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Having WiFi doesn't change anything re antenna activation
The handset will prefer WiFi when available, and fall back on an available cellular data if there is one (depending on settings).
However that does not mean it can initiate a new tower connection if antenna has been switched off.
The whole point of Airplane mode is that apps cannot initiate connections.
The feature would be pointless is unknown apps could switch on your antenna while you in on board a plane for example.
A possible consideration is that if the iPad has its own GPRS - maybe OP tethered via the iPad or Reeva's iPhone hotspot for the cousin Binge chat?
it would be interesting to know if there was a blackspot in the house
Again the problem is that I can believe a blackspot with no data. But I cannot believe a blackspot with not even a voice connection?
At our country place sometimes I lose my data signal on my phone but voice is pretty much always available
I certainly never go dark on the tower for 90mins at a time - whereas I can lose my data connection for 5 or 6 hrs depending on weather
Finally - my layman's understanding is that being "connected to the tower" does not mean any kind of continuous packet transfer
The phone shakes hands with the tower when it arrives in the vicinity so that the tower knows to allocate resources to that phone and the network knows where to look for the phone
After that - periodically they check in with each other, so that the tower can continue to assign resources to the phone.
So Reeva's connection is what we expect to see - relatively continuous for an inactive phone that has been left on. The tower knows the phone is there and continues to assign resource to it until someone turns off the phone.
What causes a phone to disconnect from the towers point of view?
1. The phone disconnects itself from the network and says goodbye to the tower - this tells the tower not to assign resource to the phone. e.g. I turn the phone off, or enter airplane mode.
2. The tower pings the phone and gets no answer - e.g in the countryside I walk into a blackspot with no coverage.
In terms of my limited understanding, cell F47 is only realistically possible if OP has turned off his phone or switched off his antenna.
In which case, F48 is a clear example of switching on the antenna.
App connections is a red herring because if you look at all the data - you actually see activations of many different durations, and completely random gaps between them.
I think there is a real risk of looking at the three 5min connections and saying "they are too similar in duration"
But this risks being a cherry pick.
The phone shakes hands with the tower when it arrives in the vicinity so that the tower knows to allocate resources to that phone and the network knows where to look for the phone
After that - periodically they check in with each other, so that the tower can continue to assign resources to the phone.
So Reeva's connection is what we expect to see - relatively continuous for an inactive phone that has been left on. The tower knows the phone is there and continues to assign resource to it until someone turns off the phone.
What causes a phone to disconnect from the towers point of view?
1. The phone disconnects itself from the network and says goodbye to the tower - this tells the tower not to assign resource to the phone. e.g. I turn the phone off, or enter airplane mode.
2. The tower pings the phone and gets no answer - e.g in the countryside I walk into a blackspot with no coverage.
In terms of my limited understanding, cell F47 is only realistically possible if OP has turned off his phone or switched off his antenna.
In which case, F48 is a clear example of switching on the antenna.
App connections is a red herring because if you look at all the data - you actually see activations of many different durations, and completely random gaps between them.
I think there is a real risk of looking at the three 5min connections and saying "they are too similar in duration"
But this risks being a cherry pick.
I always think the best way to approach these things is to explore the opposite view and assume it to be true. If we assume OP has Wi-Fi but occasionally the Wi-Fi signal in his house is a bit flaky could this explain everything? Forget Airplane mode as this would not be necessary in this scenario.
What doesn't fit?
Reeva obviously doesn't use his Wi-Fi as she has contiguous GPRS connections throughout the day, including when at OP's. It could be that OP hasn't shared his Wi-Fi key with her. Is this likely? If we assume this is the case though is it really that much of a stretch?
More thoughts on Wi-Fi or not.
It would be considered normal for someone of OP's age to have Wi-Fi in his home. He has a number of laptops and Apple devices which would benefit from a connection to the network at speeds higher than 3G cellular data connectivity can offer (e.g. for software updates, transferring larger filesetc.). He probably also has cable TV. This could certainly also deliver broadband. Wi-Fi is then simply the next logical step.
It explains the Binge WhatsApp messages without any corresponding GPRS connectivity between 20:10-20:25. OP can then use WhatsApp on his iPhone (where the app is normally to be found) rather than via some other device for exchanging the messages.
