AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #4

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i wanna know why salinas didnt wanna get cab from her apt, i wanna know HOW we know that she requested the cab to ampm, which doesnt make sense why she just wouldnt get it to her apt.
i wanna know why she never was seen on surveillance at ampm.
i wanna know the next pickup of the cab, after that. did they get another call? or was that somehow the last call of shift?
 
I don't think her roommates should be blamed for her going back out, when she may have made a point of avoiding them. They likely feel guilt enough anyway.
 
She didn't want the roommates to see her leaving again?

The cab company guy TOLD LE she asked them to pick her up at the AM/PM.

She never made it to the AM/PM?

What other cab companies were spotted in the area that night?

What other cabs were seen on surveillance cams?

EXACTLY WHAT TIME did the cab arrive at the AM/PM? I wish we knew the answer to this question.

Not sleuthing that company. Just trying to get a timeline on where all the players were and when.
 
im gonna go back in the time line again, because im once again confused what the hell led a salinas to leave her car on brown/roosevelt.
the accident happened, and she sped off past 1st street, down ash. from there, she had to go down 5th (or university, but then heading to roosevelt/brown would be even more ridiculous.) on 5th, WHY would she turn onto brown/roosevelt?

<snipped>

i just am going over old old info, and im still not sure that she was alone in that car. nothing makes sense, even 5 wks plus later

RSBM and BBM


Looking at a map - and locals please correct me if I'm wrong - it looks like there is a break in West Brown; this could be confusing for someone trying to find an address if they were on the wrong West Brown.

Perhaps her vehicle was trying to get back to her apartment but the general vacinity was the only option? There could be several theories, the most obvious one is AS trying to get back home with a vehicle that was becoming more disabled with each passing minute and she just didn't make it all the way home.

But what if she wasn't driving? Someone could have known she lived on West Brown but not the exact address, or knew the address but didn't know that West Brown did not run concurrently and was on the wrong West Brown?

If she didn't have her wallet with her, she more than likely wouldn't have anything on her person that said who she was or where she lived but her vehicle registration would render this information assuming it was up to date.

JMO
 
RSBM and BBM


Looking at a map - and locals please correct me if I'm wrong - it looks like there is a break in West Brown; this could be confusing for someone trying to find an address if they were on the wrong West Brown.

Perhaps her vehicle was trying to get back to her apartment but the general vacinity was the only option? There could be several theories, the most obvious one is AS trying to get back home with a vehicle that was becoming more disabled with each passing minute and she just didn't make it all the way home.

But what if she wasn't driving? Someone could have known she lived on West Brown but not the exact address, or knew the address but didn't know that West Brown did not run concurrently and was on the wrong West Brown?

If she didn't have her wallet with her, she more than likely wouldn't have anything on her person that said who she was or where she lived but her vehicle registration would render this information assuming it was up to date.

JMO

Hmmmm....I thought it was found abandoned at 7th st and Roosevelt.

I'm getting SOOO confused!!!
 
RSBM and BBM


Looking at a map - and locals please correct me if I'm wrong - it looks like there is a break in West Brown; this could be confusing for someone trying to find an address if they were on the wrong West Brown.

Perhaps her vehicle was trying to get back to her apartment but the general vacinity was the only option? There could be several theories, the most obvious one is AS trying to get back home with a vehicle that was becoming more disabled with each passing minute and she just didn't make it all the way home.

But what if she wasn't driving? Someone could have known she lived on West Brown but not the exact address, or knew the address but didn't know that West Brown did not run concurrently and was on the wrong West Brown?

If she didn't have her wallet with her, she more than likely wouldn't have anything on her person that said who she was or where she lived but her vehicle registration would render this information assuming it was up to date.

JMO


its kinda how i arrived at theory that a walkway could of been accessed thru brown from roosevelt/brown area to the brown street where she lives. NO street on google maps, but it seems very convincing that a person could make their way between the houses and then thru apts and arrive to her street.

i dont know the relevance of it, thou. she made it back to her apt, dropped stuff off, and changed, by all info we have received. AND THEN, it gets really confusing
 
I don't think her roommates should be blamed for her going back out, when she may have made a point of avoiding them. They likely feel guilt enough anyway.

as much as it pains to say it, IF you have a houseparty and are having drinking going on, and someone does get drunk there, underage, and you were a part of that, you are not in the clear in terms of what happened to them. its responsibilities, all around at that point. i wouldn't call it blame, but that they might feel guilty, thats a good thing. people should step up and take responsibility, and try to hold themselves accountable for the actions' that they can control. was salinas out of the radar in terms of them helping her?
i dont know. they saw her leave for her bfs house, correct? was she intoxicated at that moment?
ive been in near fist-fights trying to get keys out of the hands of people who shouldnt be driving. she went 65mph down salado into a 15mph turn. she obviously wasnt acting rationally. so, im just suggesting that YES the roommates who saw her leave, could of done something different. an argument and fight at that moment, could of prevented what is now unknown. i just mention this, not because of the regrets or what could of been done, but as to speak towards the lack of regard for her safety, and others too. my friend was almost killed by a speeding jerk leaving mill ave on 5th/hardy about 2 years ago. so, its not just her safety, and thats what i speak towards. but thats a whole nother convo, i guess.


