drove looking for WT, drove down Batar Ck Rd, thought he could not have gotten that far, went back to FGM house, ran inside & got her mobile phone, saw message from MFC, she ran out to driveway , just as MFC drove in & asked him “ Have you got William?” “ No , why would I have William?” . I can’t find him the FFC said. MFC took off frantically looking for William.


10:05 - 10:15 : Detective Laura Beacroft thinks this time could be when WT went missing

10:10 - 10:15 : Laidlaw thinks this could be the time WT went missing

10:19 : MFC has script filled at chemist

10:20 : PS & MS left café to walk across to school

10:00 - 11:00 : Geoff Owen at Kendall Community centre paying for his advertising

10: 30 : MFC sent text, be back 5 minutes using Siri function on his phone.

10:30 : FFC noticed all quite, can see WT, can't hear WT, starts looking for him

10:35 : MFC arrives back in Benaroon Drive, meets FFC in driveway asks “ have you go

10:35 - 10:45 : Lydene Heslop arrives home from grocery shopping. Saw man on mower, saw no cars

10:37 - 10:38 : Heather Savage leaves for bingo

10:40 : AMS outside in carport having a cigarette, FFC comes to her fence. AMS could hear male voice loudly calling for William in the background coming from behind FGM's house.

10:41 : PS calls x-ray place ( short call )


10:45 : Ron Chapman looks at his clock on the wall, it's 10:45, he than sees the 2 cars

10:50 : AMS knocks on PS door, PS leaves to start searching.

10:56 : FFC calls 000 from FGM's landline standing outside, says she has been looking for William for about 15 or 20 minutes.

11:00 : Snr Sgt Chris Rowley see's the job

11:00 ish : Mrs Crabb said FFC & MFC came up their driveway extremely distressed ( CO book ) The asked me “ Have you seen a little boy in a spiderman suit?” MFC looked around their backyard. Crabbs had a quick look in their garden before hurrying out in their car & drove to a property who they knew had a pool ( they knew a child who had drowned ) , banged on front door, no-one home. Searched pool.

Than went to the Miller’s ( they were collecting mail & putting bins out etc whilst the Miller’s were away) They did not have a key for the Miller’s, knew a relative & drove to get key, went back to Miller parked in their driveway & watched police enter the house. William was not there. BY now people were everywhere calling out his name.

11:06 : Snr Sgt Chris Rowley arrives @ Benaroon Drive

11:30 ish : Inspector Aldridge arrives

11:30 - 11:45 : PS back from search

12:19 : Parts delivered to BS house for FGM washing machine ( other parts delivered Thus 11/11/14 )

12:30
: Snr Cnt Tim Williams arrives ( Land & Search Co-Ordinator )

"lunchtime" : Paul Berg arrives ( SES )

12:45 : Snr Cnt Wendy Hudson arrives ( was on an ADO ) with her 2 sons

13:00 : Greg & Regina Newton arrive @ PS's ( as per his testimony )

13:15 - 13:30 : GN & RG arrive at PS's ( heard in evidence by Craddock in PS's testimony )

14:26 : PS called FGM house from his mobile

16:36 : PS call to Casino hospital


Feel free to add or correct . It's not complete.......
 
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