It explains all the lengthy GPRS dips. Looked at the other way round, the GPRS activations are merely dips in his Wi-Fi signal due to the phone moving or just a flaky Wi-Fi signal in the home.
Reeva's phone never connects to Wi-Fi as she has a series of contiguous GPRS signals covering the entire day (except 24 seconds). This could simply be because OP hasn't told her his Wi-Fi key.
When I proposed to Moller that OP might use Airplane mode to become incognito he told me he had forwarded my email to Nel, proposed to discuss it with him, and asked for my early usage tables. Why?
GPRS dips and activations seem to occur at interesting times: off when with Reeva (except occasionally when OP changes / bathes upstairs), on between 22:30 and 01:48 (x3) when Reeva is either downstairs working or asleep, off at 03:22 after Baba calls him back and OP is flustered, on briefly at 03:31 when OP is left alone while Stipp and Carice join in the Netcare call and on briefly at 03:53 when OP goes upstairs for Reeva's bag. Some times are approximate. Does this prove anything either way?
It would be considered normal for someone of OP's age to have Wi-Fi in his home. He has a number of laptops and Apple devices which would benefit from a connection to the network at speeds higher than 3G cellular data connectivity can offer (e.g. for software updates, transferring larger filesetc.). He probably also has cable TV. This could certainly also deliver broadband. Wi-Fi is then simply the next logical step.
It explains the Binge WhatsApp messages without any corresponding GPRS connectivity between 20:10-20:25. OP can then use WhatsApp on his iPhone (where the app is normally to be found) rather than via some other device for exchanging the messages.
It explains all the lengthy GPRS dips. Looked at the other way round, the GPRS activations are merely dips in his Wi-Fi signal due to the phone moving or just a flaky Wi-Fi signal in the home.
Reeva's phone never connects to Wi-Fi as she has a series of contiguous GPRS signals covering the entire day (except 24 seconds). This could simply be because OP hasn't told her his Wi-Fi key.
When I proposed to Moller that OP might use Airplane mode to become incognito he told me he had forwarded my email to Nel, proposed to discuss it with him, and asked for my early usage tables. Why?
GPRS dips and activations seem to occur at interesting times: off when with Reeva (except occasionally when OP changes / bathes upstairs), on between 22:30 and 01:48 (x3) when Reeva is either downstairs working or asleep, off at 03:22 after Baba calls him back and OP is flustered, on briefly at 03:31 when OP is left alone while Stipp and Carice join in the Netcare call and on briefly at 03:53 when OP goes upstairs for Reeva's bag. Some times are approximate. Does this prove anything either way?
OK - but here is the issue.
Personally when I am connected to my home Wifi i leave my cellular data on. My phone prefers the Wifi and i allow it to fall back on 3G if it needs to - so I have continuous coverage,
But let us say I decide to turn off my mobile data because I want to ration my data.
Nevertheless I am still connected to the cell tower for voice and SMS?
So if I want to be using wifi on my handset but not be connected to the tower, I would have to enter airplane mode.
This is why i wonder about the exact meaning of "no network signal"
does it mean "phone not present" or does it mean "no data" but voice and SMS available?
My guess is that OP turns on airplane so that he is not bothered by Chats/SMS/Voice or perhaps even more likely, he did not want to receive that stuff with Reeva there.
It would be fascinating to see his data from an evening when she was not there.
I get what you are saying but it actually does not explain "no network signal"
If you are using internet on your phone via WiFi - your phone is nevertheless connecting to the cell tower for voice, SMS and data (unless you switch data off).
Sorry, the term 'no network signal' was coined by me to mean no GPRS cellular data signal in the cell tower column. I was plotting the GPRS connectivity that Moller showed. That said, there is always a GPRS connection in place spanning the duration of every call that is made as well as at other times when no call is being made. If using Wi-Fi this would not be necessary. Or is it a quirk of the way Vodacom report things? This would be the normal state of affairs if Airplane Mode was being used to drop all signals (to be pedantic it is possible to switch Wi-Fi back on whilst in Airplane Mode).
ETA If it was a quirk, and the GPRS connection is shown from the moment the call is dialling, it still wouldn't explain longer periods such as at 03:54-ish when GPRS stays up for 405 seconds covering a call of 123 seconds.
ETA2 For the sake of clarity I have changed the term 'No network signal' to read 'No GPRS connection'
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Thank you, Mr Fossil!!!!!