IF you have a party going on, and a roommate for some reason not only has to sneak back in but doesnt wanna stay at her own house at 4-5am after an accident, we can at least be suspect as to why she felt uncomfortable in her own apt. did she also argue w roommates? or people at party?
when did the party end?
 
I looked up prostitutes on yelp in Phoenix, and creepy enough came up with this:

http://m.yelp.com/search?find_desc=Prostitutes&find_loc=Phoenix,+AZ

I'm going to read comments now to see where all the users are saying the prostitutes hang out. The first thing pulled up was the circle K on Van Buren.

(as per Margaritas request)

circle k on van buren? what does that have to do w a circle k on university? i mean, john mccain lives in scottsdale, bf lives in scottsdale this might be a case for national security!!!!!

thats why fbi was called obviously.

im kidding around. but seriously, of course there are prositutes on van buren. if u look up apache blvd in tempe, which is much closer, u can find many pros. this is nothing new. what does it have to do with this case?
 
Okay...taking a breather now. Thanks for all the sharing and the caring. I hope goblin is right and something is going to break this week. In the meantime, keep the ideas rolling.

I don't think the roommates are in any way responsible for what happened to Adrienne. I totally think we can rule out the boyfriend and the roommates. And probably anyone else from the party as well.

She was last seen walking down Hardy towards University at 4:30 am.

We know she called a cab at 4:43 am to meet her at the AM/PM.

This fits with the timeline.

(All the other reported times following that kinda don't make any sense to me.)

I'm back to THE GAP! That time that has been so unaccounted for:

The time between 4:43 am when the cab was supposedly to have arrived at the AM/PM to that time when she told the cabbie at 5:06 am "I'll be there in a minute."

What happened between 4:43 am and 5:06 am?

What happened between 4:30 am and 5:06 am? It's only a 5 to 7 minute walk from her apt to the AM/PM. But this is 36 minutes, leaving 28 or so minutes unaccounted for?

If we are to assume she was okay all that time, from 4:30 am to 5:06 am, her last known call, where was she all that time?

Remember...it's only a 5 minute walk!

I think this is important.
 
Adrienne's last clue.

"Okay, I'll be there in a minute."

Could that be what we've been missing? Could that have been a message from Adrienne that she wanted someone else to hear?

I can recall a couple of times in the past when I have pretended to call someone because I was in a situation where I felt threatened.

I've said very similar things, actually, now that I think about it!

hmmmmm.....
 
Adrienne's last clue.

"Okay, I'll be there in a minute."

Could that be what we've been missing? Could that have been a message from Adrienne that she wanted someone else to hear?

I can recall a couple of times in the past when I have pretended to call someone because I was in a situation where I felt threatened.

I've said very similar things, actually, now that I think about it!

hmmmmm.....

Quoting my own post:

Answering my own post:

But what if she really didn't say "I'll be there in a minute?"
 
One more thing!

Why are we so hung up on what we 'have been told' were Adrienne's last words (that we know of)?

Okay that's all. Out for a few hours.

;)
 
Quoting my own post:

Answering my own post:

But what if she really didn't say "I'll be there in a minute?"

i mean, in that one minute her phone went dead?
so strange, she basically called out the time in which her phone would go kaput? whats the odds of that?

...about the same as a woman and a car being in same proximity, as where a car and a woman are supposed to meet on the opposite block. within mins...!?!?

i guess it was just a night of lightning striking the same spot twice, gremlins popping tires on white sedans, etc.... totally no coincedence to any of the facts, none what so ever.
 
Yes Goblin...sorry was still lurking before I logged out when I saw your post. ;)

So very too too coincidental.

Btw, once again, who was it who told us what her last words were?

Never mind.
 
Yes Goblin...sorry was still lurking before I logged out when I saw your post. ;)

So very too too coincidental.

Btw, once again, who was it who told us what her last words were?

Never mind.

occam's razor x 1,000,000!!!!!!

"If a thing can be done adequately by means of one, it is superfluous to do it by means of several; for we observe that nature does not employ two instruments [if] one suffices."[27]
 
Adrienne's last clue.

"Okay, I'll be there in a minute."

Could that be what we've been missing? Could that have been a message from Adrienne that she wanted someone else to hear?

I can recall a couple of times in the past when I have pretended to call someone because I was in a situation where I felt threatened.

I've said very similar things, actually, now that I think about it!

hmmmmm.....

That is an excellent point. I have done the very same thing.

I have a feeling that there may have been more than one person involved in her disappearance. Several younger men (e.g., early twenties or possibly late teens).
 
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