When I read your theory, I got goose bumps all over. It is very similar to what I thought happened that night. Sounds like you are in the camp that OP was on his legs both when he used the bat AND when he fired the shots?
Thank you for your brilliant sleuthing, and sharing it with us.
Thank you. It is only a theory. Yes to prostheses on for both. We still have to sort out exactly how he held the gun (both hands seems to be favoured above) and whether this works with prostheses on re. relative heights and angles. Also, the outcome to the discussion regarding Wi-Fi is crucial (we've covered this on here before but it's fundamental to understanding the phone records). The whole speculative narrative crumbles if there's Wi-Fi ... if not, the rest of the hypothesis (my previous speculation about what happens earlier and later in the day) will fall into place.
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Don't take my word for this, but I seem to recall much, much earlier in the thread a discussion about whether Pistorius had a land line and wifi in his house - and some SA contributors suggested that he probably didn't. It is quite normal over there not to, as I understand it because the infrastructure is not always in place.
So my impression has always been that he had no wifi. But, of course, that could be wrong.
Yes, I recall this too. I can certainly believe he didn't have a landline as he's away so much and contacting him on it would be hopeless. He has two mobile phones (business and personal) which suggests this is his preferred method of communication. But did he have cable TV for instance? Perhaps that gave him broadband and, in turn, he had Wi-Fi connected to that? I'm playing devil's advocate here because it's important to resolve this as conclusively as we can if we're to understand the phone usage records correctly.
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I wonder if the alarm system gives us a clue.
Surely that must have some way of sending messages to the security company. Aren't systems linked to phone lines or broadband these days?
(If it sounds like I don't know what I am talking about that's because I don't!)
Surely that must have some way of sending messages to the security company. Aren't systems linked to phone lines or broadband these days?
(If it sounds like I don't know what I am talking about that's because I don't!)
I tend to think he did not have ADSL or cable internet.
That is why Reeva worked on her laptop using her mobile hotspot
Similarly, his iPads probably are 3G iPads
In NZ it is also reasonably common to have mobile internet as often the landline infrastructure is so poor
That is why Reeva worked on her laptop using her mobile hotspot
Similarly, his iPads probably are 3G iPads
In NZ it is also reasonably common to have mobile internet as often the landline infrastructure is so poor
Judi, it is a misprint in the article. Dolus eventualis means legal intention/foresight/indirect intention. It does not mean direct intention. The article goes on to explain on what ground the conviction was overturned: the pair had no foresight of the fatal accident due to being high on drugs. The assertion therefore that the conviction was overturned because they did not have direct intention to harm anybody is simply false.
Other articles have the judgment quoted correctly: In his judgment, Maluleke said: “While it is correct that the role of drugs was clearly established as well as the direct role this played in the conduct of the appellants, this in our view eliminates the conditions of dolus eventualis [legal intention].” http://www.citypress.co.za/news/jub-jub-ruling-appealed/
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Most of my friends and family who live in South Africa do not have WIFI at their homes (either too expensive, or the infrastructure is not in place). They rely on their service providers for data, and data is purchased as you go, not unlimited like we have here in the States. So when you run out of data, you can't do anything until you purchase more.
I don't disagree that this is a possibility but we don't know that, do we?
Agree about the iPads being 3G. Makes sense if he has it with him all day.
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I think you are misinterpreting what Britlaws is saying.
He/she never used the words "direct intent" - merely intent.
Any murder conviction requires intent in some form or another, that's what separates it from negligence.
He/she also didn't say that Masipa made a finding of fact that he didn't intend to harm anybody - just that it hadn't been proven that he had the necessary intent required for eventualis. And that does seem to be what Masipa was trying to say.
He/she did not say that the Jub Jub finding was overturned because the judge didn't find direct intention....merely the necessary intention for eventualis.
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This crime was horrific and inexcusable beyond words; the two men are right to be in prison.
That being said, I totally agree with the judge’s ruling overturning the murder verdict to CH. While both men deliberately chose to consume alcohol and drugs and should pay for that choice, they did not intend to kill four schoolboys and maim two others. IMHO, this is textbook gross criminal negligence.
Firing four Black Talons into a tiny toilet, killing a trapped, defenseless woman / “intruder” is a different story altogether.
Given Masipa’s off the rails, thoroughly irrational verdict, I’d say Oscar’s azz is in serious trouble.